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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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I was at a post-election meeting hoated by the Morning Star last night, and one of the speakers there was saying the single market membership is entirely incompatible with Corbyn's manifesto. There's a requirment that by 2020 every eu member has a rail setup like ours, and it's apparently causing real issues for deutsche-ban lately. For Corbyn to be able to nationalise anything he's included in the manifesto, we would need to be out the single market to avoid competitions rules. Further, apparently if we remain in the customs union, we have to stay aligned to CETA, which I round out has all the horrible things we all opposed to TTIP for, but is already ratified. E, 1684 - The East India Company receives Chinese permission to build a trading station at Canton. mehall fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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JFairfax posted:brexit is gonna gently caress me over when I want to move to Europe. If you were able to secure the right to work in America i expect you'll be able to do the same in the EU post-Brexit. Unless you mean after retirement I suppose.
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I would wonder if this had nothing to do with Brexit at all and it's as simple as Corbyn was just using this to test his shadow cabinet's loyalty.
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Just to be clear, were the last 400 odd posts a slapfight about Brexit, or has there been any interesting news? TIA, Barry Foster Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 07:52
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Pissflaps posted:80% of the country wants a hard brexit? No, but only 20% is "hard remain". Not much more than that want "hard brexit" either. The fact is the Labour's currently policy is the most reflective of the national mood. I'm not happy about it but pigfucker called a referendum and we have to at least be seen to giving it a chance before we try and turn this ship(wreck) around. If Labour had whipped for an amendment to stay in the single market it's exactly what the Tories would want to bring politics back to being only about Brexit.
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Jun 30, 2017 08:01
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The right of the party are going back to what they did before the election. Infighting and throwing a big strop because they're not in charge. Corbyn was supposed to be slaughtered at the general election but instead he only went and bloody won seats against all odds. Now they're going to demand Corbyn listen to them despite him only winning so much because he did the opposite of what they told him to do. Because some people are just too self important to gently caress off and join the Lib Dems.
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Barry Foster posted:Just to be clear, were the last 400 odd posts a slapfight about Brexit, or has there been any interesting news?
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communism bitch posted:Brexit slapfight Did Lord Adonis make a terrible analogy?
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Jun 30, 2017 08:19
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I dunno my eyes glaze over whenever i see his posts
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communism bitch posted:Brexit slapfight Much obliged, Ober. Poor old Lord Adonis. His new av makes me lol, though.
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learnincurve posted:I would wonder if this had nothing to do with Brexit at all and it's as simple as Corbyn was just using this to test his shadow cabinet's loyalty. I've been thinking this as well, perhaps just a way of reconsidering some of the goodwill shown after the election.
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Jun 30, 2017 08:38
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I hope you're wrong and that the leader of the Labour Party isn't playing silly mind games with the UK's membership of the single market.
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mehall posted:I was at a post-election meeting hoated by the Morning Star last night, and one of the speakers there was saying the single market membership is entirely incompatible with Corbyn's manifesto. Yeah, these are pretty much the conclusions I'm coming to aswell, reading around. Under any other government I'd probably be pro-remain still, but under a Corbyn government I'd want an exit so he can actually do what 's in the manifesto. I am not too comfortable with the EU's wanton crushing or sidelining true left-wing governments.
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Jun 30, 2017 08:54
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Which parts of Labour's manifesto are incompatible with EU membership?
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Pissflaps posted:Which parts of Labour's manifesto are incompatible with EU membership? learnincurve posted:I would wonder if this had nothing to do with Brexit at all and it's as simple as Corbyn was just using this to test his shadow cabinet's loyalty. *the last few pages of hard-vs-soft/EU-vs-single-market chat were incredibly tedious so I'm going to accept that we simply don't know exactly what the will of the people is, but I'm sure we can agree that this is how it would be painted by the press, and that to pretend that immigration and sovereignty weren't major concerns of leave voters is flagrantly disingenuous Borrovan fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 09:15
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RabidWeasel posted:I've been thinking this as well, perhaps just a way of reconsidering some of the goodwill shown after the election. Corbyn didn't bring the amendment though, and on such an important matter it would be very unwise not to whip at all. Whipping for abstention was the best way to avoid a firm commitment one way or the other in line with Labour's strategy. Which is working. If some front benchers want to go against the party line on Brexit then they have to resign. He pretty clearly didn't engineer this situation, Chuka Umunna did.
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Chuka Umunna: We Should Be Prepared To Sacrifice Single Market Membership To Axe Freedom Of Movementquote:Chuka Umunna today confirmed he too would sacrifice access to the Single Market if it meant keeping the current freedom of movement rules. I guess he must have changed his mind since last September. I'm beginning to doubt that his proposed amendment was motivated by a genuine belief in remaining in the EU.
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ultrabindu posted:Chuka Umunna: We Should Be Prepared To Sacrifice Single Market Membership To Axe Freedom Of Movement What a hypocritical, weathercocking piece of poo poo.
