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The purpose of these sanctions against Venezuelan officials is to discredit the Venezuelan government and to send a signal to the market that it is unstable or subject to intervention. In that sense they have been successful at harming trade relations with the country and at legitimizing other actions against it. The current US administration is also working on expanding these sanctions. Meanwhile the US continues to fund, arm, and support oil-exporting states like Saudi Arabia who have a much worse human rights record than Venezuela ever did and can export massive quantities of ultra-cheap oil since they rely on slavery and wars of pillage to bring it to market, sabotaging the oil-exporting Venezuelan economy in the process.
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Bob le Moche posted:The purpose of these sanctions against Venezuelan officials is to discredit the Venezuelan government and to send a signal to the market that it is unstable or subject to intervention. In that sense they have been successful at harming trade relations with the country and at legitimizing other actions against it. The current US administration is also working on expanding these sanctions. Let me get this straight: when you were called out for not knowing that there actually aren't any sanctions against Venezuela, you've now moved the goalposts to say that while the sanctions only target a handful of named individuals, they have the overall affect of signalling that "the market is unstable or subject to intervention"? Is that correct? I'll briefly say that targeting a small group of generals and suspected drug traffickers with sanctions isn't going to do the slightest bit to signal to anyone that the Venezuelan economy is unstable. You know what will? The fact that Venezuela had the highest inflation rate on earth last year (over 800%), and that it's been posting unprecedented GDP contractions for at least two years now. Also, collapsing oil prices and the fact that the Maduro regime will expropriate businesses on a whim will do infinitely more to signal to investors that Venezuela probably isn't a good place to put your money than any targeted sanction every could. I don't mean to be disrespectful so please do not take offence by this, but I suspect that you're not very well informed at all about anything that's happening in Venezuela.
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You have to be living in a bizarro world to think targeted individual sanctions are going to discourage market participants more than the government literally taking your poo poo to boost their popularity.
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Jun 28, 2017 23:18
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Wait, so the other Venegoons in this thread haven't been receiving their CIA checks? I haven't spent about five years badmouthing the government in these threads for free, you know!
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Jun 28, 2017 23:22
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Look at all the stupid or troll that's coming out to play now Venezuela has briefly hit the headlines again. I miss our old tankie regular. At least he linked some interesting delusion filled articles.
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Jun 29, 2017 01:22
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Munin posted:Look at all the stupid or troll that's coming out to play now Venezuela has briefly hit the headlines again. He at least put in the effort to link regime published articles when talking out of his rear end.
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Jun 29, 2017 03:03
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Bob le Moche posted:haha ok Holy poo poo, you are dumb.
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Munin posted:Look at all the stupid or troll that's coming out to play now Venezuela has briefly hit the headlines again. I think it's pretty telling that for all the hand-waving about economic and political subversion, I've never seen any even remotely plausible evidence events in Venezuela aren't being entirely driven by domestic forces. The PSUV had ten years of massive oil rents which they could have used to build an economy that could weather oil price shocks. Instead Maduro is now selling the country to Goldman Sachs at bargain basement prices. If you think Venezuela is going to be able to repudiate these bonds if Maduro is replaced, well Goldman Sachs has proved itself adept at manipulating policy in Washington so as to ensure nothing stops them from squeezing the last few drops of blood from little stones.
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ryde posted:You have to be living in a bizarro world to think targeted individual sanctions are going to discourage market participants more than the government literally taking your poo poo to boost their popularity. Heaven forbid democratically elected governments do things that are popular with the people, that they have been elected for and have a popular mandate to do: they're supposed to trick the masses into supporting them by feeding racist lies to them while doing the bidding of their private donors, just like in civilized first-world countries
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Bob le Moche posted:Heaven forbid democratically elected governments do things that are popular with the people, that they have been elected for and have a popular mandate to do: they're supposed to trick the masses into supporting them by feeding racist lies to them while doing the bidding of their private donors, just like in civilized first-world countries If you think literally anything the Venezuelan government is doing is popular, you should probably start reading more news from Venezuela.
