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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Will ask her tomorrow as she's in bed, but it's definitely been marked for longer than that. 2014 had a lot up at the visitor centre I think cos they did a big weekend for the 700th anniversary.
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Puppy mamer in chief Nicola Sturgeon is about to make an important speech about (wait for it) Scottish independence. Any chance she'll announce UDI?
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Jun 27, 2017 10:32
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Pissflaps posted:Puppy mamer in chief Oh gently caress off with that. It's only for working dogs, who suffer awful injuries to their tails if they don't have it docked, and the law requires a vet sign off on it before it is docked. I'm no animal lover or hater, I'm fairly ambivalent about the whole thing, but that's ridiculous and you know it.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:38
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mehall posted:Oh gently caress off with that. Could you not just ban hunting with dogs?
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Jun 27, 2017 10:42
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Bit of a curious story this, but always nice to hear hints of disquiet within the Tory ranks. An internal Tory spat over MEP selection isn't exactly going to do much to destabilise the Ruth Davidson Party brand, but the suggestion that their party discipline isn't all that great is pretty encouraging. I imagine all Scottish (and most British Tories generally) will see Davidson's status as an electoral asset as far outweighing any personal dissatisfaction they have over how she's running the party, but nice to see the suggestion of discord, especially at the level of party activists. Tom Gordon: Dispute over Scotland's next MEP shines a light on Tory intrigue quote:ONE of the more intriguing political stories this week concerned the inner workings of the Scottish Conservatives. Like sausage making, the detail of how parties work is usually screened from public view for reasons of good taste. But when the curtain is pulled back, those with strong stomachs have a chance to learn something new.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:46
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Carnivores once again being hypocrites about puppies but happy to continue with the mass slaughter of domestic farm animals.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:47
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Aramoro posted:Could you not just ban hunting with dogs? It covers more than just that: (1) Law Enforcement (2) Activities of the armed force (3) Emergency Rescue (4) Lawful pest control (5) Lawful shooting of animals.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:49
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keep punching joe posted:Carnivores once again being hypocrites about puppies but happy to continue with the mass slaughter of domestic farm animals. If we were killing and eating the dogs I would still say we shouldn't dock their tails. quote:It covers more than just that: Assuming their Spaniels or Hunt Point Retrievers, this is a hunting lobby bill and it's really a stretch to pretend otherwise. I mean the British Veterinary Association Scotland opposed the change and the Gamekeepers Association supported that should tell you all you really need to know surly. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 11:01
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Seems that Sturgeon agrees with May about Scottish independence. Now is not the time. She's bottled it.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:36
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RIP Scottish Independence. If only she'd done this before the election. We could be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn in a progressive partnership with the SNP instead of the lunacy of the current government.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:46
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Baron Corbyn posted:RIP Scottish Independence. If only she'd done this before the election. We could be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn in a progressive partnership with the SNP instead of the lunacy of the current government. She's done part of her job then. gently caress up Labour. The only thing better for the SNP than achieving independence is to keep Britain under Tory rule. Fits the narrative much better than splitting from a progressive left wing government.
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Jun 27, 2017 22:14
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Regarde Aduck posted:She's done part of her job then. gently caress up Labour. The only thing better for the SNP than achieving independence is to keep Britain under Tory rule. Fits the narrative much better than splitting from a progressive left wing government. Wait til Brexit gets going properly and not even the Absolute Boy can save it.
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Jun 27, 2017 23:53
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It's progressive as hell that Scottish independence supporters want the UK to become so intolerable for poor people that they see nationalism as the only solution.
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Jun 27, 2017 23:58
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Coohoolin posted:Wait til Brexit gets going properly and not even the Absolute Boy can save it. A United Kingdom under Corbyn divorced from the European Union is more feasible and sustainable than an independent Scotland, friend. Pissflaps posted:It's progressive as hell that Scottish independence supporters want the UK to become so intolerable for poor people that they see nationalism as the only solution. b-b-but the Aberdeen council 
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Jun 28, 2017 05:24
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Baron Corbyn posted:A United Kingdom under Corbyn divorced from the European Union is more feasible and sustainable than an independent Scotland, friend. It also sounds like it could be pretty dang good, to be perfectly honest.
