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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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OwlFancier posted:Because half the point of the european single market is making a euros only club and lol non-whitey get hosed. The UK was already pretty good at that before joining the EEC
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Pissflaps posted:My main concern with Brexit is that it's a shitshow of an idea voted for by idiots, being driven forward in the worst way possible by people on the far left and far right to push their own fantastical idealogical agendas with no regard for how it will affect ordinary people. Indeed, some of Labour's nationalisation plans would no doubt fall foul of EU rules.
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Pissflaps posted:My main concern with Brexit is that it's a shitshow of an idea voted for by idiots, being driven forward in the worst way possible by people on the far left and far right to push their own fantastical idealogical agendas with no regard for how it will affect ordinary people. Ordinary people voted for it. Give the people what they want. A firm. Hard. Brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:10
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Lord_Adonis posted:What's that got to do with immigration?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:11
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JFairfax posted:Ordinary people voted for it. Your gleeful Brexit cheerleading from afar is no more welcome now than the last time you were pulled up on it.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:11
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mediadave posted:Why do we care what racists think? because they run the country 
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Jun 29, 2017 21:12
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Guavanaut posted:Because when you run a lopsided trade system for centuries, then suddenly change your laws when cheap transport means that British West Indies people (and British Indians) realize that the terms of their existence as British Subjects entitles them to live anywhere in the Empire, not just in the places rendered poo poo, then turn around and say "check out how great this free trade and movement club for Europeans is" then it makes you a bit poo poo. And that's what Britain did. Sure I guess. I can see the psychological dimension of this problem. However, I think it is a bit late in the day to mitigate the consequences of such a policy. Our economic future is with Europe, not the Caribbean, Africa, Canada or Australia. we do not have the kind of export market that most Commonwealth countries would be interested in, and there is no comparative advantage (compared to the Single Market) in negotiating trade deals with them. Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 21:15
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Lord_Adonis posted:Sure I guess. I can see the psychological dimension of this problem. However, I think it is a bit late in the day to mitigate the consequences of such a policy. Our economic future is with Europe, we do not have the kind of export market that most Commonwealth countries would be interested in, and there is no comparative advantage (compared to the Single Market) in negotiating trade deals with them. "OK yes our foreign policy is hilariously racist and always has been but if we change that it might be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that."
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Jun 29, 2017 21:16
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OwlFancier posted:"OK yes our foreign policy is hilariously racist and always has been but if we change that it might be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that." Exactly, it would be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that. I don't see the point of your tautology?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:18
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OwlFancier posted:"OK yes our foreign policy is hilariously racist and always has been but if we change that it might be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that." So like, is that guy meant to be a satirical reversal of a hard brexiteer? It feels like his borderline-racist views on the Commonwealth are meant to parody the bewildered xenophobia of the Daily Express.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:18
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Pissflaps posted:Your gleeful Brexit cheerleading from afar is no more welcome now than the last time you were pulled up on it. I think brexit is a bad idea but I also think that a soft brexit is an impossibility and undesirable even if it were possible.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:19
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Lord_Adonis posted:Exactly, it would be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that. I don't see the point of your tautology? Let's say we meet, I'd quite like to kick you in the bollocks. I would have fun doing that, and so why should I not?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:19
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Lord_Adonis posted:Sure I guess. I can see the psychological dimension of this problem. However, I think it is a bit late in the day to mitigate the consequences of such a policy. Our economic future is with Europe, not the Caribbean, Africa, Canada or Australia. we do not have the kind of export market that most Commonwealth countries would be interested in, and there is no comparative advantage (compared to the Single Market) in negotiating trade deals with them. it is literally a reason why people voted brexit, though. It showed up repeatedly as a reason why asian-demographic voters voted leave against the standard income and education lines. So, Lord_Adonis posted:Why is the preferential treatment of Europeans necessarily a snub to any non-European nation idk, but it clearly matters.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:19
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JFairfax posted:I think brexit is a bad idea but I also think that a soft brexit is an impossibility and undesirable even if it were possible. It's clearly not impossible.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:20
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Tesseraction posted:So like, is that guy meant to be a satirical reversal of a hard brexiteer? It feels like his borderline-racist views on the Commonwealth are meant to parody the bewildered xenophobia of the Daily Express. People frequently seem to take the line that I am some sort of parody- I can assure you that I mean everything that I say with sincerity. Also, I am not sure what you mean by borderline-racist views on the Commonwealth. All I said was that the comparative trade advantage to be had between the Commonwealth and Single Market favours the latter.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:20
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Lord_Adonis posted:Exactly, it would be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that. I don't see the point of your tautology?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:21
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OwlFancier posted:Let's say we meet, I'd quite like to kick you in the bollocks. I would have fun doing that, and so why should I not? I'm game if you are, though I'm not sure how I have caused you such offence?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:21
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Adonis are you secretly a clone of Ayn Rand?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:22
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The confusion on Labour's stance on Brexit may come from the fact that, in Remain constituencies and especially in London, leaflets like this were incredibly common: In the case of Alex Sobel, he actually put his name to the Single Market amendment before abstaining when it came to the vote.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:22
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Lord_Adonis posted:People frequently seem to take the line that I am some sort of parody- I can assure you that I mean everything that I say with sincerity. That's just what a troll or parody would say. 
