NBA Offseason G/V: Let Me Hear You Post It

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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney	67	22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball	40	13.38%
Where will the Pauls go	54	18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ??	41	13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking	97	32.44%
Total:	210 votes

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Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/thekapman/status/879719622618095616

Praise Be

is Chip Engelland III a bad enough dude to turn MCW into a good NBA player
or will he be on hand to fix Derrick Rose or Ricky Rubio
either way I'm glad the Warriors weren't successful when they tried to headhunt him, gently caress you guys we got Steve Kerr's SON. try that Zaza poo poo again and Pop is givin the SIGNAL

# ? Jun 27, 2017 23:51

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# ? May 21, 2024 19:39

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Niwrad posted:

Pacers should be playing hardball. With Butler off the market, they have more leverage.

Does BOS have their own pick next year? If PG is going to re-sign with them, I'd want two firsts for next year and a 2019 pick that BOS has.

# ? Jun 27, 2017 23:52

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

pubic works project posted:

Does BOS have their own pick next year? If PG is going to re-sign with them, I'd want two firsts for next year and a 2019 pick that BOS has.

They have a swap with Brooklyn.

The LAL/SAC pick is good but I'd want Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, or the Brooklyn pick with it. And if Boston wasn't willing to part with one of those for Paul George than gently caress them.

# ? Jun 27, 2017 23:57

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Niwrad posted:

They have a swap with Brooklyn.

The LAL/SAC pick is good but I'd want Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, or the Brooklyn pick with it. And if Boston wasn't willing to part with one of those for Paul George than gently caress them.

I'd do both picks, Tatum and Crowder. Maybe the MEM 2019 too.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:02

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

euphronius posted:

I was just going off of dunced on podcast

I hope the sixers can get him for cheap. Would be ideal.

I'd rather nail my balls to hot pavement than see Carmelo on this team.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:10

Squinky v2.0: Nov 16, 2006; Behind you! A three headed monkey!; College Slice

Niwrad posted:

They have a swap with Brooklyn.

The LAL/SAC pick is good but I'd want Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, or the Brooklyn pick with it. And if Boston wasn't willing to part with one of those for Paul George than gently caress them.

No, next year they own the nets pick outright, unprotected, no swap.

I think if they can keep that Nets pick, Brown, Tatum, and have assurances it won't be a one and done for George, that's a good deal for BOS

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:12

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Squinky v2.0 posted:

No, next year they own the nets pick outright, unprotected, no swap.

I think if they can keep that Nets pick, Brown, Tatum, and have assurances it won't be a one and done for George, that's a good deal for BOS

I'm tweeting at KP right now to rake Ainge over the coals! Time for the trade rapist to get taken advantage of!

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:14

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

Squinky v2.0 posted:

I think if they can keep that Nets pick, Brown, Tatum, and have assurances it won't be a one and done for George, that's a good deal for BOS

It's an amazing deal for Boston which is why the Pacers should not take it. If Ainge isn't willing to give up one of those nice assets to have a contender next year, let him face the wrath of Boston fans.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:19

Adun: Apr 15, 2001; Publicola; Fun Shoe

The Pacers have zero leverage and it would be stupid for any team to trade a lot of assets to the Pacers especially because you'll gut your team and in the end make it less likely that he re-signs instead of just going to LA.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:22

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Adun posted:

The Pacers have zero leverage and it would be stupid for any team to trade a lot of assets to the Pacers especially because you'll gut your team and in the end make it less likely that he re-signs instead of just going to LA.

How is trading an unproven player in Tatum and an albatross of an contract in Crowder, plus two of the picks that Ainge has stockpiled gutting a team?

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:24

Eltoasto: Aug 26, 2002; We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.

Crowder's contract is the stuff that GM's dreams are made of.

It just doesn't really make sense for the Pacers if they are rebuilding, BUT I imagine he could be traded elsewhere pretty easily.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:26

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

pubic works project posted:

How is trading an unproven player in Tatum and an albatross of an contract in Crowder, plus two of the picks that Ainge has stockpiled gutting a team?

Crowder has one of the best conracts in the NBA hahah

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:28

SpiritOfSanDimas: Oct 31, 2012

Spacebump posted:

For a few years in 2k I used to try to make teams of all 3s. The rosters would include Iggy/Marion/LeBron/PG(before he was as good as he is now)/Melo and filling the bench with lesser 3s. It was hilarious.

A team of all Prime Iggys irl might be able to make the East playoffs. (Especially if you have 12 Iggys so they can sprint at all times.) They would probably get destroyed in the playoffs when they faced a team with both good coaching and good bigs.

