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Venom Snake posted:Generally personal wealth has had little to do with where presidents fall on the left/right axis historically. The issue with ZUCK is he's a creepy techlord not that he's rich. Yeah, you were a dipshit 20-year-old hillary hack, WE KNOW
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mormonpartyboat posted:yeah, no poo poo, most political decisions come with a body count you know what doesn't? passing single payer
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you know what doesn't? passing single payer i can't imagine a less coherent retort, since we're only talking about two different routes to pass single payer and the consequences of each route
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You'd complain how this would never happen if you were a straight white male.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:democrats: we can't pass a bill unless poor people are killed because of it please dont call me a democrat
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mormonpartyboat posted:i can't imagine a less coherent retort, since we're only talking about two different routes to pass single payer and the consequences of each route it's almost like there's going to be a gap between the ACA repeal and November 2018
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i wont object to most anything, but i wont stand for that lol
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Matt Zerella posted:See? There it is. This is the broken brained democrat defending this bullshit. How many times did the republicans attempt to repeal the ACA under Obama's administration knowing he would veto it or it would die in the senate? And look at them now, they're going to do it. It's almost like they...persisted?
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mormonpartyboat posted:i wont object to most anything, but i wont stand for that lol no can do
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it's almost like there's going to be a gap between the ACA repeal and November 2018 yeah, and its almost as if there's a whole lot of things going on in addition to that which might require a supermajority in the statehouse to save lives. who the gently caress knows what trump is going to do between now and the end of his term. who the gently caress knows what the states might have to do to stop it. and on top of that, you don't go all loving in on a single payer system before trumpcare passes, because suddenly you have a giant bright target and the republican consensus to gently caress over california is going to make itself. whoops its january 2019 and congress says if you have a single payer system you dont get any federal health care funding whoops now we need to go back and tweak the taxes again whoops millions of people are going to die because we lost the supermajority to THEY RAISED YOUR TAXES ads and now we gotta wait until the next election cycle whoops politics is sitting down to do the loving math to see what helps the most people possible, in ways that can't be easily beaten. that's triply true for states trying to buck federal imperative. it's not to be an idiot child saying that you dont need to think about anything in the entire world other than californians without insurance between the aca repeal and november 2018 people like you are why democrats are worthless lol
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Frijolero posted:https://twitter.com/kcr242/status/879553586488893440 why did i click on this thread  should have kept playing final fantasy x instead of checking up on bad dems
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mormonpartyboat posted:yeah, and its almost as if there's a whole lot of things going on in addition to that which might require a supermajority in the statehouse to save lives. lol they're not going to suddenly disappear from the legislature after voting for sb562 you dumb gently caress
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ThndrShk2k posted:Mainely news: gently caress the Democrats.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol they're not going to suddenly disappear from the legislature after voting for sb562 you dumb gently caress wow with that kind of a reassurance i suddenly have faith in the common american voter's opinions on increasing their own taxes everything has changed, single payer now versus 2018 is going to be the last single brick to bring about the communist revolution
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Single payer is coming, but I don't think anyone's ready for the shape it will take.
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fits my needs posted:Single payer is coming, but I don't think anyone's ready for the shape it will take. I hope that baby had a pharyngeal jaw and is about to headbite the zuck.
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Zuck would just make healthcare an app in this country.
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ca voters has approved tax hikes before, see prop 30 that increased sales tax and income tax on the rich the real trick is the proposal to use medicare funds for ca single payer which requires federal approval and lol if you think trump will sign off on that
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some real impressive suck zoning from mpb personally i think the dems should be throwing everything at the wall to see what sicks, getting more crazy people and minor celebrities into office, the cautious approach looks to voters like inaction, and they don't lose just on "raised taxes" they lose on "raised taxes with no visible direct benefit" which isn't something you can really say for single payer healthcare or a gmi or other extreme measures they're gonna need to start taking to prop up capitalism
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We just need a Cost graph for the same time period of the three and then a graph comparison of lives and cost to get the ratio.
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UHD posted:ca voters has approved tax hikes before, see prop 30 that increased sales tax and income tax on the rich part of the obamacare ruling from SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't gently caress over states when federal funds made up a great deal of their health funding which provides a legal base for further lawsuits against trump if/when he did that
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Raskolnikov38 posted:if the dem leadership in the state legislature actually cared what they would do is say welp we dont have the votes but we'll vote to place it on the ballot and then everyone would be happy again, there are two ways to get it to the ballot. the first is to get a 2/3rds vote in both houses and then throw it out there, the other is through the initative system the initative system is a better system in almost every way because you cut out the shitheads in the statehouse entirely. yeah, it cant happen until 2018, but even then that's probably a good thing since taking election day off is a thing and taking some random ballot vote day off is not. you dont want a single payer vote hinging on the opinions of idiot old people who dont give a gently caress about single payer because they have medicare/medicaid anyway and idiot rich people who dont care because lol Raskolnikov38 posted:part of the obamacare ruling from SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't gently caress over states when federal funds made up a great deal of their health funding which provides a legal base for further lawsuits against trump if/when he did that the ruling was more that you can't tie existing benefits to new requirements. if the existing system is restructured (like if they switch to block grants), that would open the door for loving with the states. it would be trivial to set up block grants it in a way where it would not couple with however california sets the system up
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Raskolnikov38 posted:part of the obamacare ruling from SCOTUS said the federal government couldn't gently caress over states when federal funds made up a great deal of their health funding which provides a legal base for further lawsuits against trump if/when he did that so something good did come out of the aca
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Al! posted:some real impressive suck zoning from mpb yah im mad at work and not gonna start day drinking self quarantine and shouting into the void is good for the spirit from time to time~~~~~
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mormonpartyboat posted:again, there are two ways to get it to the ballot. the first is to get a 2/3rds vote in both houses and then throw it out there, the other is through the initative system legislature can still gently caress with initiatives after the voters have passed them. see marijuana legalization in MA. i dunno why i'm saynig this other then lol nothing matters
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Karl Barks posted:legislature can still gently caress with initiatives after the voters have passed them. see marijuana legalization in MA. i dunno why i'm saynig this other then lol nothing matters ban congress imo
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fits my needs posted:Single payer is coming, but I don't think anyone's ready for the shape it will take. Healthcare will be free under Zuck because your data(genome) is valuable
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mormonpartyboat posted:yah im mad at work and not gonna start day drinking i get what youre saying and i simply disagree ........MOTHER FUCKER!!!!@
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Karl Barks posted:legislature can still gently caress with initiatives after the voters have passed them. see marijuana legalization in MA. i dunno why i'm saynig this other then lol nothing matters The budget thing might shut down Maine's government for the summer lol.
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