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ryde posted:You have to be living in a bizarro world to think targeted individual sanctions are going to discourage market participants more than the government literally taking your poo poo to Fixed that for you. Bob le Moche posted:Heaven forbid democratically elected governments do things that are popular with the people, that they have been elected for and have a popular mandate to do: they're supposed to trick the masses into supporting them by feeding racist lies to them while doing the bidding of their private donors, just like in civilized first-world countries FYI the government has been busy ignoring the outcome of the last election and systematically undermined all democratically elected institutions in the country. They are currently busily ramming through a process which would allow them to rewrite the constitution whilst bypassing the constitutional framework Chavez himself set up. Munin fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Munin posted:Fixed that for you. good thing you were here to fix that for him, it was starting to get a bit too obvious what this is really about
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Bob le Moche posted:good thing you were here to fix that for him, it was starting to get a bit too obvious what this is really about Pray tell? What is it really about? I presume you don't mean that it is indeed in fact about a kleptocracy without democratic mandate.
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Oh cool, I had missed the Jacobin readers coming into the thread to "well, ACTUALLY..." all the Venezuelans here.
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I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s
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Bob le Moche posted:I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s I was asking earlier but could you explain your reasoning behind characterizing the current Venezuelan opposition as a color revolution, with the implication that it is funded by western institutions? To be honest I would expect American support for the Venezuelan opposition, I just haven't seen evidence for it yet.
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Squalid posted:I was asking earlier but could you explain your reasoning behind characterizing the current Venezuelan opposition as a color revolution, with the implication that it is funded by western institutions? To be honest I would expect American support for the Venezuelan opposition, I just haven't seen evidence for it yet. That's because there isn't any.
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Still blows my mind how ITT there have been both Venezuelans frantically trying to escape the country, and foreigners smugly insisting that if we weren't so naive we'd realize this was all a imperialist plot, the people love chavismo. You'd think people would stop after Madura attempted to dissolve the assembly for fucks sake.
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Bob le Moche posted:I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s You realize most of the posters in this thread are actually from Venezuela, right? And that they're telling you that you're totally, completely, ridiculously wrong?
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Bob le Moche posted:I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s I like how you totally avoid addressing the undemocratic nature of the regime after calling it democratically elected yourself. Ignoring facts and spouting empty slogans is all you seem to be capable of.
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themrguy posted:Still blows my mind how ITT there have been both Venezuelans frantically trying to escape the country, and foreigners smugly insisting that if we weren't so naive we'd realize this was all a imperialist plot, the people love chavismo. It's always been crazy to see people tell me that poo poo I've seen myself didn't happen, like entire families eating leftovers straight from trashbags because they can't afford food, kids being abandoned in the street as parents can't support them anymore, the police torturing and extorting kids who's only crime was to be out when a protest was happening; the feeling of dread every time you go out because you don't know if this is the day your home will get broken into as has happened with your neighbours' or that you will get kidnapped, mugged or worse, poo poo like the massive queues outside of supermarkets of people waiting for a single carton of milk. You know, the kind of poo poo that would make a guy sell everything, quit his job, and jump on a plane to another continent with everything they can carry with them. Or if they can't do that, go out to the street every day in anger and lash out at the government that has done nothing but gently caress you. After living for more than 20 years in Venezuela and experiencing the decay during the past 4 years, I can't possibly understand how anybody can still support the government after they've burned every bridge they have to the point where not even communists stand by them. You have to be a drooling idiot to still think they're in any way democratic after any of the poo poo they did yesterday, let alone this past year.
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I thought Bob was trolling, like that other guy who had a rap sheet 5 pages long, but I guess not. It's ironic, someone like that charging in like a bull in a china shop, with no knowledge on the subject beyond what you could get from CNN twisted through a game of telephone (sanctions on Venezuela, what) and with firmly held "beliefs" and an unwillingness to listen to everyone else. Hey Bob, do you not get that you're acting exactly like an imperial power? "Hey I know better than all you guys and know what's best for you. You're wrong because of this thing i heard once that I want to still be true  . DID UOU HEAR ABOUT THE 2002 COUP ATTEMPT???!"At least he's not posting walls of text like Borneo Jimmy.
