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Creating a bill to give everyone healthcare and keeping momentum for years for when it actually passes: bad Shelving a bill on a Friday night so you can stop any positive change from ever happening and giving up before you even try: good
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:31 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 10:31 |
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The coward Anthony rendon hasn't tweeted anything in days
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:33 |
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Main Paineframe posted:"maybe the billionaire CEO will be leftist and pro-worker" - the suck zone Generally personal wealth has had little to do with where presidents fall on the left/right axis historically. The issue with ZUCK is he's a creepy techlord not that he's rich. This is also why I think the "BUT BERNIE HAS WEALTH????? VACATION HOMES REEEEEEE" poo poo is so loving stupid; FDR/New Deal democrats were not poor.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:35 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:idk how people literally watch the gop try to gut medicaid for millions of people like, this very week, and repeat this dumb poo poo probably because they watched california democrats look at this and decide "better to do nothing"
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:37 |
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Venom Snake posted:Generally personal wealth has had little to do with where presidents fall on the left/right axis historically. The issue with ZUCK is he's a creepy techlord not that he's rich. techlords have a bad record for political beliefs. It's possible he's earnest but such a weirdo it comes off as fake. But that doesn't bode well for his political career
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:39 |
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zegermans posted:I dunno maybe we should be on the side of the folks who don't want thousands more to die agreed, everyone should join the DSA
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:40 |
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things have gotten so stupid taht im all "zuckerberg prez????? why not" at this point
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:40 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:hard to really call it a "massive push" when they never even finished the bill. the never passed the funding mechanism through the senate, which would require a 2/3rds vote. and they didn't bother because the governor would just veto it anyway so why'd they have to kill it prematurely, instead of letting it run its course? if the dems kill a singlepayer bill, in a state they have a supermajority in, it really shows they have no intention whatsoever to pass singlepayer. ever.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:41 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:idk how people literally watch the gop try to gut medicaid for millions of people like, this very week, and repeat this dumb poo poo I believe you'll find plenty of dems that will go along with it, and of course bad dems refusing to support various states single-payer programs using gop arguments. So what is the difference?
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:45 |
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Terror Sweat posted:Creating a bill to give everyone healthcare and keeping momentum for years for when it actually passes: bad I guess you just don't understand how to be wonky and pragmatic. Speaking of, I don't get how "wonk" is still a word people use to describe themselves as if it was a good thing.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:47 |
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I just love me some meaningless nuance that doesn't fix anything rather than actually solving problems.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:47 |
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Condiv posted:so why'd they have to kill it prematurely, instead of letting it run its course? if the dems kill a singlepayer bill, in a state they have a supermajority in, it really shows they have no intention whatsoever to pass singlepayer. ever. the bill essentially died in the senate when they couldn't find enough votes to pass it there with a supermajority, and it had no prospect for passage in the assembly. the governor is a hippy weirdo who believes we should live in tiny wooden huts in a forest to preserve our planet, so he's gonna veto it too. so rendon killed it because he'd rather take all the heat for it dying than subject his members to dealing with a zombie bill.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:48 |
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Al! posted:things have gotten so stupid taht im all "zuckerberg prez????? why not" at this point things are looking great for another Forbes run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:49 |
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Al! posted:things have gotten so stupid taht im all "zuckerberg prez????? why not" at this point al... no...
