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Bip Roberts posted:I'm not being remotely ironic. People think that center dems are going to change their minds about policy without any leftish dems winning anything. I can't tell sometimes in this thread. sorry bro
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i think it's time that we have a whale senator or two
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Ace of Baes posted:hint: it's not to gently caress over their constituency in every conceivable way i see no evidence of this
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Everyone should be generalled ... by a third party. Seriously. The hand-wringing about how we have to take over a tarnished and toxic brand isn't convincing people like me or those who reluctantly voted for Trump. Get a coalition of DSA, unions, BLM, and small farmers to start a third party. Run candidates at multiple levels across the country (unlike the Greens). Lose plenty (all?) of races (it's not like the Dems are winning), but gain positive visibility by doing so (unlike the Greens).
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good lord what is happening itt
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penguin/snow petrel 2020
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so what you're saying is... the green party
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Jazerus posted:like the whole reason drug reimportation from canada is a thing is because their single payer system looks at the american prices for drugs and says "lol no" Yeah I worked for a pharmacy that sold drugs to the US from canada and some people broke down on the phone when I told them what their total was and it was like 90% cheaper than what they were paying
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logikv9 posted:i think it's time that we have a whale senator or two Nah a dog. Some kind of pittbull or Doberman.
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Bip Roberts posted:I'm not being remotely ironic. People think that center dems are going to change their minds about policy without any leftish dems winning anything. Same. I have no problem with primaries and generally think they're good, especially in safe blue seats against moderates (like Lipinski).
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zegermans posted:good lord what is happening itt Zuk'd biache.
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I endorse this barred owl for ca state senate he won't barr single payer
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Subjunctivitis posted:Run candidates at multiple levels across the country (unlike the Greens). uhh
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UHD posted:I endorse this barred owl for ca state senate Owls aren't what the seem imo.
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Subjunctivitis posted:Everyone should be generalled ... by a third party. the DSA runs local candidates, and will probably be running a lot more in the near future, we run under dem, green, independent, whatever gives us the best chance of winning, I don't think there's any chance of them becoming a political party anytime soon though, but who knows what'll happen at the national conference this year, there's 4x as many members as when they had it last year.
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fits my needs posted:Nah a dog. Some kind of pittbull or Doberman. unfortunately discriminatory laws against dog senators are still on the books
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Ace of Baes posted:what do you think the job of a politician is thats a good question since the whole premise of representative democracy is that you just vote for which person you trust with the responsibility to be smarter than you and the power to make decisions for you without any real popular oversight 
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People seem confused that there could be more than two parties with our voting system and it's really odd.
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Ace of Baes posted:hint: it's not to gently caress over their constituency in every conceivable way it's actually to collect fat paychecks from kaiser permamente
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Bip Roberts posted:Owls aren't what the seem imo. I trust them more than pigeons
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two parties? sounds pretty good to me!
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Ace of Baes posted:the DSA runs local candidates, and will probably be running a lot more in the near future, we run under dem, green, independent, whatever gives us the best chance of winning, I don't think there's any chance of them becoming a political party anytime soon though, but who knows what'll happen at the national conference this year, there's 4x as many members as when they had it last year. really needs to be a dsa focus on one or two national level seats to be the first actual third party to win them in forever imo
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logikv9 posted:lol if you don't already vote for lizards up and down the ticket 
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Bip Roberts posted:People seem confused that there could be more than two parties with our voting system and it's really odd. england has fptp and multiple parties 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:england has fptp and multiple parties parliaments work differently
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Condiv posted:iirc that was whiskey juvenille How juvenile
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ranked choice is dumb and complicated and for losers who whine
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zegermans posted:ranked choice is dumb and complicated and for losers who whine don't sign ur posts bitch!!!!!!
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honestly if the dems dont get taken over (possible) or adopt a ton of progressive platforms and not gently caress over their own party members (very unlikely) the party is going to die and erode away anyways, it lost to Trump and can lose again in 2020, and if it does they'll be able to run a polished version of trump in 2024, it doesnt get any better lmao "but trump will be in jail by then" yeah im sure the GOP house is going to start impeachment hearings any day now
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UHD posted:parliaments work differently nothing about the way the us electoral system is set up inherently prevents viable third parties, the 12th amendment even exists for when third parties take enough electoral votes to prevent an outright majority Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 22:03 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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zegermans posted:ranked choice is dumb and complicated and for losers who whine a unicameral modified party list proportional representation system where you just vote for a party and dole out vote blocks to parties to deal with however the party's rules assert would own
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"The path to singlepayer and a public option is the ACA!!!" - Nancy Pelosi pelosi you loving idiot you had 8 years to get a public option out that ship sailed. you loving idiots could've campaigned on a public option with hillary and won, but it was more important for hillary to give tax credits to entrepreneurs with student loans
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Ok, I just checked their site. I remember looking last year at the list of candidates on the Green's site and thinking, "That's not very many candidates at all." I still believe a party with the backing of the groups I mentioned would garner a more serious reception. The Greens are also a tarnished brand.
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UHD posted:parliaments work differently it's still first past the post in the UK' there is no proportional representation if there were 100 seats and 3 parties, and every seat's election was 40% Party A, 30% Party B, 30% Party C -- Party A would have every single seat
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Condiv posted:"The path to singlepayer and a public option is the ACA!!!" - Nancy Pelosi When did they have 8 years for a public option?
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zegermans posted:good lord what is happening itt teh #resistance #reistance
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logikv9 posted:so what you're saying is... the green party we'll be able to communicate with dolphins by 2020 
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Bip Roberts posted:When did they have 8 years fora public option? when they passed the ACA and ripped it out. hth
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Bip Roberts posted:People seem confused that there could be more than two parties with our voting system and it's really odd. our system was designed for a system with no political parties...... like how stupid were our founding fathers, they thought ppl were property like a chair or something
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Subjunctivitis posted:Everyone should be generalled ... by a third party. i still say primary republicans they love anything as long as it's owning libs, and socialism owns libs hard
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