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evilweasel posted:lol even morning joe is mocking trump over the time cover It's pretty funny how much Joe's trying to course-correct after gaining a reputation of incessantly and shamelessly fawning over Trump during the campaign. Still, credit where credit's due, not a bad burn.
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This is a pretty good reason to be optimistic. The moron MAGA horde gets a lot of their marching orders from talk radio, but they aren't being told to go after GOP Senators who aren't on board. They have given up and moved on https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/880170026984255488
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Jaxyon posted:You don't know a lot of presidential history, do you? I suspect, based on the evidence available, that "rapist" may be correlated more strongly with "U.S. President" than with any other American profession.
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Jun 28, 2017 22:07
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awesmoe posted:I'm not saying he's number one worst president ever, but the question was "disrespect the office of the president" and using the figurative office to procure sex and the literal office to perform it in is disrespectful. Didn't LBJ whip out his junk in front of reporters?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I suspect, based on the evidence available, that "rapist" may be correlated more strongly with "U.S. President" than with any other American profession. Does "serial killer" count as a profession? We've had a lot of them, it's gotta be at least a cottage industry
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You'd think that our federal judiciary, so concerned with protecting the due process rights of class action defendants in the face of pressure, would be on top of that ag gag type of stuff. But they aren't. I wonder what the difference could be?
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https://twitter.com/kelseymsutton/status/880171470349111296 Wow gently caress MSNBC.
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Ogmius815 posted:You'd think that our federal judiciary, so concerned with protecting the due process rights of class action defendants in the face of pressure, would be on top of that ag gag law. But they aren't. I wonder what the difference could be? Probably that it got settled.
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cant cook creole bream posted:I don't really know a lot about American law books. But in Germany the laws are written in an extremely obtuse and unreadable, but ridiculously exact way. Like all the complicated text has to be added, in order to clarify the exact statement and tighten loopholes so much, that not even a jinn could slip through. In a way it's actually quite beautiful. But as a mathematician, I am rather fond of exact statements which define a well ordered system. The US Code itself is much more readable, it's just the legislation itself is not because it's editing the existing laws rather than just writing them out for the first time. You can't easily know what it's doing without looking at the section it's getting put into. How precisely written the laws are varies wildly based on the subject of the law, if it's a state/federal/local law, and if it's a law versus a regulation passed by a regulatory agency. In general criminal laws are very broad and not overly precise, federal law is better written than state law, and regulatory rules are very, very, very precise compared to actual laws.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/kelseymsutton/status/880171470349111296 Fox is dying, gotta pick up that market share somehow.
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Crow Jane posted:Does "serial killer" count as a profession? We've had a lot of them, it's gotta be at least a cottage industry That's more of an avocation I think. Not paid. Paid assassin could be a profession (see: "The Professional") but a certain percentage of those are female, which is going to shift your rapist percentages. U.S. president is one of very few jobs left that is all male, so it's gonna have more rapists just because of that, and then you get Clinton, Trump, and the various slaveowners shifting the numbers too Basically a given president is more likely to be a rapist than a given member of any other profession Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 22:15
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Ogmius815 posted:You'd think that our federal judiciary, so concerned with protecting the due process rights of class action defendants in the face of pressure, would be on top of that ag gag type of stuff. But they aren't. I wonder what the difference could be? The supreme court does not reach out and grab cases. They have to be asked to review a case.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/kelseymsutton/status/880171470349111296 Are you new or something? MSNBC's always has some conservatives around. Every third commercial I see Greta talking about how everyone should get along because some presidents were at a bar.
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Rigel posted:The supreme court does not reach out and grab cases. They have to be asked to review a case. Yeah I know. I was just taking a cheap shot at bad class action decisions from the last decade. There are actually a bunch of ways it isn't necessarily analogous.
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Pander posted:Are you new or something? MSNBC's always has some conservatives around. Every third commercial I see Greta talking about how everyone should get along because some presidents were at a bar. It's getting much worse.