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Chuck Boone posted:[*] Theory #1: This was the real deal. Perez and his band of rogue brothers-in-arms attempted to launch an insurrection against the Maduro regime and failed. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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im pretty much a hardcore socialist and defended the chavez government for pretty much ever, but its pretty clear now that the government entirely failed to prepare for a collapse in oil prices resulting in a destroyed economy and loss of popular legitimacy. the fact is that unless there is a sudden miraculous rebounding in oil prices above $100 a barrel the government is doomed, and the longer they hold onto power the worse it will be for them and venezuela. theintelligent thing to do right now would be to accept becoming the opposition and let the various neoliberal and reactionaries opposing them trip over each others dicks trying to run the government. Follow the Sandinista model, which successfully returned to power through democratic elections. instead it seems clear they are going to cling onto power until an inevitable bloody end.
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Man, the squandering of the oil windfall money has to be one of the greatest possible missed opportunities of the past century. Venezuela could have world class infrastructure, Caracas could have the best public transit in the world, the countries universities could have been built up to reduce dependence on oil, the list goes on. It frustrates me just thinking about it, and I've never even been there. I imagine pondering it must make Venegoons furious.
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themrguy posted:Man, the squandering of the oil windfall money has to be one of the greatest possible missed opportunities of the past century. tbf the chavez government during good times used oil money to more than halve poverty. unfortunately it failed to diversify the economy beyond a complete reliance on oil so those advances were totally lost when oil prices collapsed.
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consumed by normies posted:tbf the chavez government during good times used oil money to more than halve poverty. unfortunately it failed to diversify the economy beyond a complete reliance on oil so those advances were totally lost when oil prices collapsed. You paint that as a success but that's not even close to what could have been done with the massive amounts of money Venezuela was receiving during that period. There was a point where Venezuela was receiving more than 200 million dollars daily, they shouldn't have halved poverty, they should have completely eliminated poverty. This is money that could have been spent building hospitals, schools, prisons, on transportation and roads, on internet and telecommunications infrastructure, on universal healthcare, on universities, on the oil industry itself to make it more efficient, etc... This is so much money you could have spent half of it and still have made Venezuela the envy of the region, while saving the rest to pay off all international debt and create a rainy day fund a la Norway. Where was it spent instead? On making ALL petrol, electricity and water consumption in the country free (Which costed about a quarter of all that money), on military hardware including new SU-30 fighter jets and AK-104 rifles, on bribes, so many bribes, both domestically (Making Venezuelan government officials and their families some of the wealthiest in the world) and internationally as oil was literally gifted to many countries in the Caribbean to guarantee a majority in the OAS and a diplomatic shield that would guard the country from scrutiny even today, on an insane currency exchange scheme that caused massive arbitrage and bled the country dry. A tiny bit was spent on free cars, free washing machines, free TVs in a ploy to guarantee votes, resulting people to come out of "poverty" while still living in the same slums they've always lived and working the same minimum wage jobs they were working before. No other country suffered the drop in oil prices like Venezuela did, because nobody spent that money like Venezuela did. Diversifying the economy would have been a good thing, but it wasn't necessary, all that was needed was to stop pissing that money away. The famine wasn't caused by our failure to diversify, it was caused by the government, seeing how they could no longer afford free cars and TVs, started rationing food and distributing it by their own hand as a way to maintain their societal controls. fnox fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Bob le Moche posted:I love how I've been called both a "jacobin reader" and a "chapo guy" in this thread, it's very cute how you folks think opposing imperialist intervention was invented in the 2010s You are so amazingly stupid it's almost impressive.
