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all turn based RPGs should be as fast or faster than the first two Suikodens and their attack animations all going off at once.
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I never realized how many people had bad opinions about final fantasy. It's interesting what you learn about people.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:36
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I never finished XIII but I found it hilarious how the short kid holds a grudge against his party leader for forty hours game time but follows her anyway and without complaint
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Jun 28, 2017 20:37
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turn based combat is good but the PSOne FFs have a battle framerate of like, 5 frames per second a feature they've not bothered fixing with their remasters which is why i haven't gotten them
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Jun 28, 2017 20:38
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The White Dragon posted:man this does sound baller af but do they at least mark it in your journal without flavor? because i know how western high fantasy games can get goddamn long-winded sometimes and i like some automation in the note-taking process at least. it's why i like etrian odyssey and stranger in sword city so much more than elminage: it doesn't hold your hand, but it does automap, and the map is always visible. Your journal would always contain a brief version of the description provided by the NPC. So "Caius Calocolus Caloflopadasium has tasked me to retrieve...... I must take the north road from Pelgiad, east at the fork, then from the hill start searching north east to find the tomb" or whatever. The good thing they did was usually reference landmarks a lot along the way. "Look for the small pond on the left, look for the burnt tree past the fork" so that if at any point you got lost you could go back to the last confirmed landmark and try again. But no there is no auto-mark or auto-path backup. The drawback of the system at the time was that getting lost was possible. But today you have best of both worlds! You can explore organically but if you do end up just unable to find your mark then an internet walkthrough will be happy to give you precision marker of where you need to go.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:38
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Lurdiak posted:I never realized how many people had bad opinions about final fantasy. It's interesting what you learn about people. Not as bad as you thinking ff7 was turn based lmao
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Jun 28, 2017 20:38
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What, Hope has a grudge against Snow not Lightning and it's resolved before they leave Cocoon.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:39
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Quest For Glory II posted:turn based combat is good but the PSOne FFs have a battle framerate of like, 5 frames per second And horrendous load times for transitioning into battle. corn in the bible posted:Not as bad as you thinking ff7 was turn based lmao I'm pretty sure you need to look up some definitions.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:39
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corn in the bible posted:Not as bad as you thinking ff7 was turn based lmao It is it you play it with autowait on. Which I did.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:39
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i think chrono cross's battles were even worse, maybe 2 frames per second. actually maybe it's a fraction of a frame i'm not so much into collecting PS1 JRPGs (although I did get a couple like granstream saga), i'm much moreso into collecting and playing PS2 JRPGs
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Jun 28, 2017 20:40
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I think FF8 and 9 have a lot of issues but I can see why people like them, but people who like Chrono Cross just puzzle me.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:41
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Quest For Glory II posted:i think chrono cross's battles were even worse, maybe 2 frames per second. actually maybe it's a fraction of a frame I liked the battle system but yeah that framerate was awful.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:41
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Sakurazuka posted:What, Hope has a grudge against Snow not Lightning and it's resolved before they leave Cocoon. I'll take your word for it, I'm not going to replay it
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Jun 28, 2017 20:41
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Real hurthling! posted:Its amazeballs. Rookie has 2 fewer worlds than normal and they are too good to miss. I got to world 4 and died QQ. I think arcade mode is just a teensy bit too long, especially if theres a full two worlds after 5 that I havent seen yet.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:44
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just lol if you don't junction 100 hastes to speed in ff8 and finish battles in single digit seconds
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Jun 28, 2017 20:44
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I junctioned FF8 into the trash
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Jun 28, 2017 20:45
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Skies of Arcadia had bland typical turn based combat but I liked that they'd animate your allies and enemies attempting to fight each other in the background and whiffing attacks while you were making your choice and the ship combat was neat. Shadow Hearts series has my favorite turn based combat though
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Jun 28, 2017 20:46
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not counting tactics the last final fantasy i played was final fantasy 7 and i got about halfway through and got bored, but i was also about 10 so the only thing i bothered to learn about the combat system was making sure to put the "all" materia on any spell i equipped
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Jun 28, 2017 20:46
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Help Im Alive posted:The combat in XIII owns Hell yeah it does.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:47
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I would take the combat in classic FF games over what 15 had any day. I liked 15, but man the combat was just not my thing.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:47
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Quest For Glory II posted:i think chrono cross's battles were even worse, maybe 2 frames per second. actually maybe it's a fraction of a frame It's pretty variable and changes depending on what's going on. One thing I noticed replaying it is that it does the camera pan around the area for each battle while it's loading with a ton of effects going off, and then turns all the extra effects off once your party loads in so it can actually run it. There are actually a couple battle fields where you can get it going near 60 but it all tanks the second you cast a spell or do much of anything and that's rare as hell. What makes it frustrating is that the game's menu run at a higher framerate, higher resolution, and has better models for the characters on the status screen that includes slightly better shadows. It really just came out at a poo poo time and should have been on PS2. Lurdiak posted:but people who like Chrono Cross just puzzle me. It's great because you can skip the trash battles and the boss fights are mostly fun puzzles and the whole thing has a beautiful aesthetic.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:48
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jrpgs, in general, are garbage
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Jun 28, 2017 20:48
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I haven't played a turn-based JRPG in a long time but I think Persona 5 has a pretty slick system. Doesn't really seem like they ever really figured out what to do with the guns though
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Jun 28, 2017 20:48
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Mak0rz posted:just lol if you don't junction 100 hastes to speed in ff8 and finish battles in single digit seconds I put on No-Enc ASAP and walked through 15 hours of cutscenes.
