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So de Rugy who as a participant to the ps primary promised to support the winner and then was the first to quit to join macron got his 30 pieces of silver and was elected president of the National Assembly with 353 votes on 543.
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SA_Avenger posted:Democratic Republic of China isn't democratic and the Parti Socialiste isn't socialist. i dont pick the names also gently caress Rugy, the loving piece of poo poo, en marche is turning out to be quite the nests of vipers.
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SA_Avenger posted:Democratic Republic of China isn't democratic and the Parti Socialiste isn't socialist. There's no such entity as the Democratic Republic of China so it hardly could be democratic. But I suppose the PS won't exist soon either.
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fishmech posted:There's no such entity as the Democratic Republic of China so it hardly could be democratic. But I suppose the PS won't exist soon either. I was about to say, there is only The People's Republic of China and The Republic of China.
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fishmech posted:There's no such entity as the Democratic Republic of China so it hardly could be democratic. But I suppose the PS won't exist soon either.
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Jun 27, 2017 18:38
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The United Kingdom doesn't even have a king!
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big scary monsters posted:The United Kingdom doesn't even have a king! Let me tell you about the Holy Roman Empire
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What do you guys think is really going on with this Google court case?
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The DPRK posted:What do you guys think is really going on with this Google court case? Pretty much what it says on the tin? The EU and DG COMP haven't been shy about going after mega-business, especially in the online world. The fines and verdicts delivered are pretty good in fact, and there's no surprise that they've slapped Google across the chops; it was signalled months in advance. The question is what retaliatory fine will the US administration give an EU company.
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Jun 28, 2017 11:48
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The DPRK posted:What do you guys think is really going on with this Google court case? The EU, unlike the US, is recognizing the fact that internet is largely controlled by monopolies and duopolies and is setting out do something about it. This particular slapfight with Google is over a decade in the making and if you've been paying attention you've seen signs of it over the years. (like how Google has been self-regulating in a wide variety of ways in the EU to avoid giving more fuel to the anti-trust arguments) It seems like this finally broke the camel's back though.
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The US and EU should really just get together and start to break up companies like Alphabet so that the free market can actually work again.
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Jun 28, 2017 12:09
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I always thought that Google would get pulled up on tax evasion before anything like this. Speaking as someone who works with Google search results in my job, it's hard to see what a fair resolution looks like for Google, competing services and consumers. It wouldn't be fair to scrap it, since I can speak personally for how useful it is for those who advertise on it. It would make sense to include other services within the top of page shopping section, but it's unlikely they would achieve equitable rankings without compensatory changes to the algorithm.
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Jun 28, 2017 12:17
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The DPRK posted:I always thought that Google would get pulled up on tax evasion before anything like this. That'll be a bit more difficult as at least 3 (if not more) EU countries have benefited from tax evasion strategies (NL, LUX, IR).
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Jun 28, 2017 12:22
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GaussianCopula posted:The US and EU should really just get together and start to break up companies like Alphabet so that the free market can actually work again. The free market is what leads to monopolies and megacorps. Dismantle this cultural delusion that we should care what corporations think.
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Jun 28, 2017 12:26
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GaussianCopula posted:The US and EU should really just get together and start to break up companies like Alphabet so that they are replaced by nationalized entities with the public interest at heart
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Jun 28, 2017 12:37
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GaussianCopula posted:The US and EU should really just get together and start to break up companies like Alphabet so that the free market can actually work again. That's socialism.
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lollontee posted:That's socialism. Nope, just the sign of a healthy social market economy. And neither is Flower for Algeria's version socialism. His version is planned economy, which inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse. Of course, the only difference to privately owned companies in a free economy is a matter of scale. In a crisis, individual companies may escape the worst parts and continue working. If a state owning many, many companies enters a crisis, welp. That's it then. See Soviet Union for Exhibit A. Oh wait you can't 
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Jun 28, 2017 13:29
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Namarrgon posted:The free market is what leads to monopolies and megacorps. Dismantle this cultural delusion that we should care what corporations think. Htbh, Gosplan was the biggest monopoly and megacorp in all of human history. Had really bad corporate culture and the workers earned poo poo while upper management lived like kings. Also, everything they made sucked rear end and constantly broke down. Glad they went out of business
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Libluini posted:And neither is Flower for Algeria's version socialism. His version is planned economy, which inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse. quote:Among the fully owned corporations (51% or more) of the French Republic are: Five seconds on Wikipedia and I'm seeing a tiny hole in your argument. It's the one where we have electricity and trains in France.
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Jun 28, 2017 13:48
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I think it could be argued that many of the services that Alphabet provides might as well be nationalized. Google especially is just a basic part of internet infrastructure at this point and Alphabet is basically just collecting rent on it for all eternity through its monopoly. If there is no significant innovation or competition happening then having something reside in the private sector is pointless.
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MiddleOne posted:I think it could be argued that many of the services that Alphabet provides might as well be nationalized. Google especially is just a basic part of internet infrastructure at this point and Alphabet is basically just collecting rent on it for all eternity through its monopoly. If there is no significant innovation or competition happening then having something reside in the private sector is pointless. Except it provides such a vital service worldwide that it should not be nationalized, but internationalized and placed under the control of the UN.
