Cyrano4747 posted:The Germans actually took a pretty decent stab at it. Boats would spot a convoy, shadow it, and radio its position. Occasionally they'd get lucky with signal intercepts and vector boats in for an intercept. Other boats would join up, the wolfpack would attack, and if they were in range they'd try to get some Condors in on the action as well. Done right and it lead to poo poo like PQ 17. Agreed, but it's not like the various subs and planes were communicating mid attack. (Well, they were in Pq17 because that was a loving turkey shoot on a scattered convoy). In a sub sim game perspective you would make a contact report and maybe a few hours later some of your contacts would randomly explode. This was actually a plot point in Red Storm Rising.
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Apparently the HMS Queen Elizabeth was launched running Windows XPquote:Fears have been raised that Britain’s largest ever warship could be vulnerable to cyber attacks after it emerged it appears to be running the outdated Microsoft Windows XP. Those are some wonderful quotes. Edit: In reality, I realize that an aircraft carrier is going to be a harder target than most. I have no idea how good their security personnel is, but holy poo poo how does this even happen? Where did they even get a license for XP?
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Jun 27, 2017 15:45
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When it comes to large (huge) enterprises and governments with thousands of licenses, there may be negotiations to keep supporting outdated stuff in exchange for $Texas.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Apparently the HMS Queen Elizabeth was launched running Windows XP There are similar analogs to this story in US ship building as well. Vagaries of contract execution and procurement :/
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Shooting Blanks posted:Apparently the HMS Queen Elizabeth was launched running Windows XP There are still XP computers in DOD.
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Godholio posted:There are still XP computers in DOD. Still having XP machines is one thing. Launching a brand new ship that began physical construction 8 years after the OS was taken out of service is entirely another. Edit: NM, got my dates wrong. I'm an idiot, XP was launched in 2001, not deprecated. Shooting Blanks fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Godholio posted:There are still XP computers in DOD. There are probably still NT computers in DOD.
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Phanatic posted:There are probably still NT computers in DOD.
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Phanatic posted:There are probably still NT computers in DOD. I work in manufacturing at IT and we have a lot of equipment that runs on XP or older. [ASK] me about shipping a windows NT computer that runs one of our lasers back to the vendor overnight for $texas because it needed a new hard drive
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Yeah. Your options in some cases are pray to the silicon gods for your NT computer to live forever or pay buckets of cash to have your snowflake software recreated in modern code.
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Alaan posted:Yeah. Your options in some cases are pray to the silicon gods for your NT computer to live forever or pay buckets of cash to have your snowflake software recreated in modern code. Bonus comedy option: go for 2 but fail to have documentation on how the system's supposed to work.
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Alaan posted:Yeah. Your options in some cases are pray to the silicon gods for your NT computer to live forever or pay buckets of cash to have your snowflake software recreated in modern code. https://www.geek.com/tech/a-commodore-64-has-helped-run-an-auto-shop-for-25-years-1672510/
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A bunch of Patriot software is still coded in FORTRAN. I'll submit that as the oldest extant DoD software.
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bewbies posted:A bunch of Patriot software is still coded in FORTRAN. I'll submit that as the oldest extant DoD software. MUMPS is pretty old but FORTRAN has it best I think.
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People still write new code in fortran, especially in science and engineering, especially for simulations/optimization problems/etc.
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Mumps was still in use in the financial world when I got headhunted twenty years ago. Not broke, don't fix it I guess
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I'm so glad I work with modern enough experiments that we're all using c++ and python instead of fortran and matlab. I pity those people. e. I do have a heavy duty pelican case with a DAQ running redhat 2.4 or something relatively archaic in my office with a big "EMERGENCY DAQ" sign on it though.
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Hey does anyone know if the F-35's 'can't go over 600kts with weapons in the bays for more than 5 minutes or it may detonate itself' issue ever got sorted out?
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Phanatic posted:There are probably still NT computers in DOD. bewbies posted:A bunch of Patriot software is still coded in FORTRAN. I'll submit that as the oldest extant DoD software. DoD's Mechanization of Contract Administration Services program was written in 1958 in COBOL.
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bewbies posted:A bunch of la li lu le lo software is still coded in FORTRAN. I'll submit that as the oldest extant DoD software. What? I don't understand  content edit: I played a lot of Falcon 4 Allied Force as a kid but it seems everyone's into Falcon BMS, what's the difference and which one will allow me to regret the most buddy spikes.
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The thing about solid‐state devices and especially software is that they don’t wear out. Businesses and the government would still be using sixty‐year‐old machines of all sorts if they could, but with a few exceptions (everyone’s favourite being the B‐52), that’s not physically possible.
