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Plutonis posted:All right guy who liked FO3, thanks for your input. which fetch quest between two places named after cornish gibberish did you like best
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BvS and FO3 (pre dlc) both have the same irredeemable flaw. They have nonsensical Pyrrhic victories. In both the movie and the game there is obviously someone who is immune to the hazard but still capable of taking the correct action to finish the plot. In BvS it's DC Best Character Wonder Woman, in FO3 it's the Super Mutant Fawkes. Both of these characters are immune to the hazard that will kill the 'main character', allowing them to harmlessly spear Doomsday with the kryptonite lance/go into the radiation chamber to turn on the water filter. There, I said it, that's one of the many reasons why I hate BvS and FO3, but it's specifically one they both had in common on release.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:03
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Kwyndig posted:BvS and FO3 (pre dlc) both have the same irredeemable flaw. Except that complaint is completely nonsensical in the context of BvS. The only reason Superman is able to get to Doomsday with the spear at all is because Wonder Woman's holding him down with her lasso; Doomsday's growing stronger by the instant, and they don't really have time to communicate a plan. Compared to Fo3 where they monologue about heroic sacrifice in front of the person who wouldn't have to sacrifice anything. e: not to mention that's it's not even the Kryptonite spear that kills Superman, it's being impaled through the heart by a spiky mutant space monster, which presumably would have killed Diana too. It's like people didn't even watch the movie. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 23:13
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Only a god can kill a god.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:23
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inklesspen posted:Only a god can kill a god. There's a separate line of thinking here which is "realism is a garbage way to assess mythic stories" but first things first.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:23
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Look, if you wanna talk about the logical result of superpunchdudes getting punched, you have to go by the established yet bizarre constraints on superpunchdudes. Otherwise we are here all day trying to establish why the gently caress a chunk of a dead planet can hurt the dude who was born on that planet, and also how it even survived atmospheric re-entry.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:25
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inklesspen posted:Look, if you wanna talk about the logical result of superpunchdudes getting punched, you have to go by the established yet bizarre constraints on superpunchdudes. Otherwise we are here all day trying to establish why the gently caress a chunk of a dead planet can hurt the dude who was born on that planet, and also how it even survived atmospheric re-entry. A wizard did it
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inklesspen posted:Look, if you wanna talk about the logical result of superpunchdudes getting punched, you have to go by the established yet bizarre constraints on superpunchdudes. Otherwise we are here all day trying to establish why the gently caress a chunk of a dead planet can hurt the dude who was born on that planet, and also how it even survived atmospheric re-entry. Well, that's precisely what I mean, though. Setting aside BvS for a second and just looking at Superman generally, Kryptonite hurts him because Krypton was arrogant, complacent, and self-destructive. Superman's hurt by a chunk of his own home planet because his heritage is, thematically, a weakness; it's his humanity that makes him good. "How can you be poisoned by a piece of where you were born" is a logical problem that any given handwavey solution will do for. It doesn't really matter. Or more succinctly: canyoneer posted:A wizard did it
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they should have given wonder woman the spear lol
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Jun 30, 2017 23:30
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I can't figure out which cuil level we're on right now.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:31
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You'd think a forum so enamored of storygames and contemptuous of rules-as-physics would be able to understand these principles by analogy. 
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Jun 30, 2017 23:34
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I'm gonna go out and say that Superman's sacrifice was the least of problems with Zack Snyder's Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Justice
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Jun 30, 2017 23:36
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Kwyndig posted:BvS and FO3 (pre dlc) both have the same irredeemable flaw. Wonder Woman was not immune to being stabbed through the heart.
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Superman is a versatile character that can support many different interpretations, and Zack Snyder's version has merit, although it differs from what one expects. Dawn of Justice was going great up to the scene where Lex Luthor blackmailed him, but after that it abruptly turned into a different, dumber movie, only to change back for the climax of the big fight, where Superman stabs himself in order to atone for, and vanquish the living embodiment of, the time he took a life. My biggest problem with it was that they had an imperfect clone of a Kryptonian going around, but they decided to make it a mute and name it Doomsday, instead of adapting Bizarro.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:55
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Bongo Bill posted:Superman is a versatile character that can support many different interpretations, and Zack Snyder's version has merit, although it differs from what one expects. No one would ever take seriously a movie where Bizarro killed Superman.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:No one would ever take seriously a movie where Bizarro killed Superman. as opposed to the movie we got
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Fallout 3 had fun and goofy sidequests compared to a lot of New Vegas, while New Vegas had better systems, better DLC, and a definitively better core storyline. What really matters, though, is that they both have pretty great mods the other doesn't, and so they're both worth a whirl to try out stuff like Sidney Follower (FO3) or New Vegas Bounties (NV). So many nerds worked so hard to make those games better, it's pretty amazing when you can get a fully frankensteined version of either game going.
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Either game, hell, get Tale of Two Wastelands and you can play through FO3 in New Vegas.
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Pope Guilty posted:Either game, hell, get Tale of Two Wastelands and you can play through FO3 in New Vegas. This is the correct answer to replaying either game.
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You know, I love that these people have the technical competencies and willingness to do projects of such enormous scale, and I am 100% behind any amount of effort put into any non-sexy/furry/anime mods, but merging Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas strikes me as sort of like using the AD&D 2nd Edition -> D&D 3rd Edition character converter so you can play the same character simultaneously in two campaigns and keep it updated in both. Like, O.K., you can do that, but why is it that important to do both at once? Seamless integration into the thread topic I suppose I have accepted "because it is cool" as sufficient reason many times before, so that works here too.