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Barry Foster posted:Just to be clear, were the last 400 odd posts a slapfight about Brexit, or has there been any interesting news? https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/880490781999497216
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JFairfax posted:because brexit: We'll see I suppose, but India isn't a country that's a major importer from the UK, at least compared to exports in the opposite direction. Any free trade deal would favour them more than the UK. And I did say Australians might get easier access, but that's hardly going against the 'whites only' argument.
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ultrabindu posted:Chuka Umunna  There was never any other point, that's what the common market is! So I'm guessing he's trying to set himself up as a badboy rebel willing to defy Corbyn and appease Labour moderates whilst simultaneously showing pragmatic realism by arguing for the politically tenable position that, coincidentally, is exactly what Corbyn wants. I smell a leadership bid. Is there really no way to prevent this abject dipshittery?
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Jun 30, 2017 09:48
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Lead us Gary.
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Jun 30, 2017 09:49
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'I want something mediocre where I don't have to take a strong position on anything. Please, just let us go back to the status quo so I can be rich in peace.' - Every centrist.
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Whiny BriNOs (Brexiter in Name Only) still fighting the Will of the People with their Brexcuck plans. We need a BREALXIT insert super cringe pepe the frog meme here <--
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Jun 30, 2017 09:52
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Maybe Gary Linekar could be our Macron?
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Just a reminder to all those hand-wringing about his decision on this amendment, when Corbyn triple-line whipped on Article 50 this thread threw a collective fit of rage. During the election, campaigners on the ground said it was a godsend for persuading Leave voters to return to Labour. Taking a hardline stance against Brexit when it's not universally popular is self-defeating. It might make some of you feel good but it won't actually do anything.
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Jun 30, 2017 09:54
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As a Remain voter and Labour voter I'd even take a pro-soft Brexit stance but pushing for a hard Brexit is turning me off.
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Poor show, Gary, poor show. And you were doing so well
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Tesseraction posted:Just a reminder to all those hand-wringing about his decision on this amendment, when Corbyn triple-line whipped on Article 50 this thread threw a collective fit of rage. During the election, campaigners on the ground said it was a godsend for persuading Leave voters to return to Labour.
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Pissflaps posted:As a Remain voter and Labour voter I'd even take a pro-soft Brexit stance but pushing for a hard Brexit is turning me off. And he's pushing for the softest one that aligns with his intention to transform Britain into a better place for all those in it. You can disagree that he'll achieve it but you also spent two years crying that Corbyn was going to be utterly destroyed in a general election and, well...
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The comments on that are hilarious. "I want a centrist party" "Join the lib dems" "I want a centrist party that wins"
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Tesseraction posted:And he's pushing for the softest one that aligns with his intention to transform Britain into a better place for all those in it. You can disagree that he'll achieve it but you also spent two years crying that Corbyn was going to be utterly destroyed in a general election and, well... I've seen nothing from labour that indicates they're pursuing a soft Brexit.
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Pissflaps posted:I've seen nothing from labour that indicates they're pursuing a soft Brexit. You routinely only see what you want to see, and it does not always coincide with reality.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Whiny BriNOs (Brexiter in Name Only) still fighting the Will of the People with their Brexcuck plans. We need a BREALXIT If you say "Intrinsic Field Marshal" three times in the mirror he will appear behind you and tattoo a pepe on your buttcheeks
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Just to note, Pissflaps' definition of Soft-Brexit™ is one where we're basically exactly the same as now except with no say in how the EU governs at all.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:11
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With all respect Gary, I imagine a fair number of people also felt politically homeless from 1994 to 2015.
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Praseodymi posted:The comments on that are hilarious. lol
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Kokoro Wish posted:Just to note, Pissflaps' definition of Soft-Brexit™ is one where we're basically exactly the same as now except with no say in how the EU governs at all. That's most folks' definition of Soft Brexit, because it's basically "well, you all poo poo the bed, may as well poo poo it as little as possible"
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Tesseraction posted:You routinely only see what you want to see, and it does not always coincide with reality. I'm not sure many people would agree that labour is pursuing a soft Brexit. Kokoro Wish posted:Just to note, Pissflaps' definition of Soft-Brexit™ is one where we're basically exactly the same as now except with no say in how the EU governs at all. Yes that's a soft Brexit. It's a bad idea, but not as bad as a hard Brexit.
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Let's not spend another day arguing about definitions, that was really dull. Hard remainers think that even leaving the single market is a hard brexit. Hard leavers think that anything short of leaving the customs union is a soft brexit. Labour calls for tariff free access to the single market and an end to free movement of persons, which is somewhere between the two. E: Some more observations: the referendum was a terrible idea, but leave won, and the main reason people voted leave is due to concerns about free movement of persons and our legislative supremacy. The flapsiteers would have us keep free movement of persons and sacrifice further legislative powers, which would be an affront to democracy (although note again that the referendum was a terrible idea) and political suicide. Conversely, leaving the customs union and therefore surrendering tariff free access to the single market would be utterly disastrous to our economy and would also be political suicide. Labour policy on the matter is, therefore, 100% correct. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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