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doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013
The in-game economy is kind of a mess though.

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Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


TheAgent posted:

I just think it might be time to get a refund

or pledge more, really, since you've barely given Chris Roberts 10% of the cost of his watch

don't you dare encourage moma to refund.

i want the bag holders in this thread melting down when the project dies with the sound of a wet fart

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

doingitwrong posted:

The in-game economy is kind of a mess though.

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for some shilling today.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

The Titanic posted:

That's why I suggested to give it a month. If anybody was really interested though they'd probably be able to ID the shill accounts pretty good. Also be interesting to know how many there were, to give you an idea of what sort of Internet footprint you'd get by paying for one of these Internet marketer groups.

They'll be a few posts full of "Give them a break guys, they tried" or "I got my money's worth" or "Please don't sue them" but I'm going to assume most of those are from backers trying to justify getting suckered. And some of the genuine backer shills will just disappear into the ether, to ashamed to admit they ignored all the warning signs until it was too late. And then they'll just get a new Reddit account and find the next game that will give their life some worth.

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

TheAgent posted:

you "invested" thousands of dollars in a failing video game that you somehow think will turn your thousands into more thousands, like some kind of jpgcoin

even if the game comes out, it won't be fun and scammers/griefers will make any spaceship jpg utterly worthless

Don't forget that before the scammers and griefers even get to the ships one hundred and fifty billion UEC already exists in the economy by removing that many ships(moneysinks.) People not having to spend $150,000,000,000 means everyone will be flush with currency and start paying ridiculous prices for things. Need a engine module? So does everyone. Turns out your 4,000($4) engine module goes for 40,000 UEC ($4)

It's pretty reasonable to expect 10-100 times inflation to where your $750 space bomber has zero demand at any price and you are lucky to get $7.50 for it.

The only way this works out in MoMA/The backers favor is if somehow Star Citizen gets 10x-20x the amount of players as any other MMO active right now, and somehow gold farmers don't take advantage of an exchange rate that is practically miraculous in MMO economies of 1,000 UEC = $1. Also CIG needs to play a masterclass in economics that would be so amazing that PHD thesis could be written about it.

I'm sure it'll be fine and MoMAs expectation of a triple - quadruple deflationary movement will totally make his $8,000 ships worth $24,000-$32,000 because

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
> w
You cannot go that way.
> l
You're at the Port Ollisar landing pads. Docked here: an Aurora, a Dragonfly and an Idris. You also see Captain(s): BanditLoaf, Leathality, BunnyMan, DarkKnight.
> buy ship
Buying ships are disabled until commercial release. Please see our pledge store for more information.
> i
You are wearing a set of nipple jets and not much else. Saucy! You have 30,178,050 REC and 46,098,540 aUEC. You are carrying: nothing. You own: nothing.
> x me
You are a white, bald man, anywhere between the age of 20 and 35. You are currently wearing: nipple jets, gray boxers. It's cold out in space! You should consider a space suit.
> gently caress Captain BanditLoad
I do not see a Captain of that name.
> gently caress Captain BanditLoaf
"I see you want my folds, $charnane," Captain BanditLoaf responds. "However, such a pleasure of palace comes not cheap to those unworthy. What do you have to offer?"
> give Captain BanditLoaf the Wing Commander manual
You do not have a Wing Commader manual to give to Captain BanditLoaf.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Nuclearmonkee posted:

don't you dare encourage moma to refund.

i want the bag holders in this thread melting down when the project dies with the sound of a wet fart

If moma posts after CIG closes doors, he'll talk about how he sold everything earlier this year and actually came out ahead.

That's why he won't list his current fleet.

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development
Separating the paid and non-paid shill accounts is easy on Reddit. Install Reddit Enhancement Suite and Toolbox: browser plugins that give some very useful features.

When you're reading a comment and think "is this a paid shill?" click the H button next to their account name, and you get a summary of their last 1000 or so comments, with % breakdown of which subreddits they're active in. Very few actually venture away to more "risky" territory like /r/games, /r/gaming and /r/pcgaming.

Then Tag the user for easy laughing later.

Almost all of the toxic Citizens that are regularly quoted, are 80%+ /r/StarCitizen and/or /r/DerekSmart. They have a (paid) obsession with Star Citizen.

