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I want to replay this game but I also want to play something new instead of replaying the same thing for the third time. Is Pillars of Eternity a close approximation or would I be better off with Icewind Dale? I mostly enjoyed BG1/2 for the story and banter and aesthetic over gameplay, if there's any other suggestions
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Pillars of Eternity owns real hard so you should play it in any case. Icewind Dale is basically if you really love infinity engine combat on its own.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:34
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GorfZaplen posted:I want to replay this game but I also want to play something new instead of replaying the same thing for the third time. Is Pillars of Eternity a close approximation or would I be better off with Icewind Dale? I mostly enjoyed BG1/2 for the story and banter and aesthetic over gameplay, if there's any other suggestions I'd go with PoE if that's the case, the writing in Icewind Dale is pretty good, but there's a lot less of it and no bantering. Also PoE has much more solid mechanics.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:37
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:Lol that was a copy paste off some insane persons reddit thread. Some of the stuff people post on there is only slightly more intelligible than Lum the Mad I saw the post on reddit earlier in the day then read your post and thought I was going crazy. Then I shrugged and said, "that crazy person is a goon I guess."
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Jun 26, 2017 22:41
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GorfZaplen posted:I want to replay this game but I also want to play something new instead of replaying the same thing for the third time. Is Pillars of Eternity a close approximation or would I be better off with Icewind Dale? I mostly enjoyed BG1/2 for the story and banter and aesthetic over gameplay, if there's any other suggestions PoE is most likely a better fit for you.
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Jun 26, 2017 22:41
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Might I suggest Planescape: Torment
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Jun 26, 2017 22:50
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IWD becomes a thousand times more enjoyable if you nab 6 pictures of famous people or friends and give them the most cartoonishly viable voice to go through the game.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:34
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PoE blows but IWD also kind of blows so it's a tricky one. Have you ever fought the NWN2 interface? That's an OK game hamstrung by some bad interface choices.
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Jun 27, 2017 00:09
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Thanks everybody  jBrereton posted:PoE blows but IWD also kind of blows so it's a tricky one. What's wrong with PoE in your opinion? I've tried to get through NWN2 multiple times and I've never gotten past the bandit camp before losing interest
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Jun 27, 2017 00:16
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If you play NWN2 just skip to the Mask of the Betrayer expansion, the base game is real bad.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:34
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I like most of the NWN2 campaign but it takes way too long to get moving. Which, come to think of it, is my main critique of PoE from a story perspective.
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Jun 27, 2017 01:41
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Gobblecoque posted:Pillars of Eternity owns real hard so you should play it in any case. Icewind Dale is basically if you really love infinity engine combat on its own. The hand dungeon is kind of amazing though.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:48
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I think both of the IceWind Dale games are really underrated, yes, there is less (no) NPC banter, but for the most part the game has enough meat to be worth a play through. It is more linear than the others, but I think the story isn't any less bad than the BG games. I also think the art and sound of both IWD games is way better than Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 some of the environments in Icewind Dale are breathtakingly beautiful. Another thing people dismiss is that in Icewind Dale 2 the conversations you do have are surprisingly reactive to things like your character class and race. More so I would say than BG though I don't have any numbers to back it up. If you do enjoy infinity engine games then you will enjoy IWD1 and 2. I don't consider the lack of NPCs to be an issue at all, but that's just me.
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Jun 27, 2017 08:40
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Icewind Dale sounds incredible to me cause the parts of BG I'm enjoying most is developing my team for combat. I feel constrained by the game given some of the wacky stat and proficiency distributions on style charterers. Being able to control everything about my party of six and then taking them on a big dungeon crawl sounds awesome. I think I'm going to buy SOD and IWD before this same concludes.
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Jun 27, 2017 11:13
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What's the best way to play IWD2? Is there at least mods for stuff like high resolution?
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Jun 27, 2017 11:17
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Back in the day I remember really liking Icewind Dale 2 because it used a version of the rules that allowed for greater character customisation (traits and stuff), that Icewind Dale 1 and maybe Baldur's Gate did not. Am I remembering correctly and if-so do the enhanced edition of the older games update the system use or stick with the one they were released with? I'm currently enjoying one of the Shadowrun games (a lot) which is the first game of this style I've played since Divinity, which I bounced off pretty hard because I found it too fiddly, and am thinking of picking up some of the enhanced editions or Pillars of Eternity. But I want traits or something similar! And yeah, if you enjoy creating a party over scripted NPC party members the IWD games are great. I probably spent as long trying to create my perfect party as I did playing the games. Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 11:29
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Gravy Jones posted:Back in the day I remember really liking Icewind Dale 2 because it used a version of the rules that allowed for greater character customisation (traits and stuff), that Icewind Dale 1 and maybe Baldur's Gate did not. Yes, IWD2 uses the 3rd edition rules (like Neverwinter Nights 1&2) while all the other Infinity Engine games use the older 2nd edition. The Enhanced editions do not change this.