Their offense would obviously suck, but I think they'd be incredible switching everything on D. Plus when they generate turnovers it'd be hard to communicate who you are guarding in transition when every opposing player is a clone of each other

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:28

Brolander: Oct 20, 2008; i am but a vessel

Cool Buff Man posted:

I can respect that

https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/879496889388867584/photo/1 weird

*that entire series of david thorpe roasts about j herdren's shoes*

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:29

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

pubic works project posted:

How is trading an unproven player in Tatum and an albatross of an contract in Crowder, plus two of the picks that Ainge has stockpiled gutting a team?

He, arguably, has the best contract in the league other than Covington.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:30

Adun: Apr 15, 2001; Publicola; Fun Shoe

pubic works project posted:

How is trading an unproven player in Tatum and an albatross of an contract in Crowder, plus two of the picks that Ainge has stockpiled gutting a team?

Ainge is seemingly in love with Tatum and Crowder's contract is the opposite of an albatross.

More importantly, the Pacers have little leverage and it's not like there's anyone else that's reasonably bidding against the Celtics.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:31

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Redgrendel2001 posted:

He, arguably, has the best contract in the league other than Covington.

Isaiah's has been pretty incredible too

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:31

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

Adun posted:

The Pacers have zero leverage and it would be stupid for any team to trade a lot of assets to the Pacers especially because you'll gut your team and in the end make it less likely that he re-signs instead of just going to LA.

I'd rather wait it out, hope George makes All-NBA, and offer him a bigger contract than anyone else can than give him up for a poo poo sandwich.

Pacers leverage is whether Boston wants to compete for an NBA Championship or have Lebron curbstomp them again in the playoffs. Celtics have a nice little window right now where they can make a run.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:31

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Well drat. Okay well I don't know who I'm thinking of. I have no idea why I thought his contract was bad.

It always seems like Ainge is trying to trade him!

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:36

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

i would submit that steph curry has the best contract

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:37

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

https://twitter.com/fentyy/status/879804731329323010

https://twitter.com/Enes_Kanter/status/879823062677544960

:allears:

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:39

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

pubic works project posted:

Well drat. Okay well I don't know who I'm thinking of. I have no idea why I thought his contract was bad.

It always seems like Ainge is trying to trade him!

Eh, it's only recently because the top guys Ainge is targeting are small forwards and he just drafted a bunch of small forwards and he's going to be the easiest person to trade for cap space. Whatever team gets him is lucky

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:41

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

Zogo posted:

"Can a starting five of James, Kyrie Irving, Anthony, Wade and George work?"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-lebron-james-bringing-152635252.html

I finished looking at shooting in the finals. This covers 1951 - 2017. 67 years of data and nearly 1,500 finals seasons.

The top and bottom 1%:
code:
NP	Player			Year
49.96	Kevin Durant		2017
40.76	Michael Jordan		1992
38.84	Adrian Dantley		1988
38.52	Magic Johnson		1988
37.24	LeBron James		2014
36.36	James Worthy		1984
35.8	Ray Allen		2008
35.36	Kevin Durant		2012
35.2	Jerry West		1966
34.8	Kevin McHale		1985
34.72	LeBron James		2017
31.76	Kevin McHale		1986
31.56	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	1985
31.44	Julius Erving		1977
31.08	Shaquille O'Neal	2002


-26.4	Elgin Baylor		1959
-26.92	Bill Russell		1957
-27.08	Red Kerr		1955
-27.56	Kenyon Martin		2003
-27.64	Nate Thurmond		1967
-27.8	Bailey Howell		1969
-28.04	Joe Graboski		1956
-29	Paul Seymour		1955
-29.24	Guy Rodgers		1964
-30.76	Jerry West		1972
-31.96	Bob Cousy		1957
-33.92	Jim Loscutoff		1957
-37.24	Patrick Ewing		1994
-40.16	Woody Sauldsberry	1961
-41.12	Bob Cousy		1960
Patrick Ewing was awful in 1994. I remember seeing a documentary and he said he felt like there was an invisible lid on the rim but I didn't know it was nearly the worst in NBA history.

I listened to New York calls of those games as a very young child who just got his own clock radio, I remember pacing back and forth and hoping to God that the knicks would keep winning and I remember the angst and misery of the New York callers after they blew it

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:44

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

Crowder is weird because I think his contract overvalues who he is. His contract is great but are you going to win a championship with him as a starter? And if he is a backup you're not getting the same value from that contract.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:44

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

Niwrad posted:

Crowder is weird because I think his contract overvalues who he is. His contract is great but are you going to win a championship with him as a starter? And if he is a backup you're not getting the same value from that contract.

Why wouldn't you be able to win a championship with him as a starter?

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:46

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Also the Pacers can and should say no if they don't get a good deal.

The Pacers leverage is the fact that they are literally holding up Boston's entire offseason as they can't do the Hayward stuff until the trade gets approval as I Heyward might make a different decision if no PG. As well as knowing that Boston can't sign him outright in free agency next year.

