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theshim posted:You are really mad about Fates for some reason, maybe you shouldn't follow the LP if it makes you angry. As I already said: I'm following the LP because I want to see how it ends (a variant of morbid curiosity combined with the "sunk cost fallacy" at a guess). I'm mostly getting angry at its DEFENDERS right now. Look at it this way: Think of something you consider to be absolutely horrible with almost no redeeming values, made worse because you can see hints of something that could have been great if it'd just been done right. Then think of someone who actually, unironically LIKES that thing, often for the very reasons you hate it. Now picture that someone telling you you're flat-out wrong and your opinion doesn't count while using said "things you hate that they like" as "proof" that the thing is objectively, universally good and you should like it OR ELSE (using some hyperbole here, but bear with me). Wouldn't you get pissed off at them? Granted, an inversion of the above implies that what I'm saying is pissing other people off because I'm doing more-or-less the opposite of the above scenario... but right now I'm just trying to explain my viewpoint (and, incidentally, coming to the conclusion that Revolver is not worth speaking at, especially since they're plainly not listening). At least I'm acknowledging that all this stuff is a matter of opinion. inthesto posted:Also, it gave us the first female fighter, and she rules. Actually, Fates pretty much has two, one for each faction: Rinkah (who is a fighter in all but name, albeit one with abnormally low Strength for her class and an unusual choice of secondary weapon) and Charlotte (who is more along the lines of Awakening's Barbarian, right down to her base class's promotions).
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CptWedgie posted:Strike one: My posts are insufferably stupid, regardless of the standard you use to judge them. Strike two: My long-winded arguments are forgettable at best. Strike three: My posting gimmicks are poorly-executed, often nonsensical, never foreshadowed or adequately explained, and pretty much invariably detrimental to the forum itself. Conclusion: I am a horrible poster and everyone should put me on ignore.
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Jun 30, 2017 21:48
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nah you screamed and melted down about wanting to kill the writers of a video game, you're a weird lunatic who should really stop posting in this thread.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:07
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Would you all stop it this getting ridiculous.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:21
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U-DO Burger posted:blatant insults of subjective credibility If you find me so horrible, just take your own advice: Skip over my posts and pretend I'm not here. Insulting me isn't gonna make me go away, and may in fact provoke me into responding to you (as it did here, if only to call you out on using modified quotes for the sole purpose of insulting me when you COULD just be ignoring me yourself; again, I am fully aware how troll-y that makes me sound). In fact, in the interest of keeping this LP relatively civil, I'm going to recommend doing just that: If you find me insufferable, DON'T READ MY POSTS! I'll admit that there tends to be a lot of words to skip, but it's not hard to do so (the Page Down key exists for exactly this reason), and last I checked nobody's holding a gun to your heads and FORCING you to read them. Also, I'd say that quoting someone (even if you modify it, as Burger did here) is the exact opposite of ignoring. Kinda like I've decided to do with Revolver, actually. We're obviously never gonna agree (due to the scenario I've already detailed), so why waste everyone's time rehashing the same arguments again and again? It'll be easier on everyone involved if we just refuse to acknowledge each other. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 30, 2017 22:28
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Vote's over. Camilla and Takumi are the fill-ins.  ......
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Jun 30, 2017 22:29
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Was that C support real? 