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consumed by normies posted:im pretty much a hardcore socialist and defended the chavez government for pretty much ever, but its pretty clear now that the government entirely failed to prepare for a collapse in oil prices resulting in a destroyed economy and loss of popular legitimacy. the fact is that unless there is a sudden miraculous rebounding in oil prices above $100 a barrel the government is doomed, and the longer they hold onto power the worse it will be for them and venezuela. theintelligent thing to do right now would be to accept becoming the opposition and let the various neoliberal and reactionaries opposing them trip over each others dicks trying to run the government. Follow the Sandinista model, which successfully returned to power through democratic elections. Your opinion of chavismo is way too rosy, as fnox said. First of all, it's important to dispel the myth that the current crisis is all about oil prices. Oil could still be at $100 today and the Venezuelan government would still be running a deficit as they did during all those windfall years. The problem, on top of lack of diversification, is the fact they worked overtime to ruin the Venezuelan economy with dumb measure after dumb measure, including giving away almost every service for free, subsidizing our stupidly high gas consumption, implementing a draconian system of price controls, and a series of complex currency exchange systems. The result is that Venezuela was already facing severe shortages and very high inflation before oil prices crashed. Of course, things wouldn't be as bad if they hadn't, but we'd still be pretty screwed. Moreover, I really don't understand why reasonable people keep talking about the Venezuelan opposition as if they were free-market devils when most of them actually advocate for a government that's sort of a Chavismo-lite. The current government jails and tortures dissidents, actively blocks the entry of medical aid and food that could save people just out of spite, made a conscious choice to prioritize paying Wall Street by slashing imports (on which people depend to eat) almost by half during the past few years, blocks elections when it suits them, stacked all the branches of government full of its cronies, a lot of them are involved in drug trafficking, given away almost half the government to active military men, is actively trying to rewrite the constitution using tailor-made elections without a universal vote and people are still talking about them like they're just a tad misguided. Do they have to start kicking puppies on live television before their fans admit these dumbasses have no business either governing or being the opposition? The only place they should be is in jail. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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As a reminder, America could deal a killing blow to Venezuela at any time by refusing to allow shipments of their oil into US refineries. Since so much of Venezuela's oil based usages rely on refining in America due to scarcity of proper refinery infrastructure in VZ for their own oil.
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fishmech posted:As a reminder, America could deal a killing blow to Venezuela at any time by refusing to allow shipments of their oil into US refineries. Since so much of Venezuela's oil based usages rely on refining in America due to scarcity of proper refinery infrastructure in VZ for their own oil. So what you're saying is we should start a massive mailing campaign to the owners of US refineries calling them complicit in the murder of innocent Venezuelans by the Maduro regime?
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Schlesische posted:So what you're saying is we should start a massive mailing campaign to the owners of US refineries calling them complicit in the murder of innocent Venezuelans by the Maduro regime? The owners of the US refineries are Venezuelans themselves (CITGO), but in any case it'd sure be a tricky ethical case to be in. If they stop refining, the Venezuelan government will collapse, but it will drag the entire society into chaos as well. If they continue refining, they let people bleed out while the Maduro dictatorship attempts to entrench itself further. I'm still extremely surprised that there aren't large scale operations of oil bandits and sabotage/ransom demands/protection rackets like in the Nigerian delta. Is the military actually effective at keeping that down, or are Venezuelans just somehow the most peaceful people while also paradoxically having crazy high murder rates for decades? The only thing I've seen about piracy at all in Venezuela is small-time fishermen robbing each other and their neighboring villages for food (for reference: https://apnews.com/29e63ba3282d496cb6d91e9f53b3cd5e/Pirates-preying-on-Venezuelan-fishermen-as-industry-unravels )
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Saladman posted:The owners of the US refineries are Venezuelans themselves (CITGO), but in any case it'd sure be a tricky ethical case to be in. If they stop refining, the Venezuelan government will collapse, but it will drag the entire society into chaos as well. If they continue refining, they let people bleed out while the Maduro dictatorship attempts to entrench itself further. I had a buddy that used to work for Schlumberger here and according to him, most rigs are big targets for robberies. They trained the guys to worked on them to comply with all their demands and just hand over any equipment they wanted, so they saw it as the cost of doing business here, I presume. He also told me some companies actually paid protection rackets to avoid having to deal with these gangs, and PDVSA recommended that they do so as well since they couldn't rely on law enforcement.
