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DirtyRobot posted:I had the exact same reaction to Ornamented Death's post, especially given the context of it being a reply to a post about how poo poo N0S4A2 is, and suggesting this is comparable to the relative qualities of Stephen's short vs. long fiction Then learn to read I guess? This: nate fisher posted:Am I the only person who thinks Joe Hill has gotten worst with every book? Seriously novel wise Heat-Shaped Box > (or close to even) Horns > NOS4A2 > The Fireman. I was a big Joe Hill fan after Horns, but I found NOS4A2 (while very compelling at times) just pretty average in the end. The Fireman started out strong, but turned into a slog. I could care less in the end. I have lost my faith in Joe Hill. does not say what you seem to think it says, unless you equate things being average to them actually being poo poo, and that's the post I was replying to. And yeah, I think both Hill and King are better at writing short fiction than novels (of any length really, but the disparity becomes more and more apparent the larger the page count). That doesn't mean I think their novels are poo poo. I quite like all the novels BiggerBoat listed (though I vastly prefer the original text of The Stand), but if forced to choose, I'd pick (most) any of King's collections over any of his novels. I shouldn't be surprised by this exchange, the prevailing opinion on both SA and the internet in general is that if you don't think something is the greatest ever, then you must automatically think it's complete garbage; there's no room for a more nuanced opinion.
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Anytime long books by King come up I remember him saying in On Writing that three months is about the average time it should take to write any novel, even a long one. Then the back page of IT says it took him 4 years.
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oldpainless posted:Anytime long books by King come up I remember him saying in On Writing that three months is about the average time it should take to write any novel, even a long one. Then the back page of IT says it took him 4 years. The best part of On Writing was the bit about adverb usage. gently caress you dadly
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Sissy Spacek just signed to star in the upcoming Hulu series "Castle Rock". http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/26/castle-rock-sissy-spacek-jane-levy/ Carrie still looks drat good. I'm looking forward to this. It's not based on a particular story, but includes characters who've popped up in Castle Rock over the years. Pheeets fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 23:36
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Soul Glo posted:It's not a Stephen King book unless there's 2-3 "sexy" paragraphs that make you feel embarrassed for reading it though Makes me think of one line in one book in particular: "I left something for you upstairs, baby"  Anyone remember that?
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MrMojok posted:Makes me think of one line in one book in particular: Seems like Pet Sematary Someone recc'd a podcast that has a half hour segment every episode just dedicated to making you upset about his sex scenes. https://consequenceofsound.net/podcasts/the-losers-club/ I've only gotten through a couple, they're long winded.
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NOS4A2 sagged sometimes, but I tore through it in like two days. It was best when it was focusing on the villains, and the heroes interactions with them. Also, when Vic gets her hands on ANFO and says "he wants it to be Christmas every day, but I'll give him the loving 4th of July" it was so loving cheesy but so loving awesome.
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syscall girl posted:Get the Steven Weber audiobook and put it on your phone Conrad_Birdie posted:Now that I've actually read it I can officially chime in on the preteen orgy in IT: It's truly, truly awful and unneeded, but it's also two pages in an otherwise spectacular 1000+ page book. It didn't overwhelm or ruin the joy of reading the book at all. Mel Mudkiper posted:Its really loving weird and out of nowhere Everyone is always creeped out by the sewer orgy scene. Just imagine how poor Steven Weber felt having to read it aloud.
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Son of a Vondruke! posted:Everyone is always creeped out by the sewer orgy scene. Just imagine how poor Steven Weber felt having to read it aloud. I actually put a fair amount of thought into that. I was moving at the time so mostly getting furniture and boxes sorted. If I heard him read certain parts aloud I blocked them out with good old fashioned toe-stubs and such.