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Tae posted:
I am so disappointed that the entire support wasn't just ellipses and facial expressions that got gradually more approving
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Jun 30, 2017 22:39
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:I was playing through Conquest when I got Echoes, tried out Echoes and immediately stopped my Conquest play-through. Echoes is just so much more competently done, with actually likeable characters that mostly aren't idiots. The maps can get repetitive, but I think it's basically a wash with Mila's Turnwheel preventing you from having to redo entire maps for a miss-click like in Conquest. I always play these games on Casual (cuz that's all I am) so it's never been an issue for me. Also, I don't know about you guys but when I replay a game that I regularly beat, I generally skip cutscenes again unless there's a funny or cool part that comes up somewhere. I've seen it already. I remember it, I just wanna get back to shooting robits.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:41
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Dr. Fetus posted:Was that C support real? I chose to believe that it's a parody of fans making unofficial supports for edgy characters like FE7 Karel and Jaffar that are literally just "...". It dulls the sting that SOMEBODY CHANGED IT FROM THE JAPANESE SUPPORT, WHICH WAS THEM ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BOTH ASSASSINS.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:41
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Dr. Fetus posted:Was that C support real? No, it was an idiotic joke someone at Treehouse thought was funny and replaced their actual C-rank conversation with. Here's a rough fan translation of their actual C support: C SUPPORT Saizou: You’re…. The assassin from Nohr, Belka aren’t you. Belka: …..did you want something? Hoshido’s shinobi…..Saizou. S: Oh….? It seems that we already know one another’s names. B: Yes…. The name Saizou of Hoshido is widely known in Nohr. The next king’s faithful retainer…. As well as an assassin of high ability. S: Same here, from a young age to kill without hesitation, rumours of a little girl that was a ruthless murder weapon. B: …I see. How many…. Have you killed? S: What’s with that question….. you remember such things? B: As an assassin counting is a daily routine in my job. But after I was taken in by Camilla…. I stopped counting. I don’t know if that’s good or bad for me… only that that had changed. S: Is that so. B: ….I’ve answered. So how about you? S: I…. can never forget. Even if I don’t want to remember…. Even if I want to forget….. The faces and numbers of people that I’ve killed…. It’s been engraved clearly into my heart. B: ……I see. S: To have to join hands with an assassin from an enemy country like this must be fate. We both have Lords that we must protect….. Belka. Please take good care of me from here on out. B: Yes. It's even more dumb when you look at how their B conversation starts.
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Junpei posted:It dulls the sting that SOMEBODY CHANGED IT FROM THE JAPANESE SUPPORT, WHICH WAS THEM ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BOTH ASSASSINS. Don't be ridiculous, Hoshido doesn't need assassins, they're pure and good and wholesome and Magic-anti-bad-thoughts barrier! 
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Jun 30, 2017 22:46
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RareAcumen posted:I always play these games on Casual (cuz that's all I am) so it's never been an issue for me. I tried playing Fates on Classic, but honestly battle save is something that should just be in Fire Emblem. Having to restart a map because of one error is the pits. I'd even be fine with checkpoints, like how FE12 did it (I can't remember if FE11 did the same thing).
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BlackPersona posted:Don't be ridiculous, Hoshido doesn't need assassins, they're pure and good and wholesome and Magic-anti-bad-thoughts barrier! ...when you put it that way, it makes them sound either incredibly creepy or like total Mary Sues/Marty Stus.
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CptWedgie posted:There's obviously no getting through to you. I'm not sure why I'm bothering... jesus christ dude get a hobby this post is so bad that it made me like fates more just to spite you edit: also i guarantee you haven't written better plots than this going by your writing in your posts
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Lord Koth posted:No, it was an idiotic joke someone at Treehouse thought was funny and replaced their actual C-rank conversation with. But they totally get all of that across with just their ellipses  !Joking aside, they are getting something across, even with no words, since their facial expressions change with each line they ... say? make?, suggesting that they are reacting to each other.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:55
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the issue with that support being changed into that in localization is that the beruka/benny support is literally that exact same gag, so now it's just redundant
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Jun 30, 2017 22:59
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Wait, what? I heard Treehouse took it upon themselves to "fix" some things in people's backgrounds that they didn't like, but I'm not sure why this one was replaced.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:59
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Seyser Koze posted:Wait, what? there's tons of random changes like that strewn across fates, often haphazardly. It's just a really bad translation. Say what you will about the changes to, say, Gregor in awakening, at least they're consistent.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:00
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inthesto posted:I tried playing Fates on Classic, but honestly battle save is something that should just be in Fire Emblem. Having to restart a map because of one error is the pits. I'd even be fine with checkpoints, like how FE12 did it (I can't remember if FE11 did the same thing). Yes, for levels this big, in-map saves should always be there.
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RareAcumen posted:Yes, for levels this big, in-map saves should always be there. Or Mila's Turnwheel. drat, is that one of the most amazing things to come out of Echoes.
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they should have done the thing tearring saga does where there's a limited use staff that lets you save mid-battle
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I've heard a theory that since the C support heavily implies/almost explicitly mentions that both Saizo and Beruka were child soldiers/assassins, the ESRB lost its mind and thus the change happened. It seems that apparently the ESRB objects to explicit or heavily implied mentions to child soliders, but is fine with the subject never being brought up on screen (See: the Halo series and how the Spartans were kidnapped as children and turned into child soldiers, but since most of that is mentioned in side material it gets a pass from the ESRB). It would make sense since the B support is unchanged, meaning the ESRB only saw the C support part.