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:49 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:agreed, everyone should join the DSA I prefer the Socialist Democratic Front of America.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:49 |
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#resist
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:49 |
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When did Jerry Brown become such a neolib poo poo
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:49 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:the bill essentially died in the senate when they couldn't find enough votes to pass it there with a supermajority, and it had no prospect for passage in the assembly. the governor is a hippy weirdo who believes we should live in tiny wooden huts in a forest to preserve our planet, so he's gonna veto it too. so rendon killed it because he'd rather take all the heat for it dying than subject his members to dealing with a zombie bill. so rather than use their votes to do something about the thousands of californians that will die, the democrats did nothing. got it
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:51 |
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https://twitter.com/Integrity_Guy/status/831507995540516865
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:51 |
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I like the part where he goes "I wonder if this is what democracy in ancient Greece was like" In the sense that a bunch of wealthy people made decisions without the input of all the proles, yeah, I guess it's kinda similar.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:51 |
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/878453239254888448
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:52 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:the bill essentially died in the senate when they couldn't find enough votes to pass it there with a supermajority, and it had no prospect for passage in the assembly. the governor is a hippy weirdo who believes we should live in tiny wooden huts in a forest to preserve our planet, so he's gonna veto it too. so rendon killed it because he'd rather take all the heat for it dying than subject his members to dealing with a zombie bill. it passed the senate, it got shelved in the assembly instead of even being debated. i thought you were paid to know this kind of stuff? quote:Although the Senate approved the measure earlier this month on a 23-14 vote and if rendon killed it to take the heat, well i hope he's ready to lose his seat over it. because he deserves to Condiv has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:52 |
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Karl Barks posted:#resist download my brain in2 the matrix and torture my consciousness with specially selected content tailored advertizing 24-7 until the heat death of the universe IDGAF
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:53 |
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finally a place where he can put his talents to use killing cnn
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:54 |
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CNN really is the place where bad campaign managers go to die, isn't it? I'm surprised they haven't given Jeff Weaver a comics roundtable show or something yet.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:54 |
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zegermans posted:When did Jerry Brown become such a neolib poo poo jerry brown is a weirdo who advocated for a balanced budget amendment in 1980. he once had the campaign slogan "protect the earth, serve the people and explore the universe." he campaigned on "democracy with limits." he basically does not fall into any real ideological bucket, he just has some strange esoteric beliefs that inform his beliefs.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:55 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:jerry brown is a weirdo who advocated for a balanced budget amendment in 1980. he once had the campaign slogan "protect the earth, serve the people and explore the universe." he campaigned on "democracy with limits." he basically does not fall into any real ideological bucket, he just has some strange esoteric beliefs that inform his beliefs. or he has no actual beliefs and will say whatever he thinks will get him votes (except if it interferes with him getting bribes!)
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:57 |
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Jazerus posted:who in the gently caress thinks harlan hill represents bernie supporters jfc major news outlets for awhile
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:57 |
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zegermans posted:When did Jerry Brown become such a neolib poo poo He always was The American Prospect posted:
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 17:59 |
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zegermans posted:I dunno maybe we should be on the side of the folks who don't want thousands more to die and pick the fight about the thousands they let die due to single payer opposition for a different time through political activism and replacing of the dem party structure from the ground up with progressives
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:01 |
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If anything Jerry Brown is much better now than he was in his previous incarnations
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:02 |
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dems have a supermajority in the assembly, but somehow they can't scrounge together enough votes to pass a singlepayer bill by a dem governor. this can't be because dems don't want singlepayer! it's just cause we haven't elected enough dems yet!!
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:02 |
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CC thinks this both cool and good
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:03 |
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Condiv posted:it passed the senate, it got shelved in the assembly instead of even being debated. i thought you were paid to know this kind of stuff? you misunderstand. the senate bill passed 23-14. you need 27 votes in the ca senate to pass a tax increase, which would be needed in a single payer bill. so they only passed a skeleton bill without funding mechanisms (which would need a majority). they didn't have the ability to pass the entire bill through the senate. the senate is generally considered easier for single payer than the assembly, so this was a bad sign.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:03 |
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brown is also not trolling for votes because he's term limited and has no chance at the national level
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:04 |
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man it's almost like the senate would have had to vote on it again regardless of what the assembly added or removed
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:04 |
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pass a tax on the rich and bring about a constitutional crisis bing bong
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:04 |
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seriously who cares
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:04 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:you misunderstand. the senate bill passed 23-14. you need 27 votes in the ca senate to pass a tax increase, which would be needed in a single payer bill. so they only passed a skeleton bill without funding mechanisms (which would need a majority). they didn't have the ability to pass the entire bill through the senate. the senate is generally considered easier for single payer than the assembly, so this was a bad sign. they have a supermajority. why can they not pass anything at all? how many more democrats have to be in power before democrats start passing democratic legislation instead of republican legislation and compromises with republicans!? you have trump about to try to inflict insurancelessness on a poo poo ton of people, and instead of california dems shielding their constituents they're sitting with their thumbs up their asses and killing bills prematurely cause they answer to bribes more than they answer to their constituents.
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:04 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:you misunderstand. the senate bill passed 23-14. you need 27 votes in the ca senate to pass a tax increase, which would be needed in a single payer bill. so they only passed a skeleton bill without funding mechanisms (which would need a majority). they didn't have the ability to pass the entire bill through the senate. the senate is generally considered easier for single payer than the assembly, so this was a bad sign. and your analysis of this farce is somehow "democrats actually do care about the general welfare"
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# ? Jun 27, 2017 18:05 |