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LPG Giant posted:After you finish the plateau you can find the doublet in the old man's hut! And you can buy spares in Hateno
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This is news to me!! But I'll probably warp back after I find this tower in the distance For this game you definitely have to make a list of what you want to accomplish in a given session because just getting around the plateau took me a few hours
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Jun 27, 2017 22:52
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LPG Giant posted:After you finish the plateau you can find the doublet in the old man's hut! I'm pretty sure my game thinks it's still there; the chest sensor keeps taking me there. I've checked the cliff walls and can't find any that might be throwing it off. Anyone else getting that?
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Jun 27, 2017 23:24
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Imagined posted:I've always been of the opinion that if something is both immensely popular and critically adored, it takes a special kind of arrogance to insist that, in effect, you're the only one smart enough to see that it actually sucks. It seems like the more reasonable conclusion if you find yourself not enjoying a piece of art that literally everyone, public and experts alike, seem to love, that you would just keep your mouth shut or say, "It's not for me." I'd very much invite you to read through this old article that argues this subject from the perspective of Bioshock Infinite reviews. I'd quote specific parts, but I'd have to quote so much because it covers this subject very thoroughly. It covers majority versus minority opinions, critics vs reviewers vs public, subjectivity and objectivity, and lots more about the nature of video game reviews/judgements. There's a section that contends specifically, "It's not my thing", as you brought up. It has a harsh tone, but it does so for a very specific reason. It's a bit lengthy, but that's because it needs to address many things on this tricky subject. Back to Jonathon Blow, in all likeliness he may not be a good video game reviewer. However, that doesn't mean anyone who disagrees with the consensus is a bad reviewer. And someone who takes a stand for their own judgement and values doesn't mean they are a bad reviewer either.
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Jun 28, 2017 00:58
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Ventana posted:I'd very much invite you to read through this old article that argues this subject from the perspective of Bioshock Infinite reviews. I'd quote specific parts, but I'd have to quote so much because it covers this subject very thoroughly. It covers majority versus minority opinions, critics vs reviewers vs public, subjectivity and objectivity, and lots more about the nature of video game reviews/judgements. There's a section that contends specifically, "It's not my thing", as you brought up. That's a good article, but I don't think it applies to Blow's reactions to BOTW at all. They're shallow and informed by him either not observing obvious things or him clearly ignoring them/intentionally playing badly to justify them.
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Jun 28, 2017 01:21
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Oh I wasn't trying to really relate that article to Blow himself. That's why I added the bottom part of the post to say Blow is not a good reviewer. The article is mostly for that posters argument. You can't really trust Blow's opinion in the same way you can't trust a movie critic who closed their eyes for the entire movie. There is a difference between trying something and not liking it for specific reasons, and then there's not even attempting to engage the game. Blow is purposely being a dumbass in that stream and hiding behind "that's just how I think, bro" as if it's a shield from other opinions (which is not the point). Ventana fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 01:28
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I find the controls to be really good. I changed the jump button to B and it feels like your regular action adventure game. Pretty intuitive honestly. How do I cook while on the go? Haven't seen another of those pot things since I jumped off the plateau
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Jun 28, 2017 01:31
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Carlosologist posted:I find the controls to be really good. I changed the jump button to B and it feels like your regular action adventure game. Pretty intuitive honestly. There are cooking pots at almost every town and stable, and you can build a campfire to roast single pieces of meat for a quick top-off
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Jun 28, 2017 01:34
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Carlosologist posted:This is news to me!! But I'll probably warp back after I find this tower in the distance Or you can do what I do and just wander aimlessly, following interesting distractions as you come across them, not caring whether you soon achieve the objective you originally started out for. There's no one right way to play the game, and that's one of its greatest qualities.
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Jun 28, 2017 01:38
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:I could sail around hoping my shrine sensor goes off, but there's a good chance it's going to be another test of strength shrine which rewards me with a weapon worse than the stuff I'm already holding. On my last few shrines I had a moment where Link was coming down the elevator and I recognized the water in the background. Not just "walk up and take the shrine" water, fighting water. Got me all amped up. There's something to be said about those fights either being ridiculously hard or trivialized by great gear. I really liked the alternate fights where you have to use the ice or magnet to make the 'pillar' for the guardian to whack into on the spinning attack, but my brother got through the game without realizing those were even options with a much more aggressive style. If you're totally convinced the game's trivial and not providing enough challenge, you could always speed run it. Record w/ Epona from an Amiibo is still 38 minutes? Granted, I'm not a fan of stasis jumps and probably won't ever get the timing down. But I have done a <12 hour run hitting a couple of the dungeons and that last fight takes some serious effort without outside prep.