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And on The Mist front serious no messing about spoiler here Mary Bacon ... Mrs. Carmody (1 episode, 2017) I'm glad they're remaking it, but that seemed like an odd choice. Seriously don't mouse-over the spoiler there though if you haven't seen Spike Mist episode 1 edit just to prove my point Isiah Whitlock Jr. ... Gus Redman / ... (9 episodes, 2017) syscall girl fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Ornamented Death posted:Then learn to read I guess? Ok, dude. Calm down. Apparently I wasn't the only one who misinterpreted your meaning. Your clarification was fine without all the "typical SA goons, emirite?" meltdown.
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BiggerBoat posted:Ok, dude. Calm down. Apparently I wasn't the only one who misinterpreted your meaning. Your clarification was fine without all the "typical SA goons, emirite?" meltdown. No, but you were the one to immediately jump to putting words in my mouth. Perhaps take your own advice and calm down when someone maybe doesn't have the same opinion as you*? *Which wasn't even the case, but reading is too hard for this subforum about books  .
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Ornamented Death posted:No, but you were the one to immediately jump to putting words in my mouth. Perhaps take your own advice and calm down when someone maybe doesn't have the same opinion as you*? I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I asked a question and pointed out a few really long King works that are regarded amongst his best work in reference to your assertion that he writes short stories better better than tomes. But good job being a better reader than the rest of us dumb asses on this subforumI guess. You seem like a fun guy.
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Ornamented Death posted:No, but you were the one to immediately jump to putting words in my mouth. Perhaps take your own advice and calm down when someone maybe doesn't have the same opinion as you*? Jesus, come back once your cycle settles down.
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504 posted:Jesus, come back once your Cycle of the Werewolf settles down. There. I King'ed that up for you.
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Canuckistan posted:There. I King'ed that up for you. Very classy.
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BEtween Revival and 11/22/63 which should I read?
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oldpainless posted:BEtween Revival and 11/22/63 which should I read? 11/22/63 is his best novel in years, probably since the accident. I really like Revival myself, but some people hate the ending. (Shocker!)
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thanks friends. guess i have a new easy read book quit getting mad about nuance you nerds. get mad about mordred in dark tower ffs.
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oldpainless posted:BEtween Revival and 11/22/63 which should I read? They're both good. 11/22/63 is better but there's a huge section a little past half way that really, really loving drags. I skimmed a lot of it. Revival has the typical problem with the ending sort of going off the rails but I remember enjoying it. At the risk of angering Ornamated Death, I'd add "Under the Dome" as another one of King's longer books that's also really good. I'd forgotten that one. I guess if you count the Dark Tower stuff as one long book, you could throw those in as well. I've never read any of them but have heard mostly good things. I like King's short story work a lot but I'm not sure if the hit to miss ratio is higher than his epics. I think it might seem that way because with short stories, if one is kinda "meh", it's over so fast you can move on to the next one so you kind of forget the average ones while the great ones remain really memorable. I still think about that one with the outhouse and the one with the "snake finger" in the bathroom sink.
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Sure, you could have made that post without taking a shot at me by again insinuating I said something I didn't (despite a clear explanation of what I meant), but where's the fun in that? Also yes, "The Finger" is a great little story.
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ConfusedUs posted:11/22/63 is his best novel in years, probably since the accident. It's a tough choice. 11/22/63 is his boomer nostalgia book. He'd been working on it since before he was a writer. But Revival is just bonkers.
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Revival is haunting in its bleakness. I think it's great, because it builds a sense of dread in a way similar to that seen in Pet Sematary. There's this sense of inevitability throughout the whole thing. But unlike Pet Sematary, which ratchets up the tension throughout, Revival hordes the revelation until the very end. Revival meanders, never too far, but it certainly lets you relax and think that maybe, this time, everything will be okay. I think 11/22/63 is better overall, but the last few chapters of Revival haunt me.
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DIdn't 11/22/63 slow down in the middle because of a protracted relationship between teachers? Peak King right there.
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syscall girl posted:DIdn't 11/22/63 slow down in the middle because of a protracted relationship between teachers? yep.