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Squalid posted:I was asking earlier but could you explain your reasoning behind characterizing the current Venezuelan opposition as a color revolution, with the implication that it is funded by western institutions? To be honest I would expect American support for the Venezuelan opposition, I just haven't seen evidence for it yet. - The entire history of democratically-elected socialist governments and CIA inverventions in Latin America, including the history of such an intervention against the Chavista government in 2002 (vs "this time it's different i know it!") - The funding of a strong USAID presence in Venezuela (Well-documented vector of regime change) - US sanctions on Venezuela (you must be extremely naive to believe that these sanctions are in good faith and that other foreign government officials are judged by the US according to the same standards) - Multiple leaks revealing plans against Venezuela. (Even without the leaks, believing in the non-existence of such plans, given knowledge of history, is again extremely naive) - Massive US financial and military support for Venezuela's primary competitor on the international oil market, a brutal dictatorship that commits countless crimes against its people and numerous war crimes - Methods that have been sponsored by the CIA in other instances of regime change, such as phone company movistar spamming people with anti-government texts, or the "green helmets" PR campaign in western media, etc - Friends in Venezuela who share this view, and are not white youtubers or wealthy expats - US-based media compagnies like Twitter blocking pro-Maduro Venezuelan accounts as a matter of policy, while allowing literal nazis to use the platform - People who get all their ideas from pro-Imperialism outlets continuing to display their ignorance of basic facts about the situation to me, such as ignoring the fact that the parliament was suspended because of electoral fraud, ignoring deaths at the hands of the opposition, etc There is literally nothing I can do as a North American to help with what the Venezuelan people are going through, except opposing my own government's complicity in all of the above. I have no power in Venezuela and no influence over the government there. I also know very well how bad things will get if the opposition gets in power, because again I am not a naive tool with no knowledge of history or of the realities of politics. When this happens the rest of you will either reveal yourselves as the fascists that you are and openly support the death squads, or will suddenly lose all interest in what's going on in Venezuela and pretend nothing is happening like the liberal bootlickers that you are. Thanks for the title and avatar btw. I'm glad I finally got one after all these years. It's too bad about the homophobia though. 
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You don't have to disbelieve the history of US intervention in South America to know that the CIA isn't doing anything in the current situation. Lord knows the opposition could use some pointers.
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If your supposed leftism leads you to support a repressive dictator, you're a lovely leftist, sorry. (And if you're unwilling to denounce a repressive dictator based on the piss poor excuse that you don't live in their country, while being totally willing to denounce their opposition, you can hardly claim to do anything but support them.)
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How do you look at this headline and think "Ah yes, I'm right and definitely cheering for the good guys"?  Also, your list of "evidence" displays the same level of complete ignorance of facts that you demonstrated when you incorrectly claimed that there were sanctions on Venezuela. Seriously, read up on the situation. It's O.K. to be ignorant about a topic, but it's not O.K. to be ignorant about a topic and talk about it as if you were not. EDIT: Alright, I have time, so here it is. quote:- The entire history of democratically-elected socialist governments and CIA inverventions in Latin America, including the history of such an intervention against the Chavista government in 2002 (vs "this time it's different i know it!") In other words, the fact that the United States and the CIA exist means that at no point in history, from the moment of their inception until the Sun begins to die and consumes the earth, will there be an opportunity for grassroots, local drive for change in Latin America. Just because something has happened before does not mean that it will happen again. It's fine to look at history and be skeptical about the way that current events unfold in light of previous ones, but your default position here is "X happened in the past, therefore X is happening again". This is wrong. This is basic logic and I find it hard to believe that it needs to be explained. quote:- The funding of a strong USAID presence in Venezuela (Well-documented vector of regime change) How is USAID specifically driving the current wave of anti-government unrest? Did USAID collapse the Venezuelan economy to "trick" people