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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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PT6A posted:How is it that "economy" manufacturers like Honda and Ford feel they have to squeeze every last red cent out of any good car they accidentally stumble into making, yet Mercedes Benz will happily treat any AMG as a normal-rear end car and negotiate on it the same as they would any other? If you have more demand for really good cars, that can justify charging a premium, just build more of them! There must be something I'm missing... It's got very little to do with the OEM.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:16
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Lol yes Ford and Mercedes have the same overall markets.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:22
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Ford and Honda et. al's profit margins are much lower on stuff like the RS and the Civic Type R. This is due to a lot of R&D needing to go onto those models, and the fact that they can't charge like $60k for them. That's why they dare not make more than they absolutely think they can sell. If they have excess stock and have to discount, that's a loss. For stuff like Merc AMG's, the base car is already there and they just put a tuned engine from higher up their engine lineup, some suspension & exhaust, and body kit pieces, and there's your AMG (that was very simplified but you get the point). It takes less for Merc to go from an e350 to an e55 AMG than it does for Ford to go from a FoST to a Focus RS.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:29
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There's also the fact that loving nobody bought a focus rs much less any focus.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:12
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Pryor on Fire posted:There's also the fact that loving nobody bought a focus rs much less any focus. I bought a Focus RS.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:16
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KillHour posted:I bought a Focus RS. Same.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:40
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Autotrader shows 1676 new Focus RS' available in the US. Some dealers still have them listed at $60k and up. I think there might be some deals to be had on these at the start of 2018 if there's some left over.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:57
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Test drove both the DSG and manual GTI today. Didn't like the feel of the clutch at all (been spoiled by my last two Hondas), so I went with the white SE w/ DSG I looked at on the lot last Sunday. Feels very weird to drive a car that has low-end power after a 17 year stint in the church of VTEC where the party doesn't start til 5600RPM. The Fender stereo is very nice (not to mention loud as gently caress). Overall the car feels much more solid than my Si. I think I'm gonna be quite happy with it.
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Jul 1, 2017 01:27
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i'm gonna try the sport with dsg tomorrow morning and make a decision, begone bmws!
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Jul 1, 2017 02:17
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Protip: You can rent a VAGCOM cable for $20-30 on Ebay. Definitely worth it to get some coding done - roll up/down the windows from the fob, fogs on with high beams, passenger mirror dip in reverse, etc
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Jul 1, 2017 02:30
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Protip: The clutch feels a lot better with the clutch delay valve and clutch return spring removed. It still doesn't feel right, but it's a massive improvement.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:40
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Kill all delay valves and most clutch springs
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Jul 1, 2017 03:32
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I really want a 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 but there are 100 GTIs and Cooper S' for every one MS3 in my price range.
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Jul 1, 2017 04:43
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The MS3 is such a loving hoot to drive. Also I got my Fiesta back last Friday. Accident happened on 5/12 car returned on 6/23 after much back and forth with the insurance. I went to a tiny mom and pop shop and they loving killed it. Damages were just shy of 8k. Anyone have any experience getting a diminished value check? Having nearly half the kbb value in damage has to warrant something.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:27
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:I really want a 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 but there are 100 GTIs and Cooper S' for every one MS3 in my price range. G1 MS3's are such good looking hatches. Especially in white. Maybe join the MS Owners FB group? People tend to list cars for sale quite frequently.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:37
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WescottF1 posted:Test drove both the DSG and manual GTI today. Didn't like the feel of the clutch at all (been spoiled by my last two Hondas), so I went with the white SE w/ DSG I looked at on the lot last Sunday. Congrats! You will love the car.
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Jul 1, 2017 08:31
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:I really want a 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 but there are 100 GTIs and Cooper S' for every one MS3 in my price range. I've really been missing my 08 lately. Such an awesome car and I'll never find one as clean again. They're all hosed with by now. 
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Jul 1, 2017 14:18
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BlackMK4 posted:Protip: The clutch feels a lot better with the clutch delay valve and clutch return spring removed. It still doesn't feel right, but it's a massive improvement. I've taken off the spring but I'm waffling on punching out the OEM valve restrictor or getting the ECS model. Did you have to top up the reservoir after doing it?
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Jul 1, 2017 14:53
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I've taken off the spring but I'm waffling on punching out the OEM valve restrictor or getting the ECS model. Did you have to top up the reservoir after doing it? Yeah. Might want to grab a speedbleeder at the same time for it.
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Jul 1, 2017 15:36
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Oh man the DSG is so good think I'm gonna do it
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Jul 1, 2017 19:02
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BraveUlysses posted:Oh man the DSG is so good think I'm gonna do it  If you're not dedicated to a manual, it really is a simple pleasure.