Quavers fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jun 27, 2017

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

TheAgent posted:

> w
You cannot go tha...Star Citizen has stopped working.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Quavers posted:

Separating the paid and non-paid shill accounts is easy on Reddit. Install Reddit Enhancement Suite and Toolbox: browser plugins that give some very useful features.

When you're reading a comment and think "is this a paid shill?" click the H button next to their account name, and you get a summary of their last 1000 or so comments, with % breakdown of which subreddits they're active in. Very few actually venture away to more "risky" territory like /r/games, /r/gaming and /r/pcgaming.

Then Tag the user for easy laughing later.

Almost all of the toxic Citizens that are regularly quoted, are 80%+ /r/StarCitizen and/or /r/DerekSmart. They have a (paid) obsession with Star Citizen.

I don't need a bunch of plugins to laugh at people on reddit :smug:

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

AP posted:

If moma posts after CIG closes doors, he'll talk about how he sold everything earlier this year and actually came out ahead.

That's why he won't list his current fleet.

Uh if CIG closes, the ships will be worth MORE because that means no more jpegs can be produced and their current inventory is obviously sold out. The existing ships become more rare and more desirable.

Same thing happened to DeLorean cars which are still being scooped up by all the Back to The Future fans even to this day, as soon as one hits the market. Goons don't understand price development.

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003

Space Crabs posted:

Don't forget that before the scammers and griefers even get to the ships one hundred and fifty billion UEC already exists in the economy by removing that many ships(moneysinks.) People not having to spend $150,000,000,000 means everyone will be flush with currency and start paying ridiculous prices for things. Need a engine module? So does everyone. Turns out your 4,000($4) engine module goes for 40,000 UEC ($4)

It's pretty reasonable to expect 10-100 times inflation to where your $750 space bomber has zero demand at any price and you are lucky to get $7.50 for it.

The only way this works out in MoMA/The backers favor is if somehow Star Citizen gets 10x-20x the amount of players as any other MMO active right now, and somehow gold farmers don't take advantage of an exchange rate that is practically miraculous in MMO economies of 1,000 UEC = $1. Also CIG needs to play a masterclass in economics that would be so amazing that PHD thesis could be written about it.

I'm sure it'll be fine and MoMAs expectation of a triple - quadruple deflationary movement will totally make his $8,000 ships worth $24,000-$32,000 because
The game is still in development idiot why would they need to worry about all the stuff now? Stupid Goon.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

hot balls man no homo posted:

The shill checks are going to be the last ones to bounce. They're needed to keep the spin going long after the programmers have been handed their pinkslips. The great thing about shills though is that they'll keep their mouths shut. Nobody will hire a shill company that will sell you out to the government or to your own customers. They get paid in advance and as long as the check clears you will get pro tier shill services. And when you stop, the accounts go silent and the shills exist only as a vague line item in the accounts, like a porno movie on a hotel bill.

MoMA/Toast: Like a porno movie on a hotel bill

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

big nipples big life posted:

I don't need a bunch of plugins to laugh at people on reddit :smug:

I have to tag them then phone my parents, else I can't laugh :negative:

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Quavers posted:

Separating the paid and non-paid shill accounts is easy on Reddit. Install Reddit Enhancement Suite and Toolbox: browser plugins that give some very useful features.

When you're reading a comment and think "is this a paid shill?" click the H button next to their account name, and you get a summary of their last 1000 or so comments, with % breakdown of which subreddits they're active in. Very few actually venture away to more "risky" territory like /r/games, /r/gaming and /r/pcgaming.

Then Tag the user for easy laughing later.

Almost all of the toxic Citizens that are regularly quoted, are 80%+ /r/StarCitizen and/or /r/DerekSmart. They have a (paid) obsession with Star Citizen.

Or, can I just read the posts who share that stuff in this thread? Like I just can't be bothered to do that poo poo over this topic.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
is it at all possible to take that loan money and scram, leaving the bank to answer to all unsatisfied customers?

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Quavers posted:

Separating the paid and non-paid shill accounts is easy on Reddit. Install Reddit Enhancement Suite and Toolbox: browser plugins that give some very useful features.

