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the problem is that... people think it left people uninsured? which it did? that sentence makes no sense
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Karl Barks posted:confused as to what the problem here is descent freespace is the highest form of patriotic
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Karl Barks posted:confused as to what the problem here is If anything, it's kind of a misleading headline.
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Karl Barks posted:that sentence makes no sense neither did the Obama presidency
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obama basically had two choices when it came to the ACA and his legacy: either push it as a stepping stone to actual good health policy and thus have a legacy of building to that; or try to continue to push the ACA as a good program that works for everyone and is the best and just repeat that a bunch until everyone goes "sure". unsurprisingly, he picked the largely selfish option because he wanted a bigger legacy than just "paved the way for single-payer".
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Oh Snapple! posted:obama basically had two choices when it came to the ACA and his legacy: either push it as a stepping stone to actual good health policy and thus have a legacy of building to that; or try to continue to push the ACA as a good program that works for everyone and is the best and just repeat that a bunch until everyone goes "sure". he was probably expecting it to be like DADT where it was a stepping stone to something good but it had to last like 20 years before that good thing came along
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Wasn't it the lowest turnout election for a long time? Or just real bad nah, not really. it's more that the last couple elections had unusually high turnout. 2004 turnout was way higher than 2000, and 2008 turnout was the highest in decades. numbers vary wildly for some reason but 2016 turnout probably turned out at about the same level as 2013
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Karl Barks posted:the problem is that... people think it left people uninsured? which it did? that sentence makes no sense look in order to cover everyone he would have had to ask for a tax increase on his billionaire friends, and that would be very rude to them
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It's also funny because I distinctly remember all the blue dogs running as far away from the ACA as possible in the midterms after it passed.
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that last paragraph. lol.
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or i should say, if it happened to become a stepping stone to something people other than him thought was good
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Karl Barks posted:confused as to what the problem here is looks like he's just saying it as a way to reframe the popularity numbers kind of a "sure, it polls incredibly badly, but not everyone hates it from the right. some people hate it from the left and therefore don't support the right-wing effort to repeal" thing
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Oh Snapple! posted:obama basically had two choices when it came to the ACA and his legacy: either push it as a stepping stone to actual good health policy and thus have a legacy of building to that; or try to continue to push the ACA as a good program that works for everyone and is the best and just repeat that a bunch until everyone goes "sure". It's amazing how Democrats have a 10 vote handicap in the senate. Seems a little unfair to me that any good progressive policies need a supermajority, whereas repubs can destroy the country with a simple majority
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its cool that a former democratic presidemt wants to fight universal healthcare because it would spoil his legacy to be one-upped like that
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Al! posted:its cool that a former democratic presidemt wants to fight universal healthcare because it would spoil his legacy to be one-upped like that have a great fate 
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Terror Sweat posted:It's amazing how Democrats have a 10 vote handicap in the senate. Seems a little unfair to me that any good progressive policies need a supermajority, whereas repubs can destroy the country with a simple majority yes, that's actually part of the problem: there is an institutional buyers towards conservative policy
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Al! posted:its cool that a former democratic presidemt wants to fight universal healthcare because it would spoil his legacy to be one-upped like that the funniest thing is that the ppaca seemed like it was specifically designed to heighten the contradictions in the private insurance system and bring about a single payer system as soon as possible like you really could not have designed a better catalyst since its probably the best thing you can get short of single payer and its still dogshit while the ONLY other option is murdering millions
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Al! posted:its cool that a former democratic presidemt wants to fight universal healthcare because it would spoil his legacy to be one-upped like that It seems like Obama's career is a parade of trying to create and preserve a legacy causing what destroys it
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It seems like Obama's career is a parade of trying to create and preserve a legacy causing what destroys it he deserves it
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mormonpartyboat posted:the funniest thing is that the ppaca seemed like it was specifically designed to heighten the contradictions in the private insurance system and bring about a single payer system as soon as possible yeah the aca is basically single payer accelerationism except accelerationism doesnt really work so people have voted to kill millions (as long as they dont know any of those millions (they do (some of them are going to die too)))
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GalacticAcid posted:Re ~ election thread i still wonder why folks like him and obdicut just completely disappeared after election night like im thankful for it but it was weird as hell.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It seems like Obama's career is a parade of trying to create and preserve a legacy causing what destroys it obama is king lear i guess that would make bernie cordelia
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Oh Snapple! posted:i still wonder why folks like him and obdicut just completely disappeared after election night because they'd have to eat crow and they're cowards
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Al! posted:obama is king lear please do not reference known enemy of the state william spear shaker
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I prefer to think that Obdicut is just writing a massive post in which he reminds us no less than 3.8 trillion times that he works in public health and it's just taking this long to type.
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Oh Snapple! posted:i still wonder why folks like him and obdicut just completely disappeared after election night CTR stopped cutting checks for their online troll army Luckily the Russians didn't so reddit, twitter, and facebook still remain shitholes
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https://twitter.com/obdicut lol is this actually obdicut 
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It seems like Obama's career is a parade of trying to create and preserve a legacy causing what destroys it obama is the "my DMs are open" guy
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Raskolnikov38 posted:because they'd have to eat crow and they're cowards see i considered this but someone wouldn't actually completely stop going to an entire forum because they were wrong (and spent like a year being so) in one subforum, right? ...right? docbeard posted:I prefer to think that Obdicut is just writing a massive post in which he reminds us no less than 3.8 trillion times that he works in public health and it's just taking this long to type. obdicut was for real my favorite person. he was an expert on literally everything; including knowing more about the intricacies of interpretation than someone who actually worked as an interpreter (because he translated documents, you see).
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obamacare feels like it was perfectly crafted to continually heighten its own contradictoons and inevitably collapse in ten years because it was a product of a naive and incorrect hope that the market could play a role in a sustainable and fair health care system. it was doomed from the start, no matter the specifics
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does obdicut still post on other parts of SA? someone who can look at his post history go check
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Shear Modulus posted:does obdicut still post on other parts of SA? someone who can look at his post history go check their last post: Obdicut posted:What Genghis Khan song?
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Shear Modulus posted:does obdicut still post on other parts of SA? someone who can look at his post history go check i just checked and no. also i rediscovered the proclinton thread that i renamed "historically bad candidate who gave america to idiot fascism: the thread," good memories
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Terror Sweat posted:It's amazing how Democrats have a 10 vote handicap in the senate. Seems a little unfair to me that any good progressive policies need a supermajority, whereas repubs can destroy the country with a simple majority yeah, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans don't have to worry about ideologically-impure defectors potentially torpedoing their major health legislation or single-handedly demanding large changes that make it significantly worse. there's just no way they'll ever have a slim majority upset by a couple of defectors of course, the difference is that conservative superPACs are already airing attack ads against GOP senators who've said they won't vote for AHCA
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Frijolero posted:Dems are a gently caress kill 'em all 2016 410,757,864,530 dead due to lack of healthcare
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Pinterest Mom posted:propublica got its hands on internal Facebook moderation guidelines and it is wild 
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mormonpartyboat posted:their last post: that's a week before the election I am flabbergasted
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