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Max Wilco posted:I think what Bakaneko is getting at is that some people look at the disdain towards people like Sargon, and they start applying towards people who they feel are the same. The problem is that they get so overzealous about it that they target people who aren't totally deserving of it, or are so relentless that it begins to alienate people. I def agree with bit on Moviebob, his mindset that will not only not help, it creates a disdain that only only continues the cycle. Sarcopenia posted:Didn't Edgar Wright get fired/quit because Marvel wanted him to jam a million useless cameos into antman, a movie he had wanted to make for over a decade. There was a lot of studio interference on Ant Man, according to Wright, which is odd, because they then let James Gunn have a free hand with GotG.
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Also he seems to work well as a figure if you don't necessarily see his strips as an attempt of some technical marvel ala Bill Watterson's. Andrew "You may have seen me draw every Phelous titlecard and guesting as a cartoon and games person" Dickman wrote a lil comic about it.Baka-nin posted:So anyway, Kim has just finished there review of Final Fantasy VIII, Again it's kind of amazing that I can watch this series and watch her take notice of far more indepth stuff than a good part of let's plays I watched, even if you could tell she skipped a bunch of the content and didn't bother to crack up some sort of material about the game development.
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PassTheRemote posted:I def agree with bit on Moviebob, his mindset that will not only not help, it creates a disdain that only only continues the cycle. From what I've gathered, Marvel wasn't happy with some of Wright's choices, Scott was more of a sleazeball than lovable goof and a few other details. They had the script re-written and Marvel's story is they added more of Hope into the movie, created Pena's character and let Rudd be more of the lovable Rudd everyone knows. Wright felt their changes made it way less of a Wright movie and walked as a result. I wish I could see his original script.
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More marvel movies should be set in the 60s and made to look like they were made in the 60s, like that one good xmen movie. That's my hot take.
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business hammocks posted:More movies should be set in the 60s-70s and made to look like they were made in the 60s-70s.
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MacheteZombie posted:created Pena's character
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Gorn Myson posted:Really? Pena is probably the best character in the entire Marvel movie franchise, I'm surprised it was something that shoved in there after they booted Wright out. Yeah it was an article from around the time Ant-man was hitting blu ray shelves iirc.
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business hammocks posted:Sky Captain hosed it all up. That one was bad before cameras ever rolled The Love Witch is a movie that recreates the 60s as much as possible while still being set in a modern setting. It's pretty fantastic.
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MacheteZombie posted:From what I've gathered, Marvel wasn't happy with some of Wright's choices, Scott was more of a sleazeball than lovable goof and a few other details. They had the script re-written and Marvel's story is they added more of Hope into the movie, created Pena's character and let Rudd be more of the lovable Rudd everyone knows. Wright felt their changes made it way less of a Wright movie and walked as a result. Yea you can argue that yea because of the MCU mandate we got a much less grim kinda movie but at the same times...Rudd is way better as the kinda lovable loser who has good intents than the (allegedly) just kinda pure scumbag character he was originally, and they gave a lot more screen time to the secondary characters who did make the story stronger. I'd love to see the original script but I can't pretend the movie we got for Ant-Man wasn't most likely the better option. Like, there's always gonna be two versions of Ant-Man, much like how any mass product with Wolverine in it has to decide if he's gruff but lovable snikt snkit bub Wolverine or the more animal like wounded survivor Logan. Both can be done well, and we've seen great versions of both, but you need to pick and stick with it. You also need to pick if you want troubled genius Ant-Man or the more bouncy 'I do what's right even if it's not what you agree with' kinda Ant-Man. I don't doubt Wright probably could make a really good troubled Ant-Man, but you can do a lot more with the more fun version.
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sexpig by night posted:I'd love to see the original script but I can't pretend the movie we got for Ant-Man wasn't most likely the better option. I'm more interested in just knowing the differences for certain than declaring which version was better.
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business hammocks posted:More marvel movies should be set in the 60s and made to look like they were made in the 60s, like that one good xmen movie. That's my hot take. First Class didn't look like a 60s movie at all business hammocks posted:Sky Captain hosed it all up.
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Also first class isn't a good movie anyway. It played to its strengths but it's strengths was letting Xavier and Mags chew scenery.
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Jimbot posted:They're not doing it right at all. Character growth and motivation often vanish between films. They have cross overs, but when it comes to having a cohesive world, they screw up the finer details. Insomuch that character x appears in character y's movie, they do a good job yeah. I gave up on the MCU having any character continuity between movies when the Avengers let Whedon throw in a "He's adopted" quip for Thor. I didn't even like the Thor movie, but the entire thing was super into driving the point home that Thor was 1) extremely honorable to a fault and 2) convinced that Loki was his brother, full stop. And then all that characterization just gets thrown out for a single line of joke. Of course, I am generally salty on Whedon. Dude gets way more cachet than he deserves.
