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nothing horrible about izetta, but definitely dull in a lot of the wartime drama/action where it could've been exciting which is a complaint i've heard about some of the writer's popular works. it was worth the watch for me because I went in expecting girls expressing their love for each other while riding an anti-tank rifle
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Space Flower posted:it was worth the watch for me because I went in expecting girls expressing their love for each other while riding an anti-tank rifle  Though I was disappointed that there was less of that than there was of pretty rote and boring political thriller stuff. The show spent a lot of time focusing on scheming and politics and trying to have the main characters when the war on their own, when for my money it could have been a lot more satisfying if it had just been about the main characters trying to hold the line against the Not-zis' sheer numbers until the allies won the war on other fronts. A good writer could get a lot of mileage out of just focusing on character interactions under the mounting stress and fear of a months-long siege, especially with a good romance at the center. Ah well. Least the fanart was good.
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kater posted:Still baffled by what was so horrible about izetta.  The one thing that felt somewhat gratuitous and a bit jarring despite the aim of being a simple *Wink wink! Fanservice time!* scene was how a lady (oddly enough, voiced by HanaKana) uses the excuse that she's getting Izetta's measurements to sexually harass her. And while it's a relatively short and nothing as exploitative as something like that scene from Cross Ange (or anything from Cross Ange, period), it's still like "Was that necessary at ALL?".
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Jun 29, 2017 22:09
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Darth Walrus posted:He's going to have to work overtime if he wants it to have a coherent plot, though. based on what, two shows in one dude's entire work history? give this poo poo a rest when the show hasn't even aired
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Jun 29, 2017 22:15
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He did the Planetes adaptation also so I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Space Flower posted:nothing horrible about izetta, but definitely dull in a lot of the wartime drama/action where it could've been exciting which is a complaint i've heard about some of the writer's popular works. This. I was looking forward to it, and it ended up being kinda disappointing so i dropped it a few episodes in.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:24
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oh apparently fate/apocrypha goes to poo poo in the middle
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Jun 29, 2017 22:26
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Okouchi is fine. Valvrave, Guilty Crown and Kabaneri all have their share of issues, but he's fairly reliable as a screenwriter.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:28
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I was also disappointed in kabaneri. Just left me feeling ... meh.
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Stairmaster posted:oh apparently fate/apocrypha goes to poo poo in the middle Will the anime get to that part?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:30
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stair's parroting opinions from 4chan that said f/a isn't very good at the start or at the end either. it's just kinda mediocre. some good characters but it's very messily written and is trying to juggle too many people, and there's a whole lot of scenes that do nothing to advance the plot and are just characters talking about what the plot will eventually be
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Jun 29, 2017 22:44
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that's the fun of an adaptation, it can make changes for the better I'm optimistic about all the anime this season, I don't think any of them will be trainwrecks
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Jun 29, 2017 22:47
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i think princess principal has real potential to be a good show that does really badly commercially just like flip flappers
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Jun 29, 2017 22:48
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i hope they make changes too and the fact that nobody cares about f/a unlike f/sn where people'd cry bloody murder if they changed shirou's hair color means they might, but iunno, they'd have to do some pretty drastic reworking to make f/a work and there are just base problems of the premise (the amount of characters, sieg,) that they can't really change so much as try and work around.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:50
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Chio-chan is getting an anime
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Jun 29, 2017 23:14
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i prefer trainwrecks to shows that turn out to be boring
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Jun 29, 2017 23:14
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the only trainwreck i have seen is Gangsta and that wasn't the sort of "lol xDD" thing people always try to make that stuff out to be. also, i prefer anime to be good.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:19
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I don't really understand what people mean when they call an anime a train wreck.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:19
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't really understand what people mean when they call an anime a train wreck. A bad anime. Usually one that tries to do a lot of things.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:20
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't really understand what people mean when they call an anime a train wreck.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:21
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't really understand what people mean when they call an anime a train wreck. a way for people to say they like symphogear on sa in 2012 without thinking people will think they're weird
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Jun 29, 2017 23:23
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Spiritus Nox posted:A bad anime. But the anime I've heard most often described as trainwrecks are Code Geass and Symphogear
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if i like an anime, I'd call it good. if something is fun and exciting even if the minute-to-minute plot doesn't make much sense, then that's just because they chose to emphasize something other than detailed plotting. while they could have done that in a way that didn't create holes, I can't fault them for using an animated medium to string together a series of cool, interesting animation sequences. That makes it good. imo the trainwreck meme is just people being very afraid to say they like a show in spite of its plot holes or weirder moments. if you like kabaneri or valvrave or whatever, just say you like them.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:26
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Excellent. 