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Smiling Jack posted:Mumps was still in use in the financial world when I got headhunted twenty years ago. The computers that UPS uses to handle cross border customs date from the 1970s
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bewbies posted:A bunch of Patriot software is still coded in FORTRAN. I'll submit that as the oldest extant DoD software. The first release of fortran was in 1958. The current release is from 2010. There's still a surprising amount of new fortran being written. General Battuta posted:What? I don't understand BMS has a good campaign and built in voice chat so you can lock up your flight leader until he goes mad.
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OK, stop me when the suprise grabs you: American nuclear weapons labs are now run privately, and they keep having hilarious safety violations, but the DoE just waves the fines so nothing is gonna change. Also: QE carrier starts sea trials
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Naramyth posted:I work in manufacturing at IT and we have a lot of equipment that runs on XP or older. Tier 1 automotive supplier here, we have a 3 million dollar machine that was built last year that runs XP Service Pack 1 plus some other stuff hanging around on NT 3.1 plus some even older poo poo that necessitates our keeping boxes of OG Zilog 80 processors and ultraviolet-window PROM chips in our maintenance stores. shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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General Battuta posted:content edit: I played a lot of Falcon 4 Allied Force as a kid but it seems everyone's into Falcon BMS, what's the difference and which one will allow me to regret the most buddy spikes. BMS is light years beyond previous Falcon versions. If you are going to play Falcon, you should play BMS.
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, stop me when the suprise grabs you: American nuclear weapons labs are now run privately, and they keep having hilarious safety violations, but the DoE just waves the fines so nothing is gonna change. Reagan's dead hand strikes again!
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, stop me when the suprise grabs you: American nuclear weapons labs are now run privately, and they keep having hilarious safety violations, but the DoE just waves the fines so nothing is gonna change. "It's probably some BS safety violations anyway..." quote:Here’s an example of the risks: In 2011, a worker at Sandia National Laboratories incorrectly turned a valve that unleashed an explosion that could have killed him another co-worker. 
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hobbesmaster posted:The first release of fortran was in 1958. The current release is from 2010. There's still a surprising amount of new fortran being written. Yeah, I'm a researcher at a US Government aeronautics research lab, and I will confirm that new Fortran software is born every day. I don't really use it on my own projects, but there are lots of compelling reasons to write high performance numerical software in Fortran. The latest standard has all of the things you'd expect from a modern language, translated into the idioms Fortran programmers are used to. It's no more outdated than C++, but has syntax that makes numerics easier to do right.
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Mortabis posted:People still write new code in fortran, especially in science and engineering, especially for simulations/optimization problems/etc. Does anyone outside DOD still use JOVIAL?
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Obligatory FORTRAN Story of Mel link: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
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Arglebargle III posted:Reagan's dead hand strikes again! Not really. The US Government hasn't been the technical lead on anything meaningful since Apollo, for good reason. A nuclear lab run by actual civil servants would be a smouldering crater by noon. (Not to excuse the contractors. Government is at least supposed to (and can be) good at oversight.) Smiling Jack posted:Obligatory FORTRAN Story of Mel link: By any reasonable standard that's a horror story. It's undocumented, hardware-specific, deliberately causes an overflow (in pointer arithmetic!), and is effectively a GOTO. Mel is the reason legacy code makes people want to fling themselves out of windows.
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Godholio posted:Does anyone outside DOD still use JOVIAL? I loving hope not.
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Nebakenezzer posted:OK, stop me when the suprise grabs you: American nuclear weapons labs are now run privately, and they keep having hilarious safety violations, but the DoE just waves the fines so nothing is gonna change. And their safety record when they were run by the government was impeccable, what with the various criticality accidents and disposing of waste by burning it in open pits.
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Captain von Trapp posted:
Yeah, that's the point. Back in the days of yore, almost everything was a horrid poorly documented kludge of nightmares. Then people started demanding things like documentation and standards.
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Phanatic posted:And their safety record when they were run by the government was impeccable, what with the various criticality accidents and disposing of waste by burning it in open pits. Remember the other day when you were defending Hooker Chemical and the Love Canal? 
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SU-22 shot down over Syria dodged an AIM-9X before it was creamed by an AMRAAM the other day http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/news/a27094/su-22-dodge-aim-9x-sidewinder/
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Phanatic posted:And their safety record when they were run by the government was impeccable, what with the various criticality accidents and disposing of waste by burning it in open pits. Science cannot advance without pits!
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B4Ctom1 posted:SU-22 shot down over Syria dodged an AIM-9X before it was creamed by an AMRAAM the other day The AIM-9X missed because it wasn't tested against really old and lovely flares haha It's basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-pdk_FWh0&t=16s
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