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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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DeimosRising posted:If only he could figure out what's wrong with the Wizards (their star player is a somewhat above average starter who can't shoot for poo poo) Look, Colin, if you're gonna do this at least play the hits and get mad about the dancing
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Jul 1, 2017 01:58
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Jul 1, 2017 02:02
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https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880955073274228740
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Jul 1, 2017 02:05
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Wall is like Rubio, but with swagger instead of being adorable, and he can finish at the rim (but is much worse at the midrange shots they both take too many of). Result is the same TS%, except Wall takes more than twice as many shots a game. We're talking about a point guard with high usage who in 7 years has led 1, just one, above average offensive team. He does dunk a lot for a pg and they're usually really sick dunks so that's a huge plus, but a team spending ~42% of the cap on Wall is never going anywhere. Imagine paying Ricky Rubio 30 million a year and this is the same thing MourningView posted:Look, Colin, if you're gonna do this at least play the hits and get mad about the dancing He seems pretty cool and it's good to dance, very freeing and indicative of a fun loving person IMO. However it is not worth basket points DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Jul 1, 2017 02:05
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DeimosRising posted:Mike Conley is better than John Wall. John Wall is not a great player despite his reputation Especially since he needs a specific team construction, he's not Lebron who can just bring his team to the conference finals with 3 defensive players and boobie gibson. The supermax is going to be absolutely crippling
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Jul 1, 2017 02:08
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haha remember when Igoudala used us to get a huge offer from the Warriors and then got passive-aggressive on social media when we found out and pulled our offer
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Jul 1, 2017 02:09
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i'm 100% cool with iggy going to sacramento
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Jul 1, 2017 02:09
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Yeah I'm a John Wall fan but there are like MAYBE 5 players I would give $42.5 million a year to, and John Wall just isn't one of them.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:09
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Trade Wiggins for George? Timberwolves would be crazy good. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/next-seasons-nba-heavyweights-warriors-cavs-spurs-rockets-timberwolves/ 538 projects them as a 53 win team with Teague, 58 with Lowry.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:09
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DeimosRising posted:Parody is the wrong word entirely. 66th is funny and includes farcical elements, but it's not mocking socialist thought or the philosophical and ideological interrogation of popular culture. Just the opposite "farcical" is a much better word, yeah. I seen red and lashed out, it wasn't the right thing to post. Also going to have to agree that Conley is a touch better than John Wall. Here's the final and decisive ranking of point guard current goodness, relevant to the discussion: 1. Westbrook (always relevant) ... 6. Conley ... 8. Wall ... 10. Rubio ... 12. Teague PG is incredibly deep right now, but do you really max a dude who's not even top 5 at his position?
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Jul 1, 2017 02:10
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Those other five guys aren't available Do you risk alienating wall forever ?
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Jul 1, 2017 02:10
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EvanTH posted:RJefferson loved playing with the Spurs so much he tried to rejoin them mid-game, received the loudest reaction in Tim Duncan's emotional history If you've not listened to the episode of Road Tripping with Tim Duncan if you really need to "Now that we are open and can talk about it, who do you think Pop likes more, Donald Trump or me?" RJ to Tim Duncan
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Jul 1, 2017 02:11
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Away all Goats posted:Yeah I'm a John Wall fan but there are like MAYBE 5 players I would give $42.5 million a year to, and John Wall just isn't one of them. salaries are going up, thats going to be the going rate on all stars pretty soon unless they're young enough to be on a cheaper max deal (or rookie deal lol)
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Jul 1, 2017 02:11
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If you're giving 35% of your cap to one player he needs to be at least a top ten player and ideally a top 5 or so. I get that it's an attempt to spread out stars, but it's going to create an NFL qb situation where every team has one player who has special status and is making triple everyone else's salary. I suppose that's the intention. Every player's salary should have to be approved by me
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Jul 1, 2017 02:14
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The Wall contract seems equally a business thing as a basketball thing. The guy is the face of their team and I guess they do pretty well (?) in DC. Plus re-signing always seems like a better idea than free agency outright. I dont even think he's that amazing but I get why a team that consistently make the playoffs would wanna keep their guy.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:15
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Conley and Wall seem roughly the same level to me. It is true that he doesn't shoot from the outside especially well but he is extremely good at getting to and finishing at the basket, draws fouls well, plays pretty good defense, and is consistently among the very best players in the league at generating open looks for his teammates. The biggest issue with Washington recently has been that they completely collapse as soon as the leaves the game, which was especially glaring this year in the playoffs. He's really good!