Mid year there will be offers for trades the Pacers can look into Maybe more desperate team. There isn't a need to do it now.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:46

Adun: Apr 15, 2001; Publicola; Fun Shoe

Niwrad posted:

Crowder is weird because I think his contract overvalues who he is. His contract is great but are you going to win a championship with him as a starter? And if he is a backup you're not getting the same value from that contract.

I mean the fact that he hasn't actually been able to trade Crowder despite all of the noise probably means that the rest of the NBA doesn't really overvalue him

Dexo posted:

Also the Pacers can and should say no if they don't get a good deal.

The Pacers leverage is the fact that they are literally holding up Boston's entire offseason as they can't do the Hayward stuff until the trade gets approval as I Heyward might make a different decision if no PG. As well as knowing that Boston can't sign him outright in free agency next year.

Mid year there will be offers for trades the Pacers can look into Maybe more desperate team. There isn't a need to do it now.

No one is going to trade for Paul George mid-season for a half-season rental because there's even less time to convince him to stay. Further, everything out of Indiana has said that they're trying to trade PG by July.

Adun fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 28, 2017

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:47

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Wouldn't it benefit LA to get PG now as opposed to later for cap purposes? I'd imagine Indy has decent leverage since if you try to lowball too much Magic will counter

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:47

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

If JJ Barea can win a championship as a starter, anyone can

If Mario Chalmers as a starter can win two championships, anyone can

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:48

Mr. Mambold: Feb 13, 2011; Aha. Nice post.

Dexo posted:

Also the Pacers can and should say no if they don't get a good deal.

The Pacers leverage is the fact that they are literally holding up Boston's entire offseason as they can't do the Hayward stuff until the trade gets approval as I Heyward might make a different decision if no PG. As well as knowing that Boston can't sign him outright in free agency next year.

Mid year there will be offers for trades the Pacers can look into Maybe more desperate team. There isn't a need to do it now.

I doubt there'll be teams with as good a chance to win as Boston if they lock him and Hayward up. Like none, so he's back to square L.A., if that's his dream.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:48

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

WhyteRyce posted:

Wouldn't it benefit LA to get PG now as opposed to later for cap purposes? I'd imagine Indy has decent leverage since if you try to lowball too much Magic will counter

You want Paul George to sign for free, so you can use the assets that would be used in a trade for him to dump salary so you can sign Lebron's max

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:49

Ty1990: Apr 22, 2011

Redgrendel2001 posted:

I'd rather nail my balls to hot pavement than see Carmelo on this team.

Yea Melo is a cool guy and watching him flip the bird to Phil is funny but I'd rather watch him play somewhere else.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:56

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

pubic works project posted:

Okay which one of you is the spy?!?!?

Dokmo is Magic? :monocle:

Wait, that isn't right

*erases entire whiteboard*

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:57

chunkles: Aug 14, 2005; i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

When you acquire Melo, you're not just acquiring his basketball skills. You're acquiring a digital lifestyle brand.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:57

Niwrad: Jul 1, 2008

Metapod posted:

Why wouldn't you be able to win a championship with him as a starter?

I just think you need great to elite wings to win a championship, not above average ones. I think what you saw Lebron do to him in the Conference Finals is why it's tough.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 00:58

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Adun posted:

I mean the fact that he hasn't actually been able to trade Crowder despite all of the noise probably means that the rest of the NBA doesn't really overvalue him

What? The only noise about an imminent Crowder ship-out started when the news about the cap being smaller than expected came out. They'll have no problem whatsoever moving him when they chose to. Prior to that any and all trade rumors involving Crowder have been as an asking piece for a PG or Butler trade

# ? Jun 28, 2017 01:01

Away all Goats: Jul 5, 2005; Goose's rebellion

You can win a championship with Crowder as a starter, you just need to fill the rest of the starter spots with MVP caliber players.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 01:01

Spacebump: Dec 24, 2003; Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Niwrad posted:

Crowder is weird because I think his contract overvalues who he is. His contract is great but are you going to win a championship with him as a starter? And if he is a backup you're not getting the same value from that contract.

A team won a Finals starting JJ Barea at the 2 so I think you can win a Finals starting Crowder.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 01:06

EMC: Aug 17, 2004

Everyone thinking Hayward is going to sign with Boston is seriously discounting the effect of Miami investing heavily in eSports

http://www.espn.com.au/esports/story/_/id/18444193/miami-heat-invest-esports-misfits

Hayward will play out his days in Miami then transition to being a League of Legends coach

# ? Jun 28, 2017 01:09

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# ? May 21, 2024 19:39

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

EMC posted:

Everyone thinking Hayward is going to sign with Boston is seriously discounting the effect of Miami investing heavily in eSports

http://www.espn.com.au/esports/story/_/id/18444193/miami-heat-invest-esports-misfits

Hayward will play out his days in Miami then transition to being a League of Legends coach

NA LCS summer finals are in Boston... at the TD Garden... Danny can slip him box seats. Just a cool couple of box seats.

# ? Jun 28, 2017 01:10

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