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Jun 28, 2017 08:04
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"im not publicly owned! im not publicly owned!!", the nationalist continues to insist as its voteshare slowly shrinks and transform into a cor bins
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Jun 28, 2017 08:31
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It is not enough that the snp are boring centrists that have overplayed their hand, they must literally thirst for the blood of children. They must lie awake at night deciding the best way for poor people to suffer. Only then can I get into the proper vinegar strokes here on the something awful forums.
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Jun 28, 2017 08:46
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Don't forget the puppy mutilation.
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Jun 28, 2017 08:50
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I'd really like to believe that your concern for this issue is out of a sincere lifelong passion for animal rights, flaps, I would so love to believe that
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Jun 28, 2017 09:02
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So only those with a verified 'lifelong passion for animal rights' can have concerns about dogs having their tails cut off. I see.
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Jun 28, 2017 09:08
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Angepain posted:It is not enough that the snp are boring centrists that have overplayed their hand, they must literally thirst for the blood of children. They must lie awake at night deciding the best way for poor people to suffer. Only then can I get into the proper vinegar strokes here on the something awful forums. it's not that they want poor people to suffer, it's that they obviously decided that it was acceptable losses in pursuit of their goal of independence when they tried to play up English thumbpeople fears of a Labour government in the pocket of the SNP in 2015 (successfully) and 2017 (unsuccessfully) to get the Tory government that would make that goal more attractive.
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Jun 28, 2017 09:12
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Baron Corbyn posted:when they tried to play up English thumbpeople fears of a Labour government in the pocket of the SNP in 2015 (successfully) and 2017 (unsuccessfully) to get the Tory government that would make that goal more attractive. Those posters were printed by the Tories though? What actual actions would you want the SNP to have done differently in those elections, other than disband and ask people not to vote for them?
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Jun 28, 2017 09:50
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Angepain posted:Those posters were printed by the Tories though? What actual actions would you want the SNP to have done differently in those elections, other than disband and ask people not to vote for them? To not stand for Westminster as they can't achieve anything there, in exchange for extracting pledges of support for Scotland from both major parties? Probably impractical to be fair, but still better than loving the left wing.
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Jun 28, 2017 10:00
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Jedit posted:To not stand for Westminster as they can't achieve anything there, in exchange for extracting pledges of support for Scotland from both major parties? Probably impractical to be fair, but still better than loving the left wing. Just to be clear, you think that in the 2017 election, the mistake the party who won 50% of the votes in 2015 made was to stand candidates?
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Jun 28, 2017 11:50
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Alan G posted:Just to be clear, you think that in the 2017 election, the mistake the party who won 50% of the votes in 2015 made was to stand candidates? really depends on your long term objectives, which is central to his point. they both won Scotland and ensured Scotland would have no role in government. if your intention is "to get Scotland out of the UK" that's a great result, if it's "accomplish anything like your progressive rhetoric" it's disastrous
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Jun 28, 2017 11:54
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It's not fair to say they achieved nothing. They stopped shops in England opening on Sunday.
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Jun 28, 2017 12:26
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Angepain posted:Those posters were printed by the Tories though? What actual actions would you want the SNP to have done differently in those elections, other than disband and ask people not to vote for them? Constantly saying "Yes, the Tories are right, we will dominate a Labour coalition - Why, Alex Salmond is going to write the budget, not Ed Balls! LOLOLOLLERS!" wasn't exactly helpful
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Jun 28, 2017 12:46
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I know this thread is pretty down on the SNP these days, but blaming them for English idiots being afraid of a coalition is really stupid. The SNP letting the Scottish public know that they will support a Labour govt and oppose a Tory one is a statement aimed at Scottish voters who might be afraid to vote SNP out of fear of the tories getting in. It's not some 11 dimensional chess to help the tories.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:25
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In 2015 the SNP and the Tories both benefitted from the idea that the nationalists would wag the labour dog. They both fed into that narrative.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:29
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A Labour/SNP government with Ed in Nicola's pocket would have been good IMO.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:38
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The SNP are rubbish but loving hell the shite some regulars in this thread come out with is insane. Yes Jedit, truly, the SNP should just not stand for election because you don't like them.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:40
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marktheando posted:A Labour/SNP government with Ed in Nicola's pocket would have been good IMO. well, yes. it would be good for Scotland. that's kind of the point
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Jun 28, 2017 13:43
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forkboy84 posted:The SNP are rubbish but loving hell the shite some regulars in this thread come out with is insane. Yes Jedit, truly, the SNP should just not stand for election because you don't like them. Wouldn't you prefer it if UKIP didn't stand for election?