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I think the MCU is pretty good when they're not doing origin stories. The Captain America sequels do particularly well, I think. My problem is that about half of the MCU films are origin stories where names and locations are plugged into a script-writing machine that spits out the same plot slightly adapted for the new hero.
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Puppy Time posted:I gave up on the MCU having any character continuity between movies when the Avengers let Whedon throw in a "He's adopted" quip for Thor. I didn't even like the Thor movie, but the entire thing was super into driving the point home that Thor was 1) extremely honorable to a fault and 2) convinced that Loki was his brother, full stop. And then all that characterization just gets thrown out for a single line of joke. Whedon is just not a good director. Avengers 1 is ok but cataclysmically falls out of steam in the third act. Avengers 2 is just a bad movie, period. His obsession with floaty action-scenes and every single loving line of dialogue being snark gets tiring so fast when it is put in a movie that goes on forever. New Butt Order posted:I think the MCU is pretty good when they're not doing origin stories. The Captain America sequels do particularly well, I think. My problem is that about half of the MCU films are origin stories where names and locations are plugged into a script-writing machine that spits out the same plot slightly adapted for the new hero. Someone needs to ban sky-lasers from blockbusters for at least a decade.
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Whedon's flaw is that he writes all the characters as trying to out snark each other all the time. It worked in the first Avengers because the characters were learning to trust each other and there was friction, but it didn't in Age of Ultron. That movie has James Spader as an evil robot, who is the title character, and he just vanishes for most of the film so they can set up future movies or have character beats that don't really work. The MCU is a mixed bag because you have so many writers and directors doing so many different genres and tones. Its "throw everything to the wall and see what sticks" approach is its strength and weakness. You get stuff which tries different things and works, like Antman or Guardians of the Galaxy or Luke Cage, but you get less interesting stuff like Thor 2 and Iron Fist.
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MacheteZombie posted:That one was bad before cameras ever rolled Yeah, watch Love Witch. The director basically did eeeeverything on that movie. Writing, directing, set decoration, wardrobe and probably a thousand other things. a big ol' loveletter to the genre and era.
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I’ve found that the Marvel TV shows tend to be a lot better than the films, on average. Same with the DC TV universe, although that has had a lot more ups and downs. The longer running time of a series seems to be a much better fit for these kinds of stories, since it allows them to introduce characters and set things up over the course of the entire show rather than having to cram everything into a single film. Especially if they also have to fit an origin story in there. The lower budget can be a problem but in a way I think it can also be a strength, since it encourages the writers to do their job properly rather than relying on pure visual spectacle to entertain the audience. Plus, TV producers seem somewhat more likely these days to take risks on experimental stuff like Legion, compared to the movies that prefer to play it safe.
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Counterpoint, every single Marvel Netflix Show at this point. Daredevil season 1 was cool, Jessica Jones was cool but kinda dragged, Luke Cage can't even make it to the half-point before things turn sour and then everything else has just been poo poo. I will give the Marvel movies props on not having any immortal ninja plotlines as of yet because thank god.
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Probably the smartest thing Legion did was keep the X-Men connection at arm's length, so it can actually be a show, rather a string of fan service and references. Aside from the quick references to Professor X later on, you have to know about the X-Men connection beforehand. As for the MCU stuff, the Netflix series are the right length, but Agents of Shield was way too long (22 episodes a season, with lots of filler and monster of the week episodes), so I had to drop it one season in, and it's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime in the UK. Agent Carter was wonderful - not too long, it felt connected to the larger MCU without pushing it in your face, it had its own identity and was fun. And it got cancelled. On the DC side, I dropped Gotham four episodes in when I saw it was 22 episodes a season. Quality over quantity! Even Supergirl, which I found charming, I'd had enough of after about ten episodes.
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The craziest thing I would allow if you give Tobey Maguire a role in the MCU is casting him as Peter Parker's dad. Otherwise, if you wanna give Maguire (or Garfield) a cameo, just have him be someone Spidey helps out one day. Maybe give him a line that's a wink and a nod to his own time as Spider-Man. On another note, The Vosgian Beast posted:That Universal Monsters thing will be good if and only if it leads to a revival of those Abbott and Costello style movies but with Key and Peele I never knew I needed this, and it'll suck so much when it doesn't happen.
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Bakeneko posted:If you ever get the opportunity to give Agents of Shield a second chance, you should. The first season was forced into a kind of “lower decks” mold where it and its characters were made to feel like they were playing second fiddle to the real heroes from the movies, but it broke out of that starting with the second season and was a lot better for it. Some subplots get resolved quicker than others but every episode now feels like it has meaning in the overall story arc. I just started watching Agents after burning out half into season 1, and it turns out yea basically exactly where I stopped the episode after is when it starts making its own plot that's...good? Also at the end of season one there's the literal funniest thing ever in the Marvel TV/Movie worlds. Spoilers for a legitimate big twist if you haven't finished season 1. Bill Paxton's character being teased as some season 2 gently caress off cyborg monster mash returning from 'death' only to be instantly vaporized by Coulson in a casual 'oh THERE'S where our man vaporizer is' thing made me laugh so loving hard.