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Ventana posted:I'd very much invite you to read through this old article that argues this subject from the perspective of Bioshock Infinite reviews. I'd quote specific parts, but I'd have to quote so much because it covers this subject very thoroughly. It covers majority versus minority opinions, critics vs reviewers vs public, subjectivity and objectivity, and lots more about the nature of video game reviews/judgements. There's a section that contends specifically, "It's not my thing", as you brought up. You know what, this was really good and gave me a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing it with me. Without realizing it, I actually felt the same way (intensely underwhelmed) by some of the same games as this reviewer (Skyrim, Bioshock Infinite) but just shrugged and kept my mouth shut so as not to appear contrarian in the face of something seemingly everyone else liked or "poo poo on the salad", as my wife likes to say instead of "rain on their parade", of people who did like those things. That being said, Blow is still a dick.
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That's a great article. I was bitching about Bioshock Infinite in another thread and that guy explains it way better. BotW is an immeasurably better game than Infinite (which is garbage), but it's drat near completely gushing critical reception does make me roll my eyes a bit and feel the same division that guy is writing in the last several segments of that piece.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:46
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Haha I just discovered that if you use the Zora armor to swim up the waterfall coming off the Great Plateau it starts doing the major freezing water damage about halfway up. Would be an interesting way to die. Also I drowned in the tiny waterfall by the lost treasure from the "little twin" quest by running out of stamina at the top and then falling into it.
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Imagined posted:You know what, this was really good and gave me a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing it with me. Without realizing it, I actually felt the same way (intensely underwhelmed) by some of the same games as this reviewer (Skyrim, Bioshock Infinite) but just shrugged and kept my mouth shut so as not to appear contrarian in the face of something seemingly everyone else liked or "poo poo on the salad", as my wife likes to say instead of "rain on their parade", of people who did like those things. I was pretty much the same way before the article came out. It's a lot easier to try to avoid confrontation on these subjective things. In reading that article again, I think the important thing to remember is that behind every review and judgement is a human. Someone with emotions and values. We shouldn't restrain those aspects, because in the end it'll restrain both ourselves (our values, the judgements based on those values, and expressions of those values) and others (without listening to other viewpoints, we'll never expand our own horizons). We shouldn't have to forcibly make people settle on the middle, or tell them not to express those. We can settle on "agree to disagree", but not use that line as a cover to avoid discussion. It sucks because it DOES mean that you'll have to put up with things like the occasional Jonathon Blow opinion. People with viewpoints that seem crazy to you. But as long as they are in good faith you can still maybe find something of value from a discussion, even if you ultimately disagree. And that's where this Blow stream fails. It's not because he's biased; biased would at least mean he's expressing some sort of values or have a narrative behind him. No, he's just stifling discussion. He reads the chat but doesn't engage with them. He blindly attacks random things in the game without narrative or reason, and under false pretenses (cause there's no way he really is that dumb). If he can't be honest in his viewpoints, then there really is no discussion to be had. So in short Imagined posted:Blow is still a dick. p.s. that guy also has a pretty cool take on Botw as well, if you read down his quick thoughts on this twitter thread https://twitter.com/tevisthompson/status/846780435422068736
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One of the loading screen hints mentions a'vendor at the far reaches of the continent that trades in heart and stamina vessels.' Is that actually a vendor for hearts and such, just a statue like all the rest, or the respec one? I would just Google it, but I'd rather get hints about it as opposed to straight up what it is.
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Jun 28, 2017 06:54
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Dimo ArKacho posted:One of the loading screen hints mentions a'vendor at the far reaches of the continent that trades in heart and stamina vessels.' Is that actually a vendor for hearts and such, just a statue like all the rest, or the respec one? I would just Google it, but I'd rather get hints about it as opposed to straight up what it is. Respec statue.
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Jun 28, 2017 06:56
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Respec statue. God dammit. I was hoping for some weird cave or island with exorbitantly priced hearts.
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Jun 28, 2017 06:58
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I like the big horse, because it's large enough that you can ride over other riders with it and if you talk to a traveler on it, you can instantly run over them when they aggro.
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Dimo ArKacho posted:One of the loading screen hints mentions a'vendor at the far reaches of the continent that trades in heart and stamina vessels.' The "far reaches" bit should definitely have been rewritten, since Hateno is literally the second place the story sends you after leaving the plateau.
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Jun 28, 2017 07:05
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Supercar Gautier posted:The "far reaches" bit should definitely have been rewritten, since Hateno is literally the second place the story sends you after leaving the plateau. Someone earlier said its name in Japanese translates to something like "World's End", I think.