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Jun 28, 2017 13:43
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CoolCab posted:well, yes. it would be good for Scotland. that's kind of the point It would have been good for all of the UK.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:47
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CoolCab posted:really depends on your long term objectives, which is central to his point. they both won Scotland and ensured Scotland would have no role in government. So, you're basically saying scotland should only ever align itself with and vote for a party the majority of England votes for if it wants a 'role' in the UK?
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Jun 28, 2017 13:48
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marktheando posted:I know this thread is pretty down on the SNP these days, but blaming them for English idiots being afraid of a coalition is really stupid. you're very naive if you think the SNP higher ups didn't like having a Tory government they could use as a bogeyman to boost support for independence.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:50
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Pissflaps posted:Wouldn't you prefer it if UKIP didn't stand for election? I'd prefer it if they didn't exist. I'd prefer if the Tories didn't exist, and that we lived in a worldwide, internationalist, peaceful, egalitarian, socialist utopia but it's hardly adding anything by just screaming UKIP BAD constantly. They do exist. They exist because people don't like the EU, rightly or wrongly. Rather than pitiful mewling about the SNP standing candidates in Westminster elections, perhaps Jedit & others of his viewpoint would be better placed on discussing how we stop the SNP winning seats. Because that's not fanciful bollocks. We could address the longstanding issues around Scottish Labour for instance. Give me an SNP MP in rural places like North Perthshire over a Tory every day of the week. Better Angus Robertson than that prat referee who beat him. Because that's who would be winning most of the rural seats that the SNP have held in the past, as was shown in this years election. The main exception is the Highlands where despite everything the Lib Dems are still the major opposition to the Nats. Maybe Unionist fundamentalists like Jedit prefer Tory MPs to Nats, but I'd even take a Tartan Tory like Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh over an actual Tory who doesn't just follow the line put out by the SNP leadership. Which, yes, is often self-serving & more about image than action, but is still considerably better than Tory MPs who have given May enough MPs to hold on with a DUP deal.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:54
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Kin posted:So, you're basically saying scotland should only ever align itself with and vote for a party the majority of England votes for if it wants a 'role' in the UK? Scotland can do as Scotland pleases- I'm saying the SNP have a very strong perverse incentive to ensure that Scotland's MPs do not have a role in government, and that has informed their behaviour. Again- a Corbyn government would be disastrous for their long term goals- it's much easier to paint an "us versus them" narrative when the "them" are panto villains.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:55
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You can't and shouldn't expect the SNP to do anything other than try and win seats in Scotland and to push forward their own agenda (including independence). Its harmful to Labour that they're getting crowded out of Scotland and it's helping the Tories win elections, but it's not unfair that it's happening. Getting beat by a different party is harmful to your party by definition, and people are voting for a different party that has a big difference in one of its ideologies. The SNP and Labour aren't on the same team.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:58
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Baron Corbyn posted:you're very naive if you think the SNP higher ups didn't like having a Tory government they could use as a bogeyman to boost support for independence. This line of "thinking" is stupid. Sure, it theoretically makes the argument for independence a little easier, but regardless, it's an argument that was lost. And trying to stoke it back up was hugely unpopular even with some pro-independence supporters. But it also makes the job of the Scottish government harder because more Tory government means more tax cuts which means a decreased Barnett formula & the SNP will eventually either have to make cuts while blaming the Tories (which has limited mileage considering a lot of the case in 2014 was based on SNP competence in government, whether that was actually the case or not is an argument I can't be hosed having but is certainly hugely debatable) or they will have to finally use their tax raising powers. Which funnily would make the SNP more appealing to me (or at least they would if not for Jeremy Corbyn's rebuilding of the Labour Party into a good party again) but they seem utterly terrified of doing and would rather avoid being put into the corner of having to do so, because the SNP are rubbish. It's almost as if things are more complex than tedious mewling of SNP BAD.
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Jun 28, 2017 14:00
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