When you're reading a comment and think "is this a paid shill?" click the H button next to their account name, and you get a summary of their last 1000 or so comments, with % breakdown of which subreddits they're active in. Very few actually venture away to more "risky" territory like /r/games, /r/gaming and /r/pcgaming.

Then Tag the user for easy laughing later.

Almost all of the toxic Citizens that are regularly quoted, are 80%+ /r/StarCitizen and/or /r/DerekSmart. They have a (paid) obsession with Star Citizen.

I don't know about that. Remember that this game has a cult like following and you only need a few shepherds to sway the flock. They've already bought in for thousands and they aren't so much defending the game as much as defending themselves from being so very wrong about video games. The outsiders are dangerous and wrong and need true desciples need to be vigilant in attacking the heretics.

Barcley
Jan 26, 2004

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Soiled Meat
Got my refund today from kick starting this thing in 2012! Gonna spend it on games that are actually in existence.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/879806196663762944

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

It's cute that they have pet names for failed board meetings.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

I see a camera man!

Who's ready for the "Road to 3.0" trainwreck! :woop:

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Snazzy Frocks posted:

is it at all possible to take that loan money and scram, leaving the bank to answer to all unsatisfied customers?

Sure. Once CIG has the cash, it's executive bonus time! Then the bank takes over the property and tells the customers to get behind them in line while they pick the carcass of Star Citizen clean, like a school of piranhas.

So yes, the bank will answer the satisfied customers. The answer will be gently caress You Got Mine.

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Hmm. For what purpose do you think that camera guy is for? Do they record their "Daily 3.0" or whatever. If so, why? I don't remember ATV featuring recording from sit down meetings.

Does anyone truly care. Probably not, but these are questions.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009


I'm sure they had to open the console as a normal part of their 3.0 progress demo and not because it unexpectedly broke.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

It's probably the same as my daily 3.0 which is a number 2.0 and a number 1.0 after I finish my morning coffee. At least the results are the same.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Barcley posted:

Got my refund today from kick starting this thing in 2012! Gonna spend it on games that are actually in existence.

Nice work. I have a feeling 3.0 will be the endpoint before refunds are handed out like candy under the ironclad ToS.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer
Cameraman capturing the most open development ever

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Drunk Theory posted:

Hmm. For what purpose do you think that camera guy is for? Do they record their "Daily 3.0" or whatever. If so, why? I don't remember ATV featuring recording from sit down meetings.

Does anyone truly care. Probably not, but these are questions.

This will be an important chapter in the making of Star Citizen documentary.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Barcley posted:

Got my refund today from kick starting this thing in 2012! Gonna spend it on games that are actually in existence.

Congrats commando :toot:

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:


Some poor fucker that valued those under a MACR schedule now has to submit it to the Coutts & Co as well.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

his nibs posted:

Cameraman capturing the most open development ever

Thank Christ the subscribers are only paying for it along with the rest of the shows.

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

hey has this game left early access yet?

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Viva Miriya posted:

hey has this game left early access yet?

This game was never early access friend, those pledges were gifts.
But to answer the question. Pre-pre-pre alpha 2.7 is going well, and soon we'll be in pre-pre-post alpha 3.0, so exciting stuff coming up.

Mikojan
May 12, 2010

Keeping lists of users involved with posting about a videogame is p creepy tbh

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

Viva Miriya posted:

hey has this game left early access yet?


Drunk Theory posted:

This game was never early access friend, those pledges were gifts.
But to answer the question. Pre-pre-pre alpha 2.7 is going well, and soon we'll be in pre-pre-post alpha 3.0, so exciting stuff coming up.

so early access by another name

dunno why you are telling me about pledged gifts, i just wanted to know if this was a game yet

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Viva Miriya posted:

so early access by another name

dunno why you are telling me about pledged gifts, i just wanted to know if this was a game yet

Understood. Sorry about too much extra information. No the game is not out yet. Check back in two weeks, by then we should have a hard date for when the game will not be out.

Drunk Theory fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jun 27, 2017

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010





his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer

Colostomy Bag posted:

Thank Christ the subscribers are only paying for it along with the rest of the shows.

It's not a photo that inspires confidence though

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
does subscriber income (or whatever $$ that goes into video production) show up on funding charts?

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Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

his nibs posted:

It's not a photo that inspires confidence though

Usually requires a guy standing proud on a boat off the coast of Monaco.

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