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Bakeneko posted:If you ever get the opportunity to give Agents of Shield a second chance, you should. The first season was forced into a kind of “lower decks” mold where it and its characters were made to feel like they were playing second fiddle to the real heroes from the movies, but it broke out of that starting with the second season and was a lot better for it. Some subplots get resolved quicker than others but every episode now feels like it has meaning in the overall story arc. Shield was pretty good in a very Joss Wheedony way (not a bad thing in my book) when I last saw it I was a bit into the second season and it was still pretty good. I groaned my way through the first season of Gotham. To many winks and nods that didn't feel clever and kind of forced. It was also kind of sad to see that the young Bruce Wayne part of it took up so much space. It just seemed like they weren't confident in having a "Batman" story without Batman. Which is strange because the city of Gotham on it's own is really compelling and the villains have always been the most interesting part of that universe. I'll try to pick it up again to see what you mean because it sounds way better than the last episodes I saw. I loooved Jada Pinkett Smith for all the wrong reasons though. She just jumps into a scene, waves her stupid baseballbat around and camps up the whole thing.
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Sarcopenia posted:I loooved Jada Pinkett Smith for all the wrong reasons though. She just jumps into a scene, waves her stupid baseballbat around and camps up the whole thing. That's the only part of that show I can stand.
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^^^Yea and that rules, but then a few episodes later they do a big SERIOUS hosed UP SERIAL KILLER story and we're expected to not go 'well one of these fuckin sucks then'.I Before E posted:That's the only part of that show I can stand. If Gotham was full old school batman camp with her as the big bad it'd be the best super hero show on TV
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Sarcopenia posted:I groaned my way through the first season of Gotham. To many winks and nods that didn't feel clever and kind of forced. It was also kind of sad to see that the young Bruce Wayne part of it took up so much space. It just seemed like they weren't confident in having a "Batman" story without Batman. Which is strange because the city of Gotham on it's own is really compelling and the villains have always been the most interesting part of that universe. I'll try to pick it up again to see what you mean because it sounds way better than the last episodes I saw. It definitely should have set itself later in the timeline, right before Bruce starts Batman-ing instead of right after the death of the Waynes. Keep it all focused on Gordon trying to deal with the crime and corruption of the city. It even lends itself to a better end point. Let the last season be an adaptation of Batman: Year One.
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OldMemes posted:As for the MCU stuff, the Netflix series are the right length, but Agents of Shield was way too long (22 episodes a season, with lots of filler and monster of the week episodes), so I had to drop it one season in, and it's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime in the UK. Agent Carter was wonderful - not too long, it felt connected to the larger MCU without pushing it in your face, it had its own identity and was fun. And it got cancelled.
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Sarcopenia posted:Her review made me so nostalgic that I bought the game. It was my first FF game so I like it way more than it deserves. But drat had I forgotten how convoluted the story and lore is. I think it does deserve more than a whiny (and more than a little hypocritical) takedown, so I really liked the review. It's such a fun and odd mess of a game, which is always better than being tedious and boring.
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business hammocks posted:When does Gotham get weird/good-campy? I made it partway through the first season. I think like early Season 2-ish? Around the time where Jerome shows up and they just short of throw their hands up and go "Yeah, okay, sure, he's the Joker" because Cameron Monaghan knocked it out of the loving park in his debut "he might be the Joker, who knows, we haven't decided yet" episode. Like, I'll straight up admit I don't watch Gotham for a whole host of reasons, but of the stuff I've seen of it, Cameron Monaghan plays probably the best incarnation of the Joker I've seen since Heath Ledger. So there's that at least.
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Boogie2988 did a video talking about a panel he did with Anita at VidCon on cyberbullying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qEwRZ0PziA
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Max Wilco posted:Boogie2988 did a video talking about a panel he did with Anita at VidCon on cyberbullying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qEwRZ0PziA And the 50 50 like/dislike ratio is achieved by the sin of him not trying to destroy Anita like so many others and instead was being fairly reasonable. Besides, gently caress Sargon, he deserves to be called out for being a doxxing, racist, sexist, classist rape apologetic piece of poo poo.
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Noclip knocking it out of the park with the final video on FFXIV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONT6fxiu9cw This is more prestigious than most docs since they interview both the director of the game and the CEO of Square-Enix.
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Danny said that they secured the next year of documentaries on the E3!
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