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FirstAidKite posted:Skies of Arcadia had bland typical turn based combat but I liked that they'd animate your allies and enemies attempting to fight each other in the background and whiffing attacks while you were making your choice and the ship combat was neat. I love SoA to death but I reeeeeaaaally wish you could actually position your characters in combat since some spells and abilities have specific areas of effect. And tweak the close range and long range normal attacks while you're at it
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Jun 28, 2017 20:49
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Monkey Fracas posted:I haven't played a turn-based JRPG in a long time but I think Persona 5 has a pretty slick system. Doesn't really seem like they never really figured out what to do with the guns though Guns are pretty much only there to give the game another damage type for stuff to be weak against so yeah.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:50
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FF7 isn't a perfect game but I kind of admire how jam-packed it is. Like they wanted to make it the Biggest! JRPG! Ever! So it has tons of really elaborate mini-games and side content and hidden bosses that don't really make the game better but make it have more "stuff" in it. It never "coasts" or tries to stretch out the content it has, it just keeps adding more and more poo poo, probably to the point that it becomes a detriment. It reminds me of Symphony of the night, which is similarly bursting with content beyond the point of reason.Phantasium posted:It's great because you can skip the trash battles and the boss fights are mostly fun puzzles and the whole thing has a beautiful aesthetic. I hate the aesthetic of the game, it's like a theater troupe had to create the illusion of a full fledged world overnight using only circus tents and garment. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 20:50
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In Training posted:Hell yeah it does.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:51
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After restrictive cart sizes FF7 was basically Wow Look At All This Space the game And then they still decided it needed three discs lol
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Jun 28, 2017 20:53
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Lurdiak posted:I hate the aesthetic of the game, it's like a theater troupe had to create the illusion of a full fledged world overnight using only circus tents and garment. well that's just mean to skelly
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Jun 28, 2017 20:53
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Cowcaster posted:jrpgs, in general, are garbage *Creates complex system of status effects including counters to specific effects. Blind, paralyze poison, attack up, attack down, magic up, magic down, etc..." *Literally all are useless they disable/stun because characters die in three hits*
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Jun 28, 2017 20:55
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Lurdiak posted:And horrendous load times for transitioning into battle. Please explain how ff7 is turn based but 13 is not
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Jun 28, 2017 20:55
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Chomp8645 posted:*Creates complex system of status effects including counters to specific effects. Blind, paralyze poison, attack up, attack down, magic up, magic down, etc..." Which game is this?
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Jun 28, 2017 20:56
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The best JRPG combat is mainilne SMT games. SMT4A was perfect.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:56
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Looper posted:I love SoA to death but I reeeeeaaaally wish you could actually position your characters in combat since some spells and abilities have specific areas of effect. And tweak the close range and long range normal attacks while you're at it Yeah, it was always strange that they had these abilities and attacks that would hit different areas but you had no control over where your character was. I'd like to see an hd port at some point but I don't think an hd port could fix the weird combat stuff, and I wouldn't want them remaking it because...well, it's a dumb reason but I feel like they'd do what they did with Valkyria and ditch what made it so special and unique and interesting.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:56
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Cowcaster posted:jrpgs, in general, are garbage Ha! I have a taken you RPG system and added huge amounts of zeroes to the ends of all numbers. Beyond the power of the JRPG!!!! *Swings sword, does 3824912 damage, or about 4% of the target's HP*
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Jun 28, 2017 20:56
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Chomp8645 posted:Ha! I have a taken you RPG system and added huge amounts of zeroes to the ends of all numbers. Beyond the power of the JRPG!!!! Disgaea is cool.
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Jun 28, 2017 20:57
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I do love 7 though
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an actual dog posted:The best JRPG combat is mainilne SMT games. SMT4A was perfect. +1. Probably the best JRPG I've ever played. And Ive played a fair amount of them
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Chomp8645 posted:*Creates complex system of status effects including counters to specific effects. Blind, paralyze poison, attack up, attack down, magic up, magic down, etc..." My favorite Games meme is "buffs and ailments are actually useful in this one!"
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