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Nope, sorry, I'm bad at designing stuff, I just come here to read nweis words and have a fun time.
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Siegkrow posted:Nope, sorry, I'm bad at designing stuff, I just come here to read nweis words and have a fun time. True, but you can vote!
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Jun 28, 2017 03:04
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Scout frigate: Partisan class. If we're using our Scout Frigates to support our main line of battle, something is very wrong. As long as it's able to beat the crap out of pirates and not need to return to resupply too often, it'll do fine. Fleet escort frigate: Hoplite class. Saving on the Scouts means we can afford some more expensive escorts. Hoplite is real nice for its point defense, IMO. Use them to screen bigger ships! Bombardment cruiser: Thunderbolt class but only if we can specifically refer to it as the A-10 Thunderbolt II. I'm a big nerd. Go Ugly Early. Battleship: Halberd class If we can outfit the rest of the fleet with sufficient stacks of Point Defense, then the massive firepower that those six guns can provide is well worth making them less effective at shooting down enemy munitions. Supplemental fleet role: Cato class superheavy battleship. We have money, let's build the beastliest bastard we can build.
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Jun 28, 2017 04:21
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Scout frigate: Nightingale class Fleet escort frigate: no preference Bombardment cruiser: Taffy class Battleship: Scipio class First superheavy slot: n/a Supplemental fleet role: Impi class assault frigate, since it's designed to work with the Taffy. I'm wary of superheavy battleships at this time- they're monstrously expensive and we risk limiting our strategic flexibility.
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nweismuller posted:Feel free to submit Human or Bulrathi names for the class. Human names, indicate whether they are real historical figures or figures from the future; if they're from the future, give me a capsule summary of their historical role. Bulrathi names, give me a capsule summary of their historical role. For the Bulrathi, I'd like to suggest Ordeg, Daughter of Krodog. She was originally a minor noble who nevertheless campaigned for expanding the rights of serfs, first in a series of spirited speeches to fellow nobles, then through covertly arming and training serfs, and finally through an overt rebellion. Sanctioned Imperial Bulrathi histories presented her as a power-hungry terrorist who tried to use discontent peasants as an overwhelming army, as her family's holdings lacked the resources to outfit a proper noble military. After the Republic's conquest, propaganda efforts have tried to portray her as a would-be liberator of Bulrathi serfs, which does have some basis in fact as some of her laws and reforms became the basis of the legal systems future Bulrathi freemen would follow. In the end though, most reputable historians and archaeologists think that the truth was somewhere in the middle- while she was certainly primarily motivated by a desire for power (as many verified documents from the period can attest to), there are also many signs that she certainly did care for the serfs under her care. She allowed men and women to choose their own spouses, as opposed to the 'directed breeding' and other primitive eugenics movements that was in vogue among the nobility at the time, she let serfs who served in at least three battles be judged as proper soldiers, and her policy of promotion based on merit instead of blood earned her both a great many enemies (including the spurned nephew who eventually assassinated her) and also victories that threatened to topple the throne itself. Today, she is the subject of several books, and is the star of an ongoing miniseries that has reached surprising popularity even in pro-Imperial parts of the Republic. The Republic Navy would do well to consider her as a symbol of Human-Bulrathi unity, and name one of our more advanced ships after her. If Humans are to be members of her crew, they should be in the minority, and preferably in semi-nonessential roles (e.g. running the ship's cafeteria and such).
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CommissarMega posted:For the Bulrathi, I'd like to suggest Ordeg, Daughter of Krodog. She was originally a minor noble who nevertheless campaigned for expanding the rights of serfs, first in a series of spirited speeches to fellow nobles, then through covertly arming and training serfs, and finally through an overt rebellion. Sanctioned Imperial Bulrathi histories presented her as a power-hungry terrorist who tried to use discontent peasants as an overwhelming army, as her family's holdings lacked the resources to outfit a proper noble military. After the Republic's conquest, propaganda efforts have tried to portray her as a would-be liberator of Bulrathi serfs, which does have some basis in fact as some of her laws and reforms became the basis of the legal systems future Bulrathi freemen would follow. I like this history very much. Even if ship commissions don't get us a chance to implement an Ordeg in the fleet soon, consider this canonical. E: Even if you submitted designs, I need you to vote on what you want, if you want to be counted in the vote. nweismuller fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Uh, sure, Taffy and Impi. I guess I'll also go with Nightingale, Hoplite, and Herakles I probably should have designed a dedicated PD boat, but c'est la vie.
