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mormonpartyboat posted:the ~math~ is basically if you're gonna take it as a given that talking about a tax increase = a whole bunch of seats lost, then why even bother with the ballot proposition?
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Main Paineframe posted:if you're gonna take it as a given that talking about a tax increase = a whole bunch of seats lost, then why even bother with the ballot proposition? because then kaiser will still give rendon et al campaign donations
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ThndrShk2k posted:Check out my prior post about Ranked Choice and the 3% tax for high earners to boost schools in Maine Good. Maine is the whitest/one of the oldest age wise states on the union correct?
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a ballot measure would probably the california dems' preferred way to try single payer so that they can all campaign against it like in colorado
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fits my needs posted:Good. Maine is the whitest/one of the oldest age wise states on the union correct? Also the only good things about it would be it'd rile people up in this current political environment and that it's summer so people won't die from being too cold and food is more accessible... if they can afford it. Lets hope Ranked Choice sticks around so we can better vote people out in 2018.
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mormonpartyboat posted:yeah, and its almost as if there's a whole lot of things going on in addition to that which might require a supermajority in the statehouse to save lives. who the gently caress knows what trump is going to do between now and the end of his term. who the gently caress knows what the states might have to do to stop it. and on top of that, you don't go all loving in on a single payer system before trumpcare passes, because suddenly you have a giant bright target and the republican consensus to gently caress over california is going to make itself. whoops its january 2019 and congress says if you have a single payer system you dont get any federal health care funding whoops now we need to go back and tweak the taxes again whoops millions of people are going to die because we lost the supermajority to THEY RAISED YOUR TAXES ads and now we gotta wait until the next election cycle whoops You are right, we need to play TWELVE Dimensional chess now, 11 doesn't work.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Bigotry ain't a good color buddy. I lust for rural white death 
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Concerned Citizen posted:hard to really call it a "massive push" when they never even finished the bill. the never passed the funding mechanism through the senate, which would require a 2/3rds vote. and they didn't bother because the governor would just veto it anyway lorbl even with a supermajority of democrats, they continue to find ways to renege on things overwhelming majorities of their constituents want, and here's CC falling over himself with excuses for their actions its far easier said like this: democrats do not want single payer to happen. they have had multiple opportunities and torpedoed them all. Botton line really if you care about getting away from the parasitic healthcare system of the u.s., it sure isnt the Republicans to fix it, but its also very clear now the Democratic party doesnt give a flying gently caress about actual healthcare solutions either
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fits my needs posted:I lust for rural white death Nature doesn't discriminate and they're too poor to move away due to not being close enough to states that matter. Both senators are against the new Trumpcare bill too because it'd kill the people that vote for them. Maine also splits it's EV between southern and northern Maine too, with the mostly rural part only having 1 EV. We've got a lot better system up here for dealing with that stuff when compared to all the non-new england states, maybe you should lust that the rest of the united states was more like Maine.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:would there even be anything left lol maybe his plan is to get the GOP to stop trying to kneecap it since they now partially own it
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ex post facho posted:lorbl i don't think anyone here actually believes a supermajority of democrats means there's a supermajority for everything progressives want no matter how much you bleat about it. there's a majority, not a supermajority. you need a supermajority. the only realistic path for such an overhaul is going to be a 2018 initiative
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zeal posted:Yeah, you were a dipshit 20-year-old hillary hack, WE KNOW I'm not sure if Venom was ever committed enough to get the Hillary Bro haircut though. But people should remember he's a college aged lanyard.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Well Maine's already got that via nature, timelocked status, and a proto-trump governor. Sounds like things will have to get worse, before they get better. Or the death issue will take care of the problem. Either way, I don't want to be in any state that is 98%+ white lmao
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Thoguh posted:I'm not sure if Venom was ever committed enough to get the Hillary Bro haircut though. Please don't blame vs for being raised in a secular cult
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we need a majority! we need a supermajority! we need a supermajority with the governorship! we need a supermajority with the governorship... of progressives! can u guys still see those goalposts? the dems have carried them so far away I can't even tell if its time for a hail mary or more power o up the gut Seemz to me with supermajorities it woild been smarter to run it up the middle on the one yard line, istead lets try a pass gently caress
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fits my needs posted:Sounds like things will have to get worse, before they get better. Or the death issue will take care of the problem. Either way, I don't want to be in any state that is 98%+ white lmao Welp, it's your right to make decisions based on bigotry lmao.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i don't think anyone here actually believes a supermajority of democrats means there's a supermajority for everything progressives want no matter how much you bleat about it. there's a majority, not a supermajority. you need a supermajority. the only realistic path for such an overhaul is going to be a 2018 initiative i thought centrists were supposed to be a group we can compromise with. why do we need a supermajority of progressives for a bill to even be debated? are they really our allies?
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ThndrShk2k posted:It's already pretty bad lol, but that's why I'm ambivalent to a shutdown. worked for the republicans
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Concerned Citizen posted:i don't think anyone here actually believes a supermajority of democrats means there's a supermajority for everything progressives want no matter how much you bleat about it. there's a majority, not a supermajority. you need a supermajority. the only realistic path for such an overhaul is going to be a 2018 initiative so what you're saying is... democrats... ...are worthless? 
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Using house elves at Hogwarts was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs.
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isn't it strange how centrists are using the same tactics on us as republicans use on them? and republicans are the mortal enemies of centrists, right? what does that make us?
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Joementum posted:maybe we can set up a theater where liberals can watch Harry Potter and Aaron Sorkin shows all day and then just trap them all there ugh shes still going with the identity politics stuff
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Concerned Citizen posted:no one ever said "if we have a supermajority of democrats we will have single payer" ever, you literally just invented that democrats have in fact told people that they can't pass singlepayer cause there aren't enough democrats in power. now we learn that we got the wrong democrats! these ones are republican democrats and we need to return them cause they're as obstructionist as their republican buddies!
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Condiv posted:isn't it strange how centrists are using the same tactics on us as republicans use on them? 
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What exactly got him in a feud with Current Affairs in the first place? also, lol https://twitter.com/johnastoehr/status/879705868270542849 why, yes, the income bracket that swung towards the GOP more from 2012 than any other clearly just adored Hillary
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Condiv posted:i thought centrists were supposed to be a group we can compromise with. why do we need a supermajority of progressives for a bill to even be debated? are they really our allies? nah centrists are poo poo garbage for idiots
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Concerned Citizen posted:no one ever said "if we have a supermajority of democrats we will have single payer" ever, you literally just invented that lmao
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