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Jun 27, 2017 11:56
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Veib posted:Yes, IWD2 uses the 3rd edition rules (like Neverwinter Nights 1&2) while all the other Infinity Engine games use the older 2nd edition. The Enhanced editions do not change this. Thanks. I might skip them in favour of Pillars of Eternity then. ... which it turns out I already own so hey, that made that decision even easier!
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Jun 27, 2017 12:01
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Veib posted:Yes, IWD2 uses the 3rd edition rules (like Neverwinter Nights 1&2) while all the other Infinity Engine games use the older 2nd edition. The Enhanced editions do not change this. That there is no isometric D&D game that uses 4th edition rules is a travesty. Because regardless of your opinions of it as a tabletop ruleset, it was born to be a video game. (It wouldn't be real time with pause, but I kinda consider that to be a positive)
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Jun 27, 2017 13:24
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D&D's video game rights got kind of screwed up around the time 4th Edition launched, and Hasbro has not been kind to the property since then.
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Jun 27, 2017 13:40
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Gravy Jones posted:Back in the day I remember really liking Icewind Dale 2 because it used a version of the rules that allowed for greater character customisation (traits and stuff), that Icewind Dale 1 and maybe Baldur's Gate did not. The Enhanced Editions of Baldur's Gate 1 and Icewind Dale 1 added the Kits from Baldur's Gate 2, that is you can pick specific specialties within a class as well as pick a wider variety of classes than you could in the vanilla versions of the games. But they're still using the 2nd edition AD&D ruleset. Icewind Dale 2 uses 3rd edition rules where upon level up you choose to gain a level in a class of your choosing and letting you efffectively multiclass. cheesetriangles posted:What's the best way to play IWD2? Is there at least mods for stuff like high resolution? Best way to get it is from GOG. If you're on Windows 10, you'll want to delete the ddraw.dll file in the game installation folder because one of the fixes GOG added to their copy to make it work on Windows 7 is already fixed in Windows 10 but the .dll file messes it up. Then I'd install these in order. 1. Almateria's IWD2 Fixpack (the optional stuff/unfinished business stuff can be safely ignored): http://www.shsforums.net/topic/57384-almaterias-iwd2-fixpack/ 2. Icewind Dale II Tweak Pack (install whatever you wish for convenience): http://www.gibberlings3.net/iwd2tweak/ 3: Widescreen Mod : http://www.gibberlings3.net/widescreen/ 4: Widescreen GUI Mod (The website is in French, but the GUI replacements work on all versions of the game): http://havredest.eklablog.fr/interfaces-pour-widescreen-a42876917 Then you should be good to go.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:The Enhanced Editions of Baldur's Gate 1 and Icewind Dale 1 added the Kits from Baldur's Gate 2, that is you can pick specific specialties within a class as well as pick a wider variety of classes than you could in the vanilla versions of the games. But they're still using the 2nd edition AD&D ruleset. Icewind Dale 2 uses 3rd edition rules where upon level up you choose to gain a level in a class of your choosing and letting you efffectively multiclass. That sounds more interesting and might of been what I was thinking of. Don't really care about editions and don't usually want to multiclass, it was more about customisation on character creation (particularly fighter type characters where that tends to be pretty limited). Thanks.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Best way to get it is from GOG. If you're on Windows 10, you'll want to delete the ddraw.dll file in the game installation folder because one of the fixes GOG added to their copy to make it work on Windows 7 is already fixed in Windows 10 but the .dll file messes it up.
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Wizard Styles posted:Does that fix/avoid the blocky fog of war? If you have that issue, try following this guide from Step 6 onwards. https://zeckul.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/icewind-dale-2-ultimate-installation-guide/ But I haven't come across this issue since switching to Windows 10, so it appears to be fixed there.
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Playing through Icewind Dale and I'm a little confused - aren't long swords always going to be better than bastard swords? I thought I'd found a good bastard sword for my sword and shield guy, THAC0 +2, 2d4 +2 damage, 6 speed. Then I look at the Long Sword + 1 he already has and I see it has 4 speed. Isn't that still going to be the superior option simply because of how much faster it is? I've played through almost every IE game and I still get really confused when comparing weapon types.
