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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Nice. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/880363007452356609 E: 668 AD Colman of Lindisfarne, accompanied by 30 disciples, sails for Ireland, settling down at Inishbofin and founds a monastery. dispatch_async fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Here's the text of the Chuka amendment, which has no chance I reckon. It's hugely unlikely either will pass as an amendment to a Queens speech would be massively damaging to the government. It's all about which amendments will cause the Tories most embarrassment and bad PR to vote down.
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TheHoodedClaw posted:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/880361042152435712 Glad that Creasy's amendment will be discussed. Not actually sure it will pass despite being completely fair but it's definitely worth trying because it's just right to do. I'm sure more Labour MPs will vote with the government or abstain than Tory MPs will vote with the opposition. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 10:59
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learnincurve posted:Holy poo poo. My parrot heard Piers Morgan on those videos and went absolutely batshit insane with anger and rage. Good Parrot
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Nicky Morgan and Dan Poulter also signed a letter calling on hunt to reform the policy. Amber Rudd has also spoken in favour. Hunt promised a "consultation" yesterday but that was the first anyone had ever heard of it Talk of a dozen uneasy Tory backbenchers give or take
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Jun 29, 2017 11:00
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forkboy84 posted:Glad that Creasy's amendment will be discussed. Not actually sure it will pass despite being completely fair but it's definitely worth trying because it's just right to do. I'm sure more Labour MPs will vote with the government or abstain than Tory MPs will vote with the opposition. I think this will be a vote without debate per the standing orders
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Jun 29, 2017 11:02
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learnincurve posted:Holy poo poo. My parrot heard Piers Morgan on those videos and went absolutely batshit insane with anger and rage. The Absolute Birb.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:05
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If the amendment fails it will expose the influence the DUP has over the government's social policy. Even if they're not going to roll back gay marriage in Britain they can still make the Conservatives oppose progressive legislation such as this.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:08
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/880354812478590977 What a time to be alive.
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If I was paying the tuition fees at their current level to learn about economics and got that clueless bumblefuck as a lecturer I'd sue the UoM for false advertising / breach of contract.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:13
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/880354812478590977 you've got to be loving kidding lmao nationalise the universities right now, experiment over, total failure.
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forkboy84 posted:Glad that Creasy's amendment will be discussed. Not actually sure it will pass despite being completely fair but it's definitely worth trying because it's just right to do. I'm sure more Labour MPs will vote with the government or abstain than Tory MPs will vote with the opposition. Why would Labour MPs vote with the government? Are there really that many anti-abortion Labour MPs?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why would Labour MPs vote with the government? Are there really that many anti-abortion Labour MPs? There doesn't have to be very many rebels and yes, there are quite a few Catholic Labour MPs who often share their churches regressive views on abortion.
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coffeetable posted:if Creasy's amendment passes, would the DUP vote against the Queen's Speech? No Ian Paisley said yesterday this is a matter for the English NHS and has nothing to do with devolved issues and pretty much shrugged their shoulders
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Jun 29, 2017 11:19
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And remember this is a policy that has been in place for years, predating the Tory government It's a good time to challenge it cause the usual mumbling about the need to defer to the will of the assembly on this matter = deference to the DUP in the current climate
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Jun 29, 2017 11:22
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Isn't 'deferring to the assembly' likely going to be 'the Tories' anyway given direct rule is likely?
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Jun 29, 2017 11:27
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It'd be cool if the DUP end up being the ones screwed over this deal by being pulled back into the late-middle-ages instead of their usual prehistoric positions.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:28
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learnincurve posted:Holy poo poo. My parrot heard Piers Morgan on those videos and went absolutely batshit insane with anger and rage. This story might actually end with you carrying him around on your shoulders.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:29
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why would Labour MPs vote with the government? Are there really that many anti-abortion Labour MPs? Catholic and Muslim MPs may well be against it, the Catholic church has a more straightforward view against it, while there's a bit more leniency with Muslims who may want the period during which you can get an abortion cut from almost 6 months to 4(when the fetus allegedly gets it's soul) rather than banned outright, but some interpretations are more strictly anti-abortion, and I don't know whether or not MPs have been polled on this kind of thing.