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mcmagic posted:It's getting much worse. Is time passing? If yes: Things are getting worse.
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Pander posted:Are you new or something? MSNBC's always has some conservatives around. Every third commercial I see Greta talking about how everyone should get along because some presidents were at a bar. They've been noticeably tacking right and trying to take Fox viewers.
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evilweasel posted:They've been noticeably tacking right and trying to take Fox viewers. Eh. Joke's long been on anyone who watches MSNBC for any reason other than Chris and Rachel.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/kelseymsutton/status/880171470349111296 Its genius to try and divide and conquer fox's consolidation of conservative media attention now that they're falling during the Trump Era and the allure of Russian Collusion. Its not good for the quality of news media that they're trying to proliferate RWM talking heads into their own fold to try and become more attractive in a much more violently conservative environment takes hold over the US, but these things run themselves as businesses first.
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Rigel posted:The supreme court does not reach out and grab cases. They have to be asked to review a case. When you're a Supreme, they let you do it, you can do anything, grab 'em by the pro se
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evilweasel posted:They've been noticeably tacking right and trying to take Fox viewers. There was a pretty good longform piece about this a month or two ago but I cant find it. Anyone remember what I'm talking about/have a link?
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awesmoe posted:I'm not saying he's number one worst president ever, but the question was "disrespect the office of the president" and using the figurative office to procure sex and the literal office to perform it in is disrespectful. I guess I meant disrespect the office as in failing to grasp what the Presidency means to a nation of people and understanding your place in history. It may just be recency bias but I'd put Obama near the top of this list under this definition even if he isn't one of the top 5 or so Presidents, for example. Clinton absolutely should be dinged for the reasons you stated but I'd put Dubya below him, for one.
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Josh Lyman posted:Then why do 100% of hospital bills seem outrageous? For real? Because the billed cost has zero relation to actual insurance reimbursement rates. The hospitals enter contracts with various insurance companies and negotiate payments -- the hospital ridiculously elevates the bill and the insurance company argues down to something much more reasonable. The real problem is that hospitals legally cannot bill two entities differently, only accept different negotiated reimbursement rates. So what happens is that if you are uninsured, you are subject to that overbid that the hospital never would expect to receive from an insurance company in the first place. If you're out of network, you may be balance-billed on this ridiculously overpriced bill as well. To add to the insanity of it all, generally speaking hospitals can't talk to one another about what they've negotiated for what billing codes with each insurance company, and trying to get your own insurance company o tell you what procedure will cost what where can be difficult too if you manage it at all. And that's seriously it. Hospital bills are outrageous because they literally are designed to be outrageous and hospitals don't expect to recoup that amount. But in the meanwhile, they gently caress people left and right because they can't offer an uninsured rate. Some will, after the fact, negotiate a much more reasonable payment for you, but it's loving ridiculous to literally hold bankruptcy over people for a $100,000 appendectomy for which the hospital really only ever receives a fraction from an insurance company.
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Rigel posted:This is a pretty good reason to be optimistic. The moron MAGA horde gets a lot of their marching orders from talk radio, but they aren't being told to go after GOP Senators who aren't on board. They have given up and moved on How much of it is trying to keep low information people there though? I feel like they're not covering the bill because they know it's dogshit and don't want people getting enlightened, and that's going to happen just by seeing all the poo poo about it. Losing even a small number of the continually dwindling vapid support can't be good for them
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cant cook creole bream posted:I don't really know a lot about American law books. But in Germany the laws are written in an extremely obtuse and unreadable, but ridiculously exact way. Like all the complicated text has to be added, in order to clarify the exact statement and tighten loopholes so much, that not even a jinn could slip through. In a way it's actually quite beautiful. But as a mathematician, I am rather fond of exact statements which define a well ordered system. Generally no. As we are a Common Law country, the judges can take care of this sort of stuff --- and a lot of things are also delegated to executive branch regulations to figure out the details and provide rules.