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Jul 1, 2017 19:52
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BraveUlysses posted:Oh man the DSG is so good think I'm gonna do it I seen dat facebook post, nice.
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Jul 1, 2017 21:33
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Has VW added an indicator when launch control is disabled on the DSG GTIs yet? When my friend had his and we took it to the drag strip we couldn't figure out why we were so bad at getting it to launch properly until years later when I heard some auto journalist pointing out that it wouldn't engage if it wasn't perfectly happy, but it won't tell you that either.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:44
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opengl128 posted:I've really been missing my 08 lately. Such an awesome car and I'll never find one as clean again. They're all hosed with by now. Same  It'd only done like 60k km too Replaced it with a boring, sensible 2016 model and I often regret it 
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Jul 2, 2017 00:00
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dissss posted:Same Yep, the best-looking generation of those cars -- if it was standing still you only knew it was a Mazdaspeed from the outside by the hood creases for intercooler airflow and the higher-but-not-obnoxiously-high wing. No mistaking it for a regular one once it was running, though. Ours was also a Cosmic Blue Mica, and it looked great. Loved it.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:06
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I don't miss mine but I do miss what it was. If I had the room I'd grab some sort of hot or warm hatch again. Just maybe one not nearly as expensive as the MS3 to run.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:45
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Mine was admittedly low mileage but it didn't cost me anything out of the ordinary to run - fuel economy was almost the same as my partners normal n/a 2l and nothing went wrong.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:55
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Ours ended up with a persistent rear suspension knock, but that was after the divorce and no longer was my car to worry about. She finally traded it in with over 120,000 miles on it, maybe a year and a half ago, in sorta rough physical condition from being used for archaeological fieldwork, but still with a lot of miles left on it. I hope its new owner enjoys it.
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Jul 2, 2017 02:02
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I did it.
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Jul 2, 2017 02:49
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dissss posted:Mine was admittedly low mileage but it didn't cost me anything out of the ordinary to run - fuel economy was almost the same as my partners normal n/a 2l and nothing went wrong. Same, but yeah sold mine with under 50k on it. I did always have smoking turbo and VVT issues in the back of my mind.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:07
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angryhampster posted:I did it. Good job, but why are you posting on the internet instead of driving it?
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Jul 2, 2017 04:14
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angryhampster posted:I did it.  Welcome to the turbo Ford hatch crew.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:41
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White STs best ST. Nice car.
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Jul 2, 2017 05:39
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opengl128 posted:Same, but yeah sold mine with under 50k on it. I did always have smoking turbo and VVT issues in the back of my mind. So one with 150k+ on it is a bad idea?
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Jul 2, 2017 08:06
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KillHour posted:Good job, but why are you posting on the internet instead of driving it? Had to spend some time at home after I got the car to make amends with the wife. LOL Neither of us were expecting me to get a brand new car yesterday. I was the only one who was actually excited about it.
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Jul 2, 2017 12:36
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Guy at work got his Type R. Initial thoughts are it definitely looks too busy.
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Jul 2, 2017 12:47
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:So one with 150k+ on it is a bad idea? It's not like those are unfixable things, but if I was going to buy an MS3 with that kind of mileage, I'd probably plan on budgeting for a turbo and timing. And yes, I fully lost the reliability lottery on mine. Throttle body, wheel bearing that wouldn't let go of a stub axle, shifter cables and transmission seal right before a road trip, upper engine mount... Only the last one was something I could even replace with an upgrade. It had developed an intermittent miss at high load and the air conditioning worked like poo poo when I traded it in.
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Jul 2, 2017 12:52
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IOwnCalculus posted:It's not like those are unfixable things, but if I was going to buy an MS3 with that kind of mileage, I'd probably plan on budgeting for a turbo and timing. Jesus, that sucks. Ours was hit pretty badly in an accident, and afterward had a transient problem afterward where it would cut power dramatically and/or stall -- a belt was slowly cutting through a misrouted post-repair hose. When we took that elsewhere (on the insurance company's dime, of course) it turned out the place the insurance company had chosen for the repairs also had hacked together a bastard wiring harness, so the replacement was on backorder for a month. Still, other than that mystery knock in the rear, it was really reliable for us and really fun. Not too shabby in the snow, either, with Blizzaks on it.
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Jul 2, 2017 15:57
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fknlo posted:Guy at work got his Type R. Initial thoughts are it definitely looks too busy. really? imo it seems less busy than the gti i did a white car thing yesterday  only gripe so far is that i either scuffed one of the wheels a little bit or didnt notice it was scuffed before i left the lot 
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Jul 2, 2017 16:28
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BraveUlysses posted:really? imo it seems less busy than the gti You're talking about the Type R right? It has like 6 spoilers and 20 fake air vents. How can the GTI even come close to being that over-styled?
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