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Jun 28, 2017 07:15
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Runcible Cat posted:Someone earlier said its name in Japanese translates to something like "World's End", I think. And that actually makes more sense because Hateno is described as one of the places untouched by Calamity Ganon's corruption.
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Jun 28, 2017 07:17
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So I used an Amibo and got Epona.......on the Great Plateau. There is no way off for a horse, is there?
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Jun 28, 2017 07:55
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BioTech posted:So I used an Amibo and got Epona.......on the Great Plateau. Nope!
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Jun 28, 2017 08:09
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http://zelda.com/breath-of-the-wild/news/dlc-pack-one-countdown-tingles-outfit/
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Jun 28, 2017 08:25
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Ventana posted:In reading that article again, I think the important thing to remember is that behind every review and judgement is a human. My reading of the article was basically "THINK! PLEASE THINK FOR YOURSELF! GODDAMMIT JUST LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE PLAYING AND THINK!" But yeah, agreed on all points, pretty cool article. Still not sure I can trust a man that gives Super Metroid a 5 but he's much more well spoken and articulate than myself so he's more than worth reading.
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BioTech posted:So I used an Amibo and got Epona.......on the Great Plateau. Nope but don't worry she'll show up again eventually if you keep using the Amiibo.
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BioTech posted:So I used an Amibo and got Epona.......on the Great Plateau. Scan the TP Link amiibo, and you can get a second Epona.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:My reading of the article was basically "THINK! PLEASE THINK FOR YOURSELF! GODDAMMIT JUST LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE PLAYING AND THINK!" I'm sorry, what? I don't want to look this up because it will make me irrationally angry.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:42
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Reinanigans posted:I'm sorry, what? I don't want to look this up because it will make me irrationally angry. Basically he thought the first game was much more hostile, menacing and mysterious while the second was "just a game".
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Jun 28, 2017 14:40
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Yeah how he views sequels and how they shouldn't be "More of the same/a good thing." is where Tevis kind of loses me. Not in the sense that a sequel shouldn't try and do anything new, but that a well made entry that keeps a good thing going without loving things up is worthy of scorn rather than contentment. I actually saw his declining view of the Souls series coming a mile away after seeing how they approaches sequels when he first talked about how much of a revelation playing Demon's Souls was. Dark Souls having already been released after he said that, I knew if they kept making more entries into the series he'd start getting less and less enamored with the franchise until... https://twitter.com/tevisthompson/status/750438980953399296
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One of the interesting things about video games as a medium is the tension between their multifaceted nature as simultaneously works of narrative, works of visual art, and consumer products. Should this be evaluated like a movie, like a comic book, or like a pinball table? Is the most important or interesting thing about it the mechanics? The presentation? The immersion of the player into the world? Or the story? Different people have different values and weigh all these things differently on a per-game and per-genre basis. Frankly, a lot of video game critics are heavy on the consumer product aspect and go light on the rest because that's the most "objective" and least controversial way not to piss off both their readers and the industry they depend on.
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Imagined posted:Basically he thought the first game was much more hostile, menacing and mysterious while the second was "just a game". And what did he think of Super Metroid?
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Har har you knew what I meant. Edit: "Super Metroid" = "the second one" because my parents didn't love me and I never had a Gameboy. Imagined fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Imagined posted:Har har you knew what I meant. No? You shared his thoughts on Metroid 1 and 2; I'm curious what he thought of 3 (especially if 2 wasn't "hostile" enough for him or whatever)
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Jun 28, 2017 15:01
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Metroid 2 is but a myth, a legend if you will...
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Imagined posted:Frankly, a lot of video game critics are heavy on the consumer product aspect and go light on the rest because that's the most "objective" and least controversial way not to piss off both their readers and the industry they depend on. I really wish the gaming world would move past this. I know its partly due to the comparatively high price of games compared to other media, but still I think its a far more negative tendency than a positive one.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:06
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Capitalism should leave to make videogames better
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I finally hit 50% completion today. Can't wait for the korok mask on Friday, that'll make finding the rest a helluva lot easier.
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Jonathan Blow seems bad at video games and mad that everything's not a dot puzzle. Also his games aren't fun
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JawnV6 posted:There's something to be said about those fights either being ridiculously hard or trivialized by great gear. I really liked the alternate fights where you have to use the ice or magnet to make the 'pillar' for the guardian to whack into on the spinning attack, but my brother got through the game without realizing those were even options with a much more aggressive style. I didn't know those were options either. I died a few times on those fights till my five year old pointed out the obvious.
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