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Someone way back was bemoaning the lack of investigative journalism earlier, and I agree. Thought the thread might be interested in the Tip Off podcast. I've only listened to the first 2 so far but it looks good.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:35
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Isn't 'deferring to the assembly' likely going to be 'the Tories' anyway given direct rule is likely? Well it will be 'the will of northern Irish parties' cause there is cross community opposition to abortion reform here (the DUP are joined by the nationalist SDLP, labours sister party in the province, in whipping against abortion reform). Any domestic abortion reform is a harder fight, while I was typing this the court ruling came in with appeals court reiterating it is stormonts domain to reform the law so in the event of direct rule the Tories will resort to "consultation" with the parties as only the Greens approve of extending existing English legislation here and every party would resist attempts to unilaterally impose reform from Whitehall (there was a legal argument this could be necessity under the UKs human rights obligations but the court ruling seems to have ruled that out). But this amendment has nothing to do with the assembly, a separate court case confirmed that the English NHS can provision these services if they want but the government said they did not out of "respect" to the fact the NI NHS made no such provisions. The court only narrowly voted to allow that policy to stand from a legal standpoint
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Jun 29, 2017 11:38
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Isn't 'deferring to the assembly' likely going to be 'the Tories' anyway given direct rule is likely? But this isn't "make Northern Ireland NHS do abortions", it's let N.Irish get abortions for free on the NHS in England & Wales. Or in England alone. I haven't a scooby how much control the Welsh Assembly has over their NHS.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:39
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Tesseraction posted:It'd be cool if the DUP end up being the ones screwed over this deal by being pulled back into the late-middle-ages instead of their usual prehistoric positions.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:43
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dispatch_async posted:Nice. Peter Bottomley remaining the One Good Tory, although he doesn't break the whip too often so I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.
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Jun 29, 2017 11:46
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Spangly A posted:nationalise the universities right now, experiment over, total failure. can something be double nationalised?
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and i must meme posted:can something be double nationalised? Universities are weird half nationalised things though
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well it will be 'the will of northern Irish parties' cause there is cross community opposition to abortion reform here (the DUP are joined by the nationalist SDLP, labours sister party in the province, in whipping against abortion reform). Hopefull RoI will vote soon to liberalise women's reproductive rights, in which case we can offer some reciprocity to NI after years of us depending on UK abortion services to prevent us having to confront our archaic Catholic constitution and all its ugly implications
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and i must meme posted:can something be double nationalised? Especially if it's Northern Ireland.
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https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/880380788302389249 so this gonna go on for a while yet
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ThomasPaine posted:Universities are weird half nationalised things though The older ones are established under Royal Charter. They're public institutions. Idk about the newer ones. e: an interesting quirk is that it's way harder to sue them in breach of contract, since it's an abuse of process to bring a claim in contract when it could instead have been actioned as a matter of public law but has been time barred. Any Manc goons (that have a ton of money kicking around) should definitely bring an application for judicial review though, just so we can read the Court's discussion of whether any reasonable person acting reasonably could have reached the decision to appoint Osborne. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Borrovan posted:The older ones are established under Royal Charter. They're public institutions. Idk about the newer ones. A quick survey of some of the newer ones in Scotland suggests a mix of Royal Charter (Stirling, Strathclyde), direct enabling legislation (Abertay,) and via the Privy Council (UHI). They're all public institutions though.
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Argh just made an application to rent a house; got told it was 520 quid application fee; replied with email sayin 'loving hell 520 quid' to the letting agent not my wife 
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Jun 29, 2017 12:22
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feedmegin posted:Argh just made an application to rent a house; got told it was 520 quid application fee; replied with email sayin 'loving hell 520 quid' to the letting agent not my wife RE: RE: "£550 now."
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drat. BBC News just cut away from a representative of Grenfell action group to show a statement by the Northern Ireland Secretary. When they cut back, with an apology, he said the people of Grenfell are currently wondering if they'd get more attention from Theresa May if they joined the DUP, and how shameful it was that she was willing to spend a billion pounds to stay in her home but couldn't find five thousand to prevent theirs burning down.
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feedmegin posted:Argh just made an application to rent a house; got told it was 520 quid application fee; replied with email sayin 'loving hell 520 quid' to the letting agent not my wife Didn't the Tories promise to make this poo poo illegal? Did that just get shoved by the wayside?
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jabby posted:drat. BBC News just cut away from a representative of Grenfell action group to show a statement by the Northern Ireland Secretary. When they cut back, with an apology, he said the people of Grenfell are currently wondering if they'd get more attention from Theresa May if they joined the DUP, and how shameful it was that she was willing to spend a billion pounds to stay in her home but couldn't find five thousand to prevent theirs burning down. Brutal. I really don't know why May wants to stay on as PM, she's getting battered at every turn.
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peanut- posted:Didn't the Tories promise to make this poo poo illegal? Did that just get shoved by the wayside? How much of their manifesto are they actually looking to do?
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peanut- posted:Didn't the Tories promise to make this poo poo illegal? Did that just get shoved by the wayside? It was in the Queen's Speech. She is not, in fact, an absolute monarch and cannot just abolish letting fees by saying so; Parliament has to legislate to make it so.
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