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The Colonel posted:a way for people to say they like symphogear on sa in 2012 without thinking people will think they're weird
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Endorph posted:if i like an anime, I'd call it good. this
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Jun 29, 2017 23:29
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Eh season 2 of CG kind of was a train wreck in the negative sense. And Symphogear contains a train wreck.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:30
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Plotting is honestly one of the things I value least in a series.
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Guy Goodbody posted:But the anime I've heard most often described as trainwrecks are Code Geass and Symphogear I think a lot of the idea that Code Geass is a train wreck is just people mindlessly repeating the memetic circle jerk from 4chan or wherever back when R2 was airing. With stuff like Symphogear it's just a way of pretending that you don't like it unironically. With gross stuff like Cross Ange it's often a way of pretending you don't fap to it.
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Samurai Flamenco is a series that feels like it should be a "train wreck" but that train manages to keep on going even after it's gone off the rails and even gone on like two other sets of rails and I love it.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Plotting is honestly one of the things I value least in a series. Surface-level plot is by far the least important aspect of storytelling.
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Silver2195 posted:I think a lot of the idea that Code Geass is a train wreck is just people mindlessly repeating the memetic circle jerk from 4chan or wherever back when R2 was airing. With stuff like Symphogear it's just a way of pretending that you don't like it unironically. With gross stuff like Cross Ange it's often a way of pretending you don't fap to it. Why are people scared of liking Symphogear unironically? I only just recently watched it so I missed previous opinions on the show but I thought it was legitimately good and fun. Was the premise just too silly for them? Was it that really bad scene with Fine and Chris in season 1?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:37
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Why are people scared of liking Symphogear unironically? I only just recently watched it so I missed previous opinions on the show but I thought it was legitimately good and fun. Was the premise just too silly for them? Was it that really bad scene with Fine and Chris in season 1? show about magical girls powered by singing wearing revealing outfits broadcasting in 2012, not a cool thing to like on older adtrw
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Wark Say posted:Symphogear is rad. Symphogear Season 2 was just as much (if not more so) radder. S3 was when things were not as rad (still plenty fun, though). I have high hopes for S4. Wasn't season 3 the one with "do these look like swords to you?"
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The Colonel posted:show about magical girls powered by singing wearing revealing outfits broadcasting in 2012, not a cool thing to like on older adtrw From what I understand of older adtrw I get they'd dislike the outfits or whatever but what's wrong with things powered by singing. That owns! E: Guy Goodbody posted:Wasn't season 3 the one with "do these look like swords to you?" Yeah it was. It ruled.
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Endorph posted:if i like an anime, I'd call it good. This
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Silver2195 posted:I think a lot of the idea that Code Geass is a train wreck is just people mindlessly repeating the memetic circle jerk from 4chan or wherever back when R2 was airing. With stuff like Symphogear it's just a way of pretending that you don't like it unironically. With gross stuff like Cross Ange it's often a way of pretending you don't fap to it. well. it has things in it that are cool.
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The Colonel posted:show about magical girls powered by singing wearing revealing outfits broadcasting in 2012, not a cool thing to like on older adtrw *in extremely woke voice* you could have just said 'show about girls' *revs up motorcycle*
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Waffleman_ posted:Samurai Flamenco is a series that feels like it should be a "train wreck" but that train manages to keep on going even after it's gone off the rails and even gone on like two other sets of rails and I love it. The way I see it, people use "train wreck" in two ways: both to describe something they don't care about at all and just watch because they think it is totally bad, like The Room, as well as for things that have a crazy plot with twists and turns, whether they're bad or not in formal terms, even if they also happen to include other stuff that's relatively good and can be appreciated: characters, music, episodes, theme, action, whatever. So the term is actually kind of unhelpful unless folks clarify what they mean. There are individuals who will claim Samurai Flamenco became horrible and uninteresting when certain stuff happened (and kept happening), so they were watching it to see how bad things could become and nothing else, but others would say they enjoyed the craziness yet still kept some investment in the cast and even liked how it all eventually ended. Same with all the other shows like Code Geass and Symphogear. I liked the series I've mentioned above and just prefer to call them rollercoasters in order to make it clear that no, I don't think everything about them is bad or requires me to be "ironic" about the experience. Hell, I recall even Higurashi got called a "train wreck" back in the day and in retrospect that also seems harsh. wielder fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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if you're wondering what an anime trainwreck looks like watch handshakers, a series that hosed up everything
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