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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline?
This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney 67 22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball 40 13.38%
Where will the Pauls go 54 18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? 41 13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking 97 32.44%
Total: 210 votes
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aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

Spacebump posted:

Since CP3 opted into his deal instead of a new deal isn't he likely to screw himself long term? At his age it's a little risky not to go for the biggest longest deal possible. He is still great but Father Time catches point guards faster than big men, never know when he could have an injury that ruins him.

I just listened to a podcast on this and it's going to allow him to re sign in Houston (if he wants) after this contract for a full 5 year max if I understood correctly

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pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

euphronius posted:

Lance was really good in 13-14. Crazy how he lost it. But hes so young still maybe it still exists.

He showed some flashes of his old talent in the few games he played for us last year.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

I had to read this a couple of times to understand that he wasn't going Hotep.

Anyway, Clippers news means Vince Staples reactions.

https://twitter.com/vincestaples/status/880144426949001216
https://twitter.com/vincestaples/status/880174835065692160
https://twitter.com/vincestaples/status/880207910579585024

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Spacebump posted:

Since CP3 opted into his deal instead of a new deal isn't he likely to screw himself long term? At his age it's a little risky not to go for the biggest longest deal possible. He is still great but Father Time catches point guards faster than big men, never know when he could have an injury that ruins him.

Going to Houston over the Clippers mean he prefers winning over the money.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Spacebump posted:

Since CP3 opted into his deal instead of a new deal isn't he likely to screw himself long term? At his age it's a little risky not to go for the biggest longest deal possible. He is still great but Father Time catches point guards faster than big men, never know when he could have an injury that ruins him.

no

because he can now sign a 5 year deal with houston next year for 200+. THey own his Bird rights. CP3 protected himself.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Lance gonna make 'em dance.

The strippers he gets for PG, that is.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Austin Falls On His Face Rivers breaking up the Clips will always remain hilarious

quote:

 Insiders complained about a lack of accountability -- about practices and shootarounds starting late, and Austin Rivers carrying himself like an anointed superstar.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

euphronius posted:

Lance was really good in 13-14. Crazy how he lost it. But hes so young still maybe it still exists.

I don't think you saw him will the Memphis Grizzlies to a stunning upset of the San Antonio Spurs last year

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
Cp3 gonna hurt his knee
Book it

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

euphronius posted:

no

because he can now sign a 5 year deal with houston next year for 200+. THey own his Bird rights. CP3 protected himself.

While he is the greatest fake 6 foot of all time, he is still a 32 fake 6 foot point guard. That's super risky. Most guards start to fall off then, even great ones. I don't think he will but it's always a risk.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Spacebump posted:

While he is the greatest fake 6 foot of all time, he is still a 32 fake 6 foot point guard. That's super risky. Most guards start to fall off then, even great ones. I don't think he will but it's always a risk.

if HOU doesnt give him 5, someone else will give him 4, and the Option year he got this year is likely more than hed get in 2022.

warcrimes
Jul 6, 2013

I don't know what's it called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a J4G's life. :parrot: :parrot: :parrot: :parrot:
Much rather have CP on the Rockets than the Spurs.

Also, Warriors GM Bob Myers received his Executive of the Year award at his old high school, he's really a cool dude and the exact personality opposite to Lacob.

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/880234152007577600

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Who wins a series of all the best active Kentucky players (coached by Pop or Carlisle) vs GSW?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Spacebump posted:

Who wins a series of all the best active Kentucky players (coached by Pop or Carlisle) vs GSW?

Probably still the Warriors but you could make a pretty nasty team with Cousins, Davis, Wall, MKG and Booker as a starting 5. Spacing would suck though.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Spacebump posted:

Who wins a series of all the best active Kentucky players (coached by Pop or Carlisle) vs GSW?

I was going to say AD and Boogie alone would wreck teams then I remembered and lolled



The Warriors probably win considering the Kings had 3 of the top 12 in 2015-16 and were a trash fire. Plus KAT/AD/Cousins creates a weird logjam that three of your best four players can't really be on the court at the same time.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Spoeank posted:

I was going to say AD and Boogie alone would wreck teams then I remembered and lolled



The Warriors probably win considering the Kings had 3 of the top 12 in 2015-16 and were a trash fire. Plus KAT/AD/Cousins creates a weird logjam that three of your best four players can't really be on the court at the same time.

The usual reason "jumbo" lineups don't work is that they don't have the floor spacing due to lack of outside shooting. Cousins developed a decent three-point shot.

They still lose, but I don't think that's the reason why.

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

Elotana posted:

poo poo this was just Bev, Lou, and Dekker when I heard about it this morning

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880148052836798464

:eyepop:

oh god not kyle WILTjer i'm against this move now

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Any modern defense is going to help off MKG like he's an empty space.

He's just not playable in a series unless you play him at the four and have him cut all the time. And even then, you need a lot of shooters that are not John Wall.