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Jun 28, 2017 14:14
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Libluini posted:Nope, just the sign of a healthy social market economy. And neither is Flower for Algeria's version socialism. His version is planned economy, which inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse. Of course, the only difference to privately owned companies in a free economy is a matter of scale. In a crisis, individual companies may escape the worst parts and continue working. If a state owning many, many companies enters a crisis, welp. That's it then. I notice I touched a nerve eh? But do go on, I wanna hear why the free markets constantly need the state to bail them out in a crisis. You know, all that talk about how the free markets are so superior to everything comes across a bit hypocritical when the supposedly free markets need trillions of euros to survive and without intervention seem to result in monopolies like google. butt soviet union
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Htbh, Gosplan was the biggest monopoly and megacorp in all of human history. Had really bad corporate culture and the workers earned poo poo while upper management lived like kings. Also, everything they made sucked rear end and constantly broke down. Glad they went out of business Russia is doing so well today too. It seems like Russia regardless of what ideology is in vogue with it's state is just a shithole.
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Kassad posted:Five seconds on Wikipedia and I'm seeing a tiny hole in your argument. It's the one where we have electricity and trains in France. If you had spend those five seconds thinking instead of searching Wikipedia, you would have realized that there's a tiny difference between having some nationally owned companies and dismantling and nationalizing multiple huge, global corporations.
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lollontee posted:I notice I touched a nerve eh? But do go on, I wanna hear why the free markets constantly need the state to bail them out in a crisis. You know, all that talk about how the free markets are so superior to everything comes across a bit hypocritical when the supposedly free markets need trillions of euros to survive and without intervention seem to result in monopolies like google. That's funny. You are funny. You do realize our social market economy would be seen as blood red communism by those free market type guys, yes?
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The word "nationalization" should probably be abandoned because it is associated with silly ideas like the lawful and just compensation for the appropriation of the means of production. I'm much more partial to "confiscations", myself.
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^^^ Reappropriations Libluini posted:Nope, just the sign of a healthy social market economy. And neither is Flower for Algeria's version socialism. His version is planned economy, which inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse. The US and the UK didn't collapse when they ran a planned economy. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Libluini posted:If you had spend those five seconds thinking instead of searching Wikipedia, you would have realized that there's a tiny difference between having some nationally owned companies and dismantling and nationalizing multiple huge, global corporations. That's nice, but you were saying that nationally owned companies "inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse".
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Libluini posted:That's funny. You are funny. You do realize our social market economy would be seen as blood red communism by those free market type guys, yes? I thought you said that the soviet union
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The markets must work and be perfect because the soviet union was bad.
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Orange Devil posted:^^^ While being technicaly correct (the best kind of correct) the us planned economy gave rise to the Military industrial complex.ff 70 years and now we have a plane that catches on fire after it rains.só clearly the solution is running a planned economy but shoot everyone at the top after like 7 years.you know,so that things dont get stale.
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Instead of cumbersome regulations and oversight comities and ethical guidelines my "shoot everyone after 7 years policy" IS much more cost eficient,simple and nimble.its what the free Market would have wanted
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Instead of cumbersome regulations and oversight comities and ethical guidelines my "shoot everyone after 7 years policy" IS much more cost eficient,simple and nimble.its what the free Market would have wanted Death to all managers, in the medium term. I can get behind this policy.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Instead of cumbersome regulations and oversight comities and ethical guidelines my "shoot everyone after 7 years policy" IS much more cost eficient,simple and nimble.its what the free Market would have wanted Saves on pensions too!
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ChainsawCharlie posted:While being technicaly correct (the best kind of correct) the us planned economy gave rise to the Military industrial complex.ff 70 years and now we have a plane that catches on fire after it rains.só clearly the solution is running a planned economy but shoot everyone at the top after like 7 years.you know,so that things dont get stale. Well clearly you just didn't plan hard enough.
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Orange Devil posted:The US and the UK didn't collapse when they ran a planned economy. oh cmon you cant just bring real life examples, the theory is airtight!!!
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Electronico6 posted:It seems like Russia regardless of what ideology is in vogue with it's state is just a shithole. It takes very little to govern good people. Very little. And bad people can't be governed at all. Or if they could I never heard of it.
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Kassad posted:That's nice, but you were saying that nationally owned companies "inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse".
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Kassad posted:That's nice, but you were saying that nationally owned companies "inevitably leads to mismanagement, corruption and total collapse". No, I said that massive amounts of nationalization inevitably leads to that. Some nationally owned, or partially owned companies are OK to have. Having only some companies owned by the state doesn't magically change its economy into a planned one! I mean I am forced to say this on account on living in the best economic system ever, which is essentially what we got after Adenauer's finance minister cruelly stapled communism and capitalism together to create the Frankensteinian (but really well working) monster that is social market economy. And I have no idea what Orange Devil was going on about UK, US and planned economy. Was he talking about wartime economies? He can't be that stupid oh wait this is D&D I just answered my own question, right? 
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:It takes very little to govern good people. Very little. And bad people can't be governed at all. Or if they could I never heard of it. Sheriff Bell is against Obamacare and gun control and big gubermint.
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