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I don't think I've ever read Revival. Oh - wait. Is that the one about the pastor? If so, I read it but don't remember much about it.
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Ornamented Death posted:Sure, you could have made that post without taking a shot at me by again insinuating I said something I didn't (despite a clear explanation of what I meant), but where's the fun in that? Sorry dude. It's because I can't read.
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oldpainless posted:BEtween Revival and 11/22/63 which should I read? Read 11/22/63 first, but both are the best books he's written since the accident. Revival is simple but as punchy, pulpy, compact, and effective as something he would have written in the late seventies.
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syscall girl posted:DIdn't 11/22/63 slow down in the middle because of a protracted relationship between teachers? That was the best part. Revival is one of the few King books where I wish he had included more character information. And I love the ending. Bleak as gently caress.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:That was the best part. Totally agree on both points. The teachers section was the best part (I found the stuff after was the weakest part), and the ending of Revival was amazing.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:That was the best part. Yeah I actually liked it too but I figured people were hating it for the same reason they do Wizard and Glass
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Toss another vote on the "read both" pile, but I'll say you should read Revival first and then 11/22/63. Both are great, both are strongly character focused, but Revival was a quicker read (for me) and had a spectacular ending. 11/22/63's ending made me tear up a bit, though.
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Thanks for the opinions everyone
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oldpainless posted:Thanks for the opinions everyone more like oldnotthankless
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Apes-Ma posted:Firestarter is the perfect film to remake as the original kinda wastes the premise and botches the execution. It's just flatly directed and the soundtrack does most of the heavy lifting. George C. Scott is great as the villain, though. Yeah I really hope they have good people on this. Firestarter is like a top 3 King favorite of mine and I think it might be his single most tightly plotted book, written at a time when he might have been close the absolute peak of his abilities. I still think 'Salem's Lot has the potential to be a really great horror film also. I do think that a huge portion of the book is about the town, the corruption and death of the town that had taken root long before Barlow and company even showed up and how this made it ripe for his brand of evil. If King redid that story today, Barlow would probably show up in some dying Rust Belt MAGA voting town.
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The middle part of 11/22/63 is absolutely essential to the book, the main conflict of the story is Jake's desire to complete his mission while also maintaining his relationship with Sadie I just finished re-reading the book and I think it might be my favourite King novel
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USMC_Karl posted:11/22/63's ending made me tear up a bit, though. I've read it three or four times so far, and it always makes me tear up at the same 3 spots. Even though I know by now not to let it get to me, then Bam! every time. Not the most typical reaction to one of his books. I found the Fort Worth section to be the slowest and least necessary to the story.
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ConfusedUs posted:Revival is haunting in its bleakness. I think it's great, because it builds a sense of dread in a way similar to that seen in Pet Sematary. There's this sense of inevitability throughout the whole thing. Holy smokes, that's one hell of a sell, dude. I wasn't planning on buying any more books for a while, but I guess I'll be picking this up.
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USMC_Karl posted:....Revival was a quicker read (for me) and had a spectacular ending. 11/22/63's ending made me tear up a bit, though. People keep lauding the ending to Revival so maybe I'm conflating it with a different book. I read it in the midst of a King binge so that's possible but didn't Revival end with a giant ant monster or something crawling through a dimensional portal or something like that? Or was that Black House I'm thinking of?" Zwabu posted:I still think 'Salem's Lot has the potential to be a really great horror film also. I thought the TV series was surprisingly good for its time.
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A Typical Goon posted:The middle part of 11/22/63 is absolutely essential to the book, the main conflict of the story is Jake's desire to complete his mission while also maintaining his relationship with Sadie I've read King since the early eighties and felt like he had completely lost the plot well before the accident, to say nothing of the disastrous dreck that followed the accident. 11/22/63 might now be my absolute favorite book by him as well. It's actually kind of unbelievable that he pulled it off.
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