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Jun 28, 2017 10:05
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Scout: Partisan (cheap, useless as a line combatant, but not as useless as the scrapheaps the pirates fly) Escort: Hoplite (actually does what escorts are supposed to do, rather than being a subpar bombardment cruiser) Bombardment cruiser: Thunderbolt II (I didn't notice that the Taffy had unguided torpedoes, somehow) Battleship: Halberd (MORE GUNS, also the structural analyser takes up a lot of space which I reckon it would be more effective to fill with MORE GUNS) Supplemental: Herakles (less guns but takes hits for everything else and has a more distinct naming scheme than the Flamberges)
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Jun 28, 2017 12:42
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Scout: Nightingale Escort: Hoplite Bombardment Cruiser: Thunderbolt II Battleship: Halberd Supplemental: Predator
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Jun 28, 2017 13:43
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Friend Commuter posted:Bombardment cruiser: Thunderbolt II (I didn't notice that the Taffy had unguided torpedoes, somehow) Yeah, uh, it's sort of a really, really, really terrible design, optimised neither for being any good against mobile ships nor for just straight-up bombarding fixed fortifications.
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Jun 28, 2017 18:57
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Stormgear posted:Scout frigate: Partisan class. If we're using our Scout Frigates to support our main line of battle, something is very wrong. As long as it's able to beat the crap out of pirates and not need to return to resupply too often, it'll do fine. I'm terrible at any tactics beyond "form a doomblob and charge forward" so I'm voting what he says, it seems plausible.
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Scout frigate: Nightingale, because I'd rather have an autofiring gun than repair drones. Fleet escort: Hoplite, since anything big enough that you'd want torpedoes would want bigger or dedicated ships. Bombardment cruiser: Thunderbolt because, well, as stated: torpedoes that don't home are basically useless. These can at least hit big slow ships. Plus rear mounted torpedoes are not worth the trouble. Battleship: Halberd because it has more guns and it can bring them all to bear at once.  Supplemental: Cato because of course I'm going to vote for my own design.
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Given that I don't particularly want to invalidate my dad's vote for the supplemental design slot because he cast two votes for it, and it was obvious his vote would go for the Impi, I find myself in need of a tiebreaker vote for the Impi (which is not getting its companion Taffy class, based on the vote) and the Cato. Otherwise, we are going with the Nightingale scout frigate, Hoplite escort frigate, Thunderbolt bombardment cruiser, and Halberd battleship.
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Jun 29, 2017 02:33
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Awww man. No Republic carrier.
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Jun 29, 2017 03:10
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I thought the Republic was in by GM fiat before the voting even began?
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Jun 29, 2017 03:13
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Crazycryodude posted:I thought the Republic was in by GM fiat before the voting even began? Not so much by 'fiat' as by 'everybody who responded before I opened voting seemed to love the carrier idea, so I just went with it'. But yeah. We get six design slots at the moment, and I ran a vote on five.
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Jun 29, 2017 03:21
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HELL YEAH FIGHTERS
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Jun 29, 2017 03:24
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I already voted, but a carrrier does sound pretty sweet. Probably makes more sense to go with that if the Impi's companion class is out. Like having half of a pair of scissors.
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All right, the Cato it is. I'll play through things now, but may be delayed in writing up update until next week.
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Well, I still have four years left to go on the playthrough, but I must say- our new designs have really shown their worth. Udun is back firmly under the Free Republic's control, although Darlok Administration bombardment of the world eventually killed an estimated two billion Darloks and badly devastated local agricultural operations before Space Fleet could relieve the planet. The rest of the system has been forced out of Darlok Administration control, between Meklar Combine assault forces, Free Republic assault forces, and a massive Meklar orbital bombardment of one of the worlds in the system. E: Yes, this means that the Darlok death toll for this war has already easily exceeded the total death toll of the Second Bulrathi-Human War. nweismuller fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 06:04
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Good, Good, Oh dear, Oh dear indeed.
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Sorry, wait, they bombarded their own populations?
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Jul 1, 2017 08:27
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Artificer posted:Sorry, wait, they bombarded their own populations? Those darloks were under human control, so obviously they must be traitors. 
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Jul 1, 2017 09:06
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It became necessary to destroy the planet to save it
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Jul 1, 2017 12:00
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Do we need any other reason to reduce the Darlok Administration to rubble? They killed 2 billion of their own people! Not to  this but that's like 2 million Hitlers.
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Jul 1, 2017 15:55
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"Not even Hitler gassed his own people." 
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Speaking of large-scale orbital bombardment, we have confirmed usage of it by the Darlok Administration and, some time after the bombardment of Udun started, by the Meklar Combine against the Darlok Administration. We also have unconfirmed rumors of large-scale bombardment used by the Sacred Kingdom of the Alkari, but, once again, this is unconfirmed. What can be confirmed is the loss of a FPQ border system.
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On the previous note, I humbly request knowledge about the greatest monsters of every civilization we've met and how they scale on the hitler-o-meter
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Lovely, we're part of a war where all sides seem quite willing to use indiscriminate planetary bombardment of non-military civilian installations as par for course. What in general is our military position on orbital bombardments? Purely blockade of planets once planetary defenses have been neutralized pending full planetary assault and orbital support? Or limited strikes?