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Speaking for myself, the one nice thing Fallout 3 has going for it is that there's a ton of vertical environments and urban ruins that New Vegas (mostly) lacks, which gives it a very different feel from vanilla New Vegas. In the one TTW run I did, I used a bunch of environment mods to turn DC into a nuclear winterized wasteland, gave the Super Mutants their NV stats, and enjoyed a very desperate, cold-feeling game, almost like an open-world Metro. It was a really neat experience, and I remember it fondly. What I remember less fondly, though, is Fallout 3's writing. Christ, whoever wrote most of the dialogue in that game should have their keyboards taken away permanently.
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Cease to Hope posted:as opposed to the movie we got 
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Lemniscate Blue posted:No one would ever take seriously a movie where Bizarro killed Superman. we were so close to slim goodbody's script idea where a crying superman snaps bizarro's neck AGAIN. SNyder is doing this on purpose.
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Post-apocalyptic DC was always strange to me. Like the brown wasteland made sense for other post-apoc games like Wasteland and the older Fallouts because they were set in the southwest that would naturally be brown desert, but surely DC would revert to an overgrown swampy wilderness instead? Also they should do a Fallout in the pacific northwest or along the rockies or something. It'd pretty much be Skyrim and Bethesda loves Skyrim.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:35
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I'm still holding out for Fallout Florida where you're speeding through irradiated swamp land in a nuclear powered airboat being chased by giant mutant alligators while looking for old NASA technology to piece together so you can escape to space.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:48
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That would be great, or trawling through Louisiana's bayous fighting off crawfishmen!
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To be fair, there was Fallout 3 DLC that was swamp based. It was just also garbage.
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Mr. Maltose posted:To be fair, there was Fallout 3 DLC that was swamp based. It was just also garbage. Point Lookout had NPCs named "smuggler". What the gently caress is so bad that in a setting with no governments you still have to smuggle it?
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ManMythLegend posted:I'm still holding out for Fallout Florida where you're speeding through irradiated swamp land in a nuclear powered airboat being chased by giant mutant alligators while looking for old NASA technology to piece together so you can escape to space. There was already a Wasteland-inspired post-apocalyptic Florida game. It was not very good.
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homullus posted:There was already a Wasteland-inspired post-apocalyptic Florida game. It was not very good. I could not tell you how or why, but this game has always bizarrely fascinated me.
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neongrey posted:I could not tell you how or why, but this game has always bizarrely fascinated me. Did you play it? I remember a lot of voodoo references and finding that I was maybe underleveled for the game's final stretch, since I could only kill all the ridiculous killer clowns by going full auto with some gun or ammo that was pretty rare . . . and otherwise not liking it nearly as much as I had Wasteland.
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8one6 posted:Point Lookout had NPCs named "smuggler". Point Lookout was closer to Boston, and it was implied that the authorities they were avoiding were the Institute.
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homullus posted:Did you play it? I remember a lot of voodoo references and finding that I was maybe underleveled for the game's final stretch, since I could only kill all the ridiculous killer clowns by going full auto with some gun or ammo that was pretty rare . . . and otherwise not liking it nearly as much as I had Wasteland. God no, which makes the fascination even more inexplicable. I read an LP a few years back.
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Dr. Quarex posted:You know, I love that these people have the technical competencies and willingness to do projects of such enormous scale, and I am 100% behind any amount of effort put into any non-sexy/furry/anime mods, but merging Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas strikes me as sort of like using the AD&D 2nd Edition -> D&D 3rd Edition character converter so you can play the same character simultaneously in two campaigns and keep it updated in both. Like, O.K., you can do that, but why is it that important to do both at once? It makes Fallout 3 use the NV mechanics and balance changes, so it's more like using Planescape to travel between the 2e Realms and the 3e Realms and the whole thing is using the 3e rules. Also Henry Eden is Krasus.
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neongrey posted:God no, which makes the fascination even more inexplicable. I read an LP a few years back. ...it is also unnecessarily and terribly hard, such that even as an (obvious) Wasteland expert like me had to lean heavily on things like rebooting if a fight went poorly (as it also used Wasteland's auto-saving-if-basically-anything-happened-to-your-party techniques). When a game sees you jumped by huge groups of people with automatic weapons while you were still mostly carrying machetes then you kind of get the picture early on that it is out to get you. Mormon Star Wars posted:It makes Fallout 3 use the NV mechanics and balance changes, so it's more like using Planescape to travel between the 2e Realms and the 3e Realms and the whole thing is using the 3e rules.
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ManMythLegend posted:I'm still holding out for Fallout Florida where you're speeding through irradiated swamp land in a nuclear powered airboat being chased by giant mutant alligators while looking for old NASA technology to piece together so you can escape to space.
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I was always hoping New Vegas would get more into Utah, being the dirty Salt Lake Cityite I am. It was alluded to a whole bunch, and I think the Followers of the Apocalypse are based there, but seeing it would be rad. I think Honest Hearts was based partially in Zion, but still. I want to see that post-nuclear temple.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Post-apocalyptic DC was always strange to me. Like the brown wasteland made sense for other post-apoc games like Wasteland and the older Fallouts because they were set in the southwest that would naturally be brown desert, but surely DC would revert to an overgrown swampy wilderness instead? Also they should do a Fallout in the pacific northwest or along the rockies or something. It'd pretty much be Skyrim and Bethesda loves Skyrim. Yeah, then look at Boston. North Atlantic coast, ocean's still right there no matter how much you nuke it, but here we are with 200+ year old dessicated skeletons posed everywhere and half-naked settlers in rags because Bethesda can't give up the 'everything is the mojave' desert aesthetic.
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inklesspen posted:I can't figure out which cuil level we're on right now. We're on about 0.472 cineDs right now
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Nuns with Guns posted:That would be great, or trawling through Louisiana's bayous fighting off crawfishmen! Mutant rougarou rise to prominence, replacing super mutants.
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