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

chunkles posted:

oh god not kyle WILTjer i'm against this move now

But you don't have a Wiltjer av

G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

chunkles posted:

oh god not kyle WILTjer i'm against this move now

this is like half of rockets fans right now and its hilarious

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Elotana posted:

poo poo this was just Bev, Lou, and Dekker when I heard about it this morning

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880148052836798464

:eyepop:

So this was technically a 4 team trade with 2 of those teams kicking over minimum guys for roster space and for cash. Not including the Sean long trade which was for a player to keep and separate

Man Morey is a crafty little fat man. We see that friendship and being excellent at math and taking advantage of incompetent GM's are the stuff that contending NBA teams are made of.

Doc Rivers is going to resign before the season, yes/no

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

Dejan Bimble posted:

Doc Rivers is going to resign before the season, yes/no

We haven't seen the crazy angry side of Ballmer as Clippers owner yet, I'm fully expecting Doc Rivers to resign in a press conference with a giant windows phone imprint on his forehead

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/880236448703754242

https://twitter.com/backpageguynydn/status/880240916283478016

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

I feel like I missed a lot of "hows it goink" jokes earlier when this happened.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

man, the Kings have been making good personnel decisions all offseason, this is weird to see

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Tae posted:

Don't the metrics say Kawhi is not that special of a defender

His defensive numbers greatly recovered (though not to their levels of the last few years) after the spurs counter schemed against offenses taking Kawhi out of plays by just putting his man as far away from all actions as possible, not perfectly, but they adjusted. Also he played with a lot of worse defensive players rather than playing with Timbo Duncman, I like DRPM but the network effects and priors all tend to show. He ended the 7th ranked wing after you sort out all the specialists who played less than 30 minutes per game.

Which is why I tend to believe that Avery Bradley is at very least a solid defender and not the worst in the league, since he has to cover for IT. But I do think his off ball defense is not great, other players just remember him being annoying and long armed in their faces.

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jun 29, 2017

hitze
Aug 28, 2007
Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

https://streamable.com/tf6kw

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Yeah, Kawhi is such a good defender that his player just kinda chills in the corner or high past the 3 pt line to keep him out of the play.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kawhi-leonard-is-so-great-at-defense-hes-actually-hurting-the-spurs/

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

Hahaha is that Klay

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


Oh nooooo

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Carlosologist posted:

man, the Kings have been making good personnel decisions all offseason, this is weird to see

I dunno dumping bad players when their contracts up is about the easiest part of being a gm, lemme know when they can identify+improve talent

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Ammanas posted:

I dunno dumping bad players when their contracts up is about the easiest part of being a gm, lemme know when they can identify+improve talent

check out buddy

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Skal was both a great get at #28 and developed very nicely as the season progressed. Buddy turned things around when he came here. WCS made a huge 180 after initially struggling with Joerger's more rigid structure. Not a huge fan of Malachi but he worked his way into Joerger's rotation before tearing his hamstring. Bogdan was almost a throw away in that Phoenix trade but has been a very good player overseas. Still a long way to go but the cupboard doesn't seem as bare as it was 6 months ago.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
If Bogdan is as promised, Bogdan + Skal for Chriss is going to look like highway robbery.

The Kings are gonna have 9 players on their first contracts so they're entering the development part (WCS, Papa, Bogdan, Skal, Buddy, Fox, Giles, Jackson, Mason)

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
I think Phil Jackson is the best GM the Knicks ever had.

Spite
Jul 27, 2001

Small chance of that...

dokmo posted:

Irritation is not defense. Chris Paul is still a top 10 PG defender in a way that Beverley has never been.

He helps you guys against most of the league but I don't think he helps against GSW unless he can consistently outplay Steph. And the last time he did that was that playoff series in '14 when the Clips won.

And if Dekker is fully healed and healthy I think you'll regret losing him in the long run.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Cp3 is not the issue if warriors and rockets play

Brolander
Oct 20, 2008

i am but a vessel

pubic works project posted:

Yeah cuz they nasty here

RALPHIE: she was a fuckin hoosier!

kiimo
Jul 24, 2003


I want to dance in this club with Klay

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G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

Its questionable at best if anyone can compete with the Warriors really, especially anyone without Lebron. But Houston has prime James Harden and that won't last forever, so might as well try. Rockets fans unhappy about losing players like Dekker or Harrell, yeah, they're cool and all, but adding Paul to Harden gives Houston the potential to bring in more talent via trade or free agency and gives them a chance to compete with Golden State.

They traded a bunch of likeable players, but come on, are any of them going to be a crucial piece to winning a title? I'll miss Beverley, but uh, the replacement is a bit of an upgrade. Lou Williams can score but is an atrocity on defense. The rest all seem likable and all but they're basically good rotation players at best, and mostly potential rotation players at that. That isn't hard to find, and Morey has proven he doesn't struggle to find it. Maybe it won't work, maybe CP3 leaves in a year. But its not like the Rockets mortgaged their future here.

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