into protesting? Did USAID install a kleptocracy to make people reject their government? How is USAID specifically driving the current wave of anti-government unrest? quote:- US sanctions on Venezuela (you must be extremely naive to believe that these sanctions are in good faith and that other foreign government officials are judged by the US according to the same standards) We've already addressed this. I now believe that you do not know anything about the sanctions placed on Venezuelan officials, or indeed how sanctions even work. I'm not sure what the U.S. placing/not placing sanctions on other people has to do with this. quote:- Multiple leaks revealing plans against Venezuela. (Even without the leaks, believing in the non-existence of such plans, given knowledge of history, is again extremely naive) "Multiple leaks". Can you show us one? Also, the rest of your argument is  . I'm sure the U.S. has a plan to nuke every capital city on Earth "In the event that...", but that's not evidence of anything. quote:- Massive US financial and military support for Venezuela's primary competitor on the international oil market, a brutal dictatorship that commits countless crimes against its people and numerous war crimes I don't see what this has to do with Venezuela, but even then I don't follow your logic. Are you saying that the U.S. should always back brutal dictatorships that commit countless crimes against their people and numerous war crimes? Or that it shouldn't do that? If it's the latter, well, then, what are you upset about? quote:- Methods that have been sponsored by the CIA in other instances of regime change, such as phone company movistar spamming people with anti-government texts, or the "green helmets" PR campaign in western media, etc This is also territory. Venezuelan media is run entirely by the government through CONATEL. Television and radio stations as well as newspapers have shut down because of negative coverage of the regime (See: RCTV, El Carabobeno, and many others). By "Green Helmets" do you mean the medical volunteers who provide medical care for protesters who have been brutalized by authorities? So... ok, I'm just not going to touch this one. quote:- Friends in Venezuela who share this view, and are not white youtubers or wealthy expats This is called confirmation bias. Just because your group of friends say X doesn't mean X is true. Your group of friends are likely to say X is true because, well, they're your group of friends. If I listened to what my friends in the U.S. were saying about the election, Bernie would have won with 100% of the vote. quote:- US-based media compagnies like Twitter blocking pro-Maduro Venezuelan accounts as a matter of policy, while allowing literal nazis to use the platform Can you show us examples of this? I want to see the section of Twitter's policy statement where it says "We're blocking pro-Maduro Venezuelan accounts but allowing literal Nazis to use out platform". Again, I think you're suffering from some confirmation bias here. quote:- People who get all their ideas from pro-Imperialism outlets continuing to display their ignorance of basic facts about the situation to me, such as ignoring the fact that the parliament was suspended because of electoral fraud, ignoring deaths at the hands of the opposition, etc Getting your news from source X over source Y doesn't make you more learned. What makes you think that getting news directly from the government (i.e., TeleSur) is going to give you a more enlightened view on the topic than someone who gets their news from a private news outlet? Bob, the point isn't to pick the "right" media outlet and then believe everything they say: the point is to pick an outlet, listen to what they say, and then (this is the key point!) think critically about what they say. I read/watch TeleSur all the time, and I read/watch private media outlets all the time, and I'm always trying to think critically about what I hear and read. That's the point. The National Assembly was never "suspended". Again, you're displaying a very troubling lack of even the most basic facts of the events that you're talking about. If you want to talk about what happened to the National Assembly, I suggest that you do quite a bit more reading and listening before you burst into a conversation thinking that you know what's going on. I'm not going to touch the rest of your "argument" because it's asinine. Bob, seriously, like I said before: not knowing things is OK. But forming opinions about things that you do not know about is not OK. 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Quorum posted:If your supposed leftism leads you to support a repressive dictator, you're a lovely leftist, sorry. If your supposed leftism consists in supporting tax-funded welfare reforms for the people who have citizenship in your own first-world nation, while simultaneously supporting wars and military action abroad, and imperialist interventions against countries that oppose your nation's domination or threaten the international financial interests of your nation's private businesses, then you are a fascist, sorry.
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