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wedgekree posted:Lovely, we're part of a war where all sides seem quite willing to use indiscriminate planetary bombardment of non-military civilian installations as par for course. What in general is our military position on orbital bombardments? Purely blockade of planets once planetary defenses have been neutralized pending full planetary assault and orbital support? Or limited strikes? Our policy on orbital bombardment has been to avoid it, unless it is absolutely necessary to achieve military goals- we may perhaps assume that there are limited precision strikes by orbiting task forces as a part of troops forcing landing, but nothing rising to 'bombardment' in game terms. 'Mass murder of civilian populations' is something that the Free Republic remains opposed to on an almost instinctual level- the Great Blight and, later, the Imperial raids on Earth did well to instill a horror of these sorts of attacks.
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GOt it, so for RP purposes we presume that limited orbital support is given to landing troops or engaged in combat against surface military installations, but otherwise the 'bombard' option is never taken while we're blockading. Thanks nweis!
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wedgekree posted:GOt it, so for RP purposes we presume that limited orbital support is given to landing troops or engaged in combat against surface military installations, but otherwise the 'bombard' option is never taken while we're blockading. Thanks nweis! Not quite never. Like Nweis said, it is a last resort up achieve military victory. Like, say, Hiroshima.
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Siegkrow posted:Not quite never. Like Nweis said, it is a last resort up achieve military victory. Well, I was specifically thinking of the cases of 'pirates' and 'late-game planetary shields', both of which actually require bombardment to deal with- the best planetary shields actually block invasion until they're bombed down.
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Following the extended orbital bombardment on Udun and the deaths of over two billion of its inhabitants once the planetary shields finally failed, the inhabitants of the planet almost universally renounced any remaining support for the Darlok Administration, given that it was obvious that the Darlok Administration would be willing to continue bombardment until the entire planet was purged of life. This has not, however, defused the local resistance movements, which still have little desire to submit to the Free Republic. The Humans and Bulrathi trapped on the planet have had repeated illustrations of why full environment suits are popular amongst many Darloks, with repeated attacks on occupation garrisons pulled off by infiltrators slipping cannisters of chlorine gas or other toxins into ventilation systems. A series of assassinations has rocked the leadership ranks of the various resistance movements, as well, as new leaders have attempted to consolidate their positions. Perhaps the strongest resistance group remaining is the Committee for the Safety and Security of Udun, a group which has issued statements indicating its desire to establish an independent administrative oligarchy over Udun. The membership of the Committee proper remains mysterious, as the organisation has developed a highly secure cell structure. Many of the rank and file fighters working for the Committee have been killed or captured, however. How the Committee hopes to prevent orbital attack by the Meklar Combine and Darlok Administration, even if it manages to throw off the occupation, is unclear.
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Lovely, sounds like the planet isn't going to be much use as more than an emergency forward base for the next several years in the system at least until the population can be properly integrated. I take it that with the general opening of supply lines there's no issues at least with starvation and the planet at least has sufficient industrial cetners left to be capable of a modicum of production to support the forward fleet operations for the moment and isn't at risk of immediate Darlok counterattack?
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wedgekree posted:Lovely, sounds like the planet isn't going to be much use as more than an emergency forward base for the next several years in the system at least until the population can be properly integrated. I take it that with the general opening of supply lines there's no issues at least with starvation and the planet at least has sufficient industrial cetners left to be capable of a modicum of production to support the forward fleet operations for the moment and isn't at risk of immediate Darlok counterattack? We crushed the Darlok fleet in orbit, which I suspect was the majority of their fleet assets. And yes, despite their agricultural infrastructure getting hammered, they are still an Earthlike world, which means that growing crops locally is fairly easy, so famine is no immediate danger.
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Nice. So with the (general) presumed destrction of the majority of the Darlok fleet assets and the Meklar (and I believe the Mrrshan) operating i the theatre, is the Republi Space Force wantingto press on with offensive operations now that rienforcemetns can be brought up and local space is generally secure in the area, or wanting to wait and hold for further operational assets tocome online?
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wedgekree posted:Nice. So with the (general) presumed destrction of the majority of the Darlok fleet assets and the Meklar (and I believe the Mrrshan) operating i the theatre, is the Republi Space Force wantingto press on with offensive operations now that rienforcemetns can be brought up and local space is generally secure in the area, or wanting to wait and hold for further operational assets tocome online? The Mrrshan have no way to operate in Darlok space. The Space Fleet task force has been holding to protect our worlds taken until local defenses are online and new invasion troops can be mustered- although frankly we could likely leave the remainder of the Darlok Administration to the Meklar Combine. Which at least would spare Human and Bulrathi casualties, although I'm not sure it would do the Darloks any favors.
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If our fleet is still intact, and we have crushed the majority of their fleet assets, as nweismuller believes, we should press the advantage while we can.
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Artificer posted:If our fleet is still intact, and we have crushed the majority of their fleet assets, as nweismuller believes, we should press the advantage while we can. We're in no position to do so at the moment. Doing so would require mustering and deploying more troops, which may take a while.
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