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Jun 29, 2017 21:23
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Pissflaps posted:It's clearly not impossible. You think the EU will give us access to the four freedoms without being a member of the EU?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:23
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OwlFancier posted:Adonis are you secretly a clone of Ayn Rand? I am not a Libertarian of any kind.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:23
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Tesseraction posted:That's just what a troll or parody would say. Well then I don't see how we can move past this point, if I cannot convince you of my integrity and sincerity.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:24
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JFairfax posted:You think the EU will give us access to the four freedoms without being a member of the EU? Sure, why not?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:24
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TinTower posted:The confusion on Labour's stance on Brexit may come from the fact that, in Remain constituencies and especially in London, leaflets like this were incredibly common: I like that now that the #LibDemFightback was a wet fart and your party have gone back to being an irrelevance you're back in here complaining about eeeeevil Labour party under Jeremy Hitlerstalin.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:24
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I mean generally the only people I have to explain the concept of doing nice things because they are good, to, are libertarians.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:25
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Guavanaut posted:Because sometimes when you're in a comparatively good position, you do things that are not best for you because they help others. Like you might buy chocolate that's slightly more expensive but not made by slaves, or take a lower wage to develop things for co-ops instead of corporate raiders. Unless the absolute only thing you're interested in is your own rational self interest, but people like that tend to be bad people. I agree. However, I don't see how enacting some kind of ersatz 'EU lite' free trade and free movement zone with the Commonwealth would help anyone.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:25
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Tesseraction posted:That's just what a troll or parody would say. I'd like to point out that Adonis had a meltdown in the Warhammer Total War thread about someone making a joke about the evils of the British Empire.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:25
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Lord_Adonis posted:Well then I don't see how we can move past this point, if I cannot convince you of my integrity and sincerity. Just, chill the gently caress out mate. Brexit as handled by David Dumbfuck is likely to be rather crap but freaking the gently caress out over it on Something Awful is probably not the best way to change that.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:26
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OwlFancier posted:I mean generally the only people I have to explain the concept of doing nice things because they are good, to, are libertarians. I concur that one should strive to do 'nice' things. However, one must be in a position to be able to follow through on these 'nice' things in the first place.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:26
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Skinty McEdger posted:I'd like to point out that Adonis had a meltdown in the Warhammer Total War thread about someone making a joke about the evils of the British Empire. I believe he is also the person who endorsed a military junta deposing the government to prevent Brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:27
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Skinty McEdger posted:I'd like to point out that Adonis had a meltdown in the Warhammer Total War thread about someone making a joke about the evils of the British Empire. looooool
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Jun 29, 2017 21:27
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Lord_Adonis posted:I concur that one should strive to do 'nice' things. However, one must be in a position to be able to follow through on these 'nice' things in the first place. I think the UK is quite capable of negotiating alternative immigration arrangements with other countries post brexit, and will in fact, have to do so to make up the skill gap which will exist as a result of the lack of EU immigration.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:28
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Leave it to video games to bring out the absolute worst in everybody
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Jun 29, 2017 21:28
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Skinty McEdger posted:I'd like to point out that Adonis had a meltdown in the Warhammer Total War thread about someone making a joke about the evils of the British Empire. I'm not sure what you mean by meltdown. I have no problem accepting that the British Empire was an evil endeavour- you will get no argument from me on that point. All I objected to was the imposition of collective and/or temporally displaced guilt on myself, and other people who share my nationality without recourse to their own individual circumstances. To be honest, I had just reached the end of a very bad and stressful day at work, and probably reacted negatively to what was in all probability a joke of the 'edgier' variety. Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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OwlFancier posted:I think the UK is quite capable of negotiating alternative immigration arrangements with other countries post brexit, and will in fact, have to do so to make up the skill gap which will exist as a result of the lack of EU immigration. I agree with you entirely.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:29
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Pissflaps posted:Sure, why not? Because you have to be members of the EU to have access to them
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Jun 29, 2017 21:29
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Lord_Adonis posted:I'm not sure what you mean by meltdown. I have no problem accepting that the British Empire was an evil endeavour- you will get no argument from me on that point. All I objected to was the imposition of collective and/or temporally displaced guilt on myself, and other people who share my nationality without recourse to their own individual circumstances. I hate to break it to you but states are continuous entities.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:29
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JFairfax posted:Because you have to be members of the EU to have access to them Why do you think this? There are several single market member states that aren't in the eu. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 21:31
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OwlFancier posted:I hate to break it to you but states are continuous entities. Indeed. However, the people who reside within them are not.
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