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Majorian posted:It's pretty funny how much Joe's trying to course-correct after gaining a reputation of incessantly and shamelessly fawning over Trump during the campaign.  The constant dunking is appreciated, but Joe and Mika deserve to spend the rest of their lives scrubbing themselves clean of Trump yet never quite removing the stain completely.
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Ogmius815 posted:Yeah I know. I was just taking a cheap shot at bad class action decisions from the last decade. There are actually a bunch of ways it isn't necessarily analogous. What strikes me as particularly hosed up about this law is that it seems to be specifically designed to be extraordinarily difficult and dangerous to challenge. Plaintiffs can recover even if they lose, for gently caress's sake.
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Here's that Bloomberg healthcare story (I think) https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/880173030634291200
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aware of dog posted:Here's that Bloomberg healthcare story (I think) Goddamn. No wonder Murkowski's against the bill.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/kelseymsutton/status/880171470349111296
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Sloober posted:How much of it is trying to keep low information people there though? I feel like they're not covering the bill because they know it's dogshit and don't want people getting enlightened, and that's going to happen just by seeing all the poo poo about it. Losing even a small number of the continually dwindling vapid support can't be good for them There's only so much you can do when Trump won't play ball because he'll break the lie in an instant of idiocy. Plus Rush was already losing money hand over fist during the election, so its just nature taking its course when the Republicans that care are dying and what they have left is uninformed ignorants who won't even take the time to tune into Hannidy or Brietbart because there's too much choice and not enough people to go to them all. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:So that's Stephens, Hewitt, VanSusteren, and Kelly all hired by NBC within the last year. I may be forgetting someone. Nicole Wallace (one of W's old press secs) has been on MSNBC for years but she got a "show" at like noon EST that no one gives a poo poo about. Though in her defense 9 times out of 10 she is generally a sane person. So meh
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Pander posted:It's heartwarming to remember that Trump is statistically more likely to run into a Guillotine in France than anywhere else. On the other hand, de Gaulle.
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Lightning Lord posted:On the other hand, de Gaulle. Trump at the bare minimum will have flour or some sort of food thrown at him.
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nine-gear crow posted:Nicole Wallace (one of W's old press secs) has been on MSNBC for years but she got a "show" at like noon EST that no one gives a poo poo about. I generally don't mind panels with her, Rick Wilson, or Steve Schmidt. Wilson cause he's amusing in how much he hates Trump, and the other two are impressively sane for people willing to call themselves Republicans in this day and age. Seems like they'd be kicked out as RINOs by now.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/us/arkansas-10-commandments-monument-damaged/index.html Good.
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wow, the bloomberg guy wasn't joking, this is big https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/880177792922603520 quote:Several Senate Republicans began to question Wednesday whether their health-care bill should repeal a tax on high-income Americans imposed by Obamacare when the legislation would scale back subsidies for the poor. this would completely blow up the entire real reason they're doing this thing
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evilweasel posted:wow, the bloomberg guy wasn't joking, this is big Turns out some Republicans have souls
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OctaMurk posted:Turns out some Republicans have souls souls, and/or some awareness of political reality and the fact that even in tennessee this might put them at risk in 2018 (corker is a pretty safe seat up for re-election in 2018 who may be getting nervous about the combination of this + trump suddenly making things a race) i would lean toward the latter
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Pander posted:I generally don't mind panels with her, Rick Wilson, or Steve Schmidt. Wilson cause he's amusing in how much he hates Trump, and the other two are impressively sane for people willing to call themselves Republicans in this day and age. Seems like they'd be kicked out as RINOs by now. Schmidt is fascinating because if Game Change is to be believed, Sarah Palin broke his brain so hard it made him functionally a liberal. But you're right about those three, they seem to be the sanest Republicans left standing.
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