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Jun 27, 2017 18:47
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Phlegmish posted:Playing through Icewind Dale and I'm a little confused - aren't long swords always going to be better than bastard swords? I thought I'd found a good bastard sword for my sword and shield guy, THAC0 +2, 2d4 +2 damage, 6 speed. Then I look at the Long Sword + 1 he already has and I see it has 4 speed. Isn't that still going to be the superior option simply because of how much faster it is? Speed Factor determines when the weapon strikes in combat rather than the amount of times the weapon strikes in combat. Your APR is determined by a range of factors. Base APR for every class is 1. Warriors will gain a half attack per round at level 7 and level 13. Haste will give you an extra attack per round. Weapon specialisation (2 pips) will give you a half attack and weapon mastery (5 pips) will give you another half attack. (edit: on a warrior class) So yeah, your bastard sword is much better than that longsword. Entropy238 fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 18:51
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Ohh. That rings a bell, I think I actually figured out how Speed works during my last playthrough of Baldur's Gate, but I completely forgot about it. Thanks, I'm equipping him with the bastard sword. As for 1d8 versus 2d4 - I suppose it boils down to the same thing, except I'm less likely to get extreme results with 2d4 because there are two dice rolls instead of just one?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:02
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Phlegmish posted:Ohh. That rings a bell, I think I actually figured out how Speed works during my last playthrough of Baldur's Gate, but I completely forgot about it. I believe 2d4 is actually better than 1d8 because you add the dice together so it's impossible to roll for less than 2.
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So speed determines when an attack is dealt... So if two dudes are in combat with one another and if Dude A has a faster weapon than Dude B, Dude A's attack happens first? Do I have that straight? What happens in the event of two identical speeds? Which is a faster speed, 4 or 6?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:19
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Dillbag posted:I believe 2d4 is actually better than 1d8 because you add the dice together so it's impossible to roll for less than 2. 2d4 will average higher than 1d8, with both extremes (2 and 8) being considerably less likely.
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Lower number is better, and goes first. If each fighter has a single attack per round (and a round is six seconds) the attacks will occur in increments of 0.6 seconds, so speed factor 4 attacks 2.4 seconds into the rounds and speed factor 6 attacks 1.2 seconds later. I forget how multiple attacks play into this, though. e: Identical speeds means simultaneous attacks.
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Wildtortilla posted:So speed determines when an attack is dealt... So if two dudes are in combat with one another and if Dude A has a faster weapon than Dude B, Dude A's attack happens first? Do I have that straight? What happens in the event of two identical speeds? Which is a faster speed, 4 or 6? No idea what happens when two weapons have the same speed factor. A lower speed factor is better, so in your example the 4 will strike first. Speed factor isn't really something you should worry about though. Everyone in BG's rounds start at different times vis a vis their opponents. I don't even know if mathematically, in the game engine, two people can actually strike at the same time (it'd have to be the same frame maybe?). Someone more experienced with modding may want to answer.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:23
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Only in AD&D could lower speed be faster.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:27
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And lower armor is better. D&D did everything backwards.
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I just realized something - if Speed Factor doesn't really matter, then war hammers are really terrible, right? They just do 1d4 +1 crush damage.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:41
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Deltasquid posted:And lower armor is better. D&D did everything backwards. They didn't go far enough with this, imo. Lower HP should make you more durable. Spell levels should start at 9 and finish at 1. A negative amount of gold should make you a millionaire.
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Phlegmish posted:I just realized something - if Speed Factor doesn't really matter, then war hammers are really terrible, right? They just do 1d4 +1 crush damage. Yes. Except for Hammer of Thunderbolts.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:52
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No dont say this about Warhammers! I'm having fun with a dwarf F/C that's smashing things with some electric Warhammer I found.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:01
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Wildtortilla posted:No dont say this about Warhammers! I'm having fun with a dwarf F/C that's smashing things with some electric Warhammer I found. ChrisBTY posted:Yes.  Also if your strength is high enough (by which I mean 18+) the damage bonus from that will make the damage dice on your weapon matter a lot less. (assuming you're playing one of the 2E games)
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Wildtortilla posted:No dont say this about Warhammers! I'm having fun with a dwarf F/C that's smashing things with some electric Warhammer I found. Look this will all pay off late in BG2.
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