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AradoBalanga posted:I've heard a theory that since the C support heavily implies/almost explicitly mentions that both Saizo and Beruka were child soldiers/assassins, the ESRB lost its mind and thus the change happened. It seems that apparently the ESRB objects to explicit or heavily implied mentions to child soliders, but is fine with the subject never being brought up on screen (See: the Halo series and how the Spartans were kidnapped as children and turned into child soldiers, but since most of that is mentioned in side material it gets a pass from the ESRB). It would make sense since the B support is unchanged, meaning the ESRB only saw the C support part. Well it's just a theory, so there's no real proof of this. Either way, if they were gonna change that, they should have cleaned up that minor loose end left behind in their B support.
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AradoBalanga posted:I've heard a theory that since the C support heavily implies/almost explicitly mentions that both Saizo and Beruka were child soldiers/assassins, the ESRB lost its mind and thus the change happened. It seems that apparently the ESRB objects to explicit or heavily implied mentions to child soliders, but is fine with the subject never being brought up on screen (See: the Halo series and how the Spartans were kidnapped as children and turned into child soldiers, but since most of that is mentioned in side material it gets a pass from the ESRB). It would make sense since the B support is unchanged, meaning the ESRB only saw the C support part.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:19
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Tae posted:Vote's over. Camilla and Takumi are the fill-ins.
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Endorph posted:they should have done the thing tearring saga does where there's a limited use staff that lets you save mid-battle No that one's bad, don't do that
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Rangpur posted:game redeemed imo quote:Benny: ... like i said, the benny/beruka support has the exact same gag but executed better
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Jun 30, 2017 23:25
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I missed that part
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also i don't get why it's beruka and not veruca EDIT: this thread is making me consider doing a tears to tiara 2 LP, which has me worried because I got about three missions in before I started involuntarily yelling at the cast to shut up Seyser Koze fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Endorph posted:edit: also i guarantee you haven't written better plots than this going by your writing in your posts Actually, I'm pretty sure I have, though I don't particularly blame you for being skeptical. However, it may have been more of a fluke than anything, and I at least recognize that I'm a bad writer (and thus don't inflict my works on the world anymore). Honestly, at this point I'm pretty ashamed of my writing, so I'm not going to prove its relative quality one way or the other. Feel free to assume that I'm lying or mistaken; won't hurt me any. Also: I've also decided to (at least try to) ignore the other repeat-offenders, since singling Revolver out won't fix the problem. Just keep my advice (live and let live, basically) in mind, and things'll hopefully actually get bearable around here instead of the current toxicity (which is approaching "scour all life from the planet" levels). Seyser Koze posted:also i don't get why it's beruka and not veruca Literal transliteration, because  .
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Oh hey! Camilla and co. joined up earlier than I thought they would on this route, that's neat. Maybe Beruka will gain some strength and speed on this run, she certainly didn't perform as well as I thought she would on the previous run. Every map we get into Revelations is just a new layer of... questionable design decisions. Some of these I can chalk up to rushed deadlines, but my inner desire to defend a series I really enjoy is certainly getting worn away by some of these maps. Krumbsthumbs fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Seyser Koze posted:also i don't get why it's beruka and not veruca You want her to be named a wart?
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Or "vivacious and strong-willed" according to babynamewizard.com.
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As usual in Fire Emblem, character names can change fairly significantly in translation in order to try and communicate an idea better. My personal Fates favourite is 'Zero' becoming 'Niles', as in 'nihil'.
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ungulateman posted:As usual in Fire Emblem, character names can change fairly significantly in translation in order to try and communicate an idea better. Wait, I thought it was supposed to be 'Niles' as in 'Nil'.
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ungulateman posted:As usual in Fire Emblem, character names can change fairly significantly in translation in order to try and communicate an idea better. But again. "Beruka."
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Junpei posted:Wait, I thought it was supposed to be 'Niles' as in 'Nil'. Nihil fits with his personality, and Nil means the same as Zero. Both work.
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Seyser Koze posted:But again. "Beruka." Also there's apparently this: Fire Emblem Wiki posted:Beruka is a derivative of the name Beronica (the origin of the name Veronica), a name of Old Greek origin from φέρειν (phérein) "to bring", and νίκη, níkê, "victory", meaning "bearer of victory" or more literally "she who brings victory", possibly alluding to the fact that she completes most if not all her assignments/jobs.
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AradoBalanga posted:Her original name is spelled "ベルカ", and Beruka is a plausible translation, albeit a very literal translation.
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