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Jul 1, 2017 02:17
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I think John Wall is an extremely good name for an NBA player, perhaps the best among actives.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:18
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BWV posted:The Wall contract seems equally a business thing as a basketball thing. The guy is the face of their team and I guess they do pretty well (?) in DC. Plus re-signing always seems like a better idea than free agency outright. I dont even think he's that amazing but I get why a team that consistently make the playoffs would wanna keep their guy. Yeah agreed
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Jul 1, 2017 02:18
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players getting 35% isnt a new thing, it just was only for players after 10 years before, so arguably it was restricted to some of the worst long term contracts because it was superstars who were likely headed toward decline. Superstars are just flat out worth 35% of a cap, and probably more. I guess you can argue what the cut off is of who is a "superstar" or worth that or whatever, but reality is no one is going to win a title without at least one of those guys and thats gonna be what they make unless they're young enough to not be there yet. I feel like people haven't really adjusted to the new higher cap so these numbers seem more astronomical than they are. Same deal on a lot players getting 10-20mil now, everyone insists they're "not worth" that much and obviously in some cases thats true, but really salaries have just gone up quite a bit the last few years and players just make more.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:19
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https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/880953172482707456
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Jul 1, 2017 02:20
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ill give john wall my single speed bike and a quarter zip of piff to come run point for the cavvies
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Jul 1, 2017 02:20
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Dejan Bimble posted:If you're giving 35% of your cap to one player he needs to be at least a top ten player and ideally a top 5 or so. I get that it's an attempt to spread out stars, but it's going to create an NFL qb situation where every team has one player who has special status and is making triple everyone else's salary. I suppose that's the intention. Every player's salary should have to be approved by me Yeah. You'd be lucky to find a metric that says Wall is even a top 20 player.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:21
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Jul 1, 2017 02:21
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I thought their new GM was supposed to be not stupid AggressivelyStupid posted:If you've not listened to the episode of Road Tripping with Tim Duncan if you really need to how dare u make me google something 
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Jul 1, 2017 02:22
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Jul 1, 2017 02:22
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Jul 1, 2017 02:23
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Or maybe we'll look stupid when he keeps shooting .440 from three up until he's 33, totally not an aberration or a blip
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Jul 1, 2017 02:24
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EvanTH posted:I thought their new GM was supposed to be not stupid I couldn't find a good link to that episode because podcasts are dumb, it's episode 18 though and it includes some quality pop quotes. The kind you cannot air on TV
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Jul 1, 2017 02:26
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Lmfao
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Jul 1, 2017 02:27
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Jul 1, 2017 02:27
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Dejan Bimble posted:Especially since he needs a specific team construction, he's not Lebron who can just bring his team to the conference finals with 3 defensive players and boobie gibson. The supermax is going to be absolutely crippling Lebron is the only human who can do that. You are right - if you have to pay John Wall over a third of your cap just to keep him, you are screwed. And that is what teams like Washington have to do. John Wall is great, btw.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:27
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Lmao good luck with that.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:27
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This has to be true because that definitely sounds like an Orlando contract.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:28
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EvanTH posted:Or maybe we'll look stupid when he keeps shooting .440 from three up until he's 33, totally not an aberration or a blip wait a second is Joe Ingles a top tier 3D guy now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowOLE-Zl3Q His stats say Yes Absolutely
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Jul 1, 2017 02:28
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so is the shams guy betraying woj or
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Jul 1, 2017 02:28
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DeimosRising posted:Mike Conley is better than John Wall. John Wall is not a great player despite his reputation My dude.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Especially since he needs a specific team construction, he's not Lebron who can just bring his team to the conference finals with 3 defensive players and boobie gibson. The supermax is going to be absolutely crippling Yeah. A decent (not great) defender whose rep is overblown because he has a perfect body for pg defense, at the least important defensive position, can't shoot, is not an elite pnr player, needs a constant feed of fast breaks. He requires a great rebounder who can defend and throw good and quick outlets, multiple elite shooters, a turnover churning defense, and a better guard defender so he can be put on the weaker guy and not tire out. And once he got all that (except maybe the guard defender) he finally had a good offense. Not great, just good. euphronius posted:Those other five guys aren't available It's a crappy situation to be in, as Sacramento and Indiana and various others are discovering. A bad supermax will cripple your team completely. Wall is not good enough to be a centerpiece for a contender, but now there will be no possibility of major improvement outside of a miracle draft. They're committed to 70 million for Wall and Beal in 2021. They are down for 99 million in 2019, with a cap likely to be increasing only very slowly, BEFORE the extension, and without resigning Otto Porter. Realistically they are locked into their current 49 win roster for ~135-140 million in 2019.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:28
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https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/880961199059476480 thats a lot of money for a jeff teague
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Jul 1, 2017 02:29
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why on earth is orlando interested in ingles.
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Ingles is one of the only 3d guys available so he won the lottery
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