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sexpig by night posted:Yea I loved how massive sweeping and lasting reform was basically the Camarilla's nuclear option. It totally fits because obviously they benefit from a corrupt city but just the image of some elder vampire paying for ads about how one of his proxies has been taking money from one of his other proxies to help yet another of his proxies profit under the table is pretty hilarious. Do any of the books get into that sort of play? Most of the ones I see involve playing a sort of ambitious gopher for vampires who do that. The other playstyles are things like Justicar or other vampire hunter.
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nofather posted:Do any of the books get into that sort of play? Most of the ones I see involve playing a sort of ambitious gopher for vampires who do that. The other playstyles are things like Justicar or other vampire hunter. The "reform as scorched earth policy" is from Midnight Siege. Which also goes to great pain to point out that rolling street battles are not a thing the Sabbat really wants either - they just do it because the Tower will then devote resources to covering things up. It also has a rather on the nose bit where a non-rear end in a top hat Ventrue neonate ran a statistical model on the preferred Embrace targets of the Sabbat and found that they pick out gang members who just happened to be minorities in poverty-prone areas. His big push to the local elders was "hey, maybe if we spent, like, 5% of our vast resources on social safety nets for all the Sabbat would loose these targets!" The Elders just went "got it minorities equal Sabbat time to fund white nationalists". And that's why the World of Darkness is a lovely place.
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Midnight Siege is really good at making it clear how vast the gulf between elders and normal vampires is, either in terms of 'they think decades ahead of things because that's a tiny amount of time to them' or 'they are old sociopaths who don't really understand basic humanity'. So yea, you go from 'I'll clean the city out and burn my own corrupt web if it means the enemy can't use them either when we fall' to 'the enemy preys on the poor and desperate and that tends to be minorities in this area? So...neo-nazis to scare the minorities off? That's the plan? Sounds good!' It played well to the general theme of 'vampire politics never actually take humans into account as anything but resources'. I also liked it clarifying that yea the shovelheads who just get hard super-speeding their way around town cutting throats may like it but actual Sabbat leaders don't really want a huge street fight as anything but a distraction, they're not dumb enough to think an elder prince will just go 'oh, poo poo, you guys shot a bunch of people and set some buildings on fire? I'm OUT then, bye!' The Sabbat are my most and least favorite part of old Vampire, really. The dual nature between 'just kinda The Joker' and this genuinely creepy menacing religious anarchy blend is really cool to explore, but boy does White Wolf love focusing on just 'you guys like The Joker??? What if he was a vampire!"
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Revised Vampire was really good, which is why it's sad they want to go back to before it.
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So very much of what's good in the World of Darkness is down to later writers salvaging what they could from earlier, worse work. It's like a house with modern appointments and furniture but it still feels weird because for some reason the owner demanded the original floorplan be kept intact during the renovation.
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citybeatnik posted:The "reform as scorched earth policy" is from Midnight Siege. Which also goes to great pain to point out that rolling street battles are not a thing the Sabbat really wants either - they just do it because the Tower will then devote resources to covering things up. Too bad the real world doesn't have that excuse.
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Hello Sailor posted:It seems like the nuWoD staff decided to use Kill Puppies for Satan as inspiration, but without realizing it was meant to be a parody of oWoD (and played as a one-shot). I liked some of the little things from kpfs, like the rolling "and how do you know Gerald Stebbins?" introductions or the idea that a sense of humour is a way of dealing with being wrong, stupid, and weak, so God hasn't got one.
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Desiden posted:I, for one, am looking forward to finally getting a sequel to Eternal Hearts after all these years. I got that book as part of that big Humble Bundle bundled book sale they did awhile back and holy gently caress it is loving awful. To anyone that hasn't read it; it reads like many of the characters of the OWoD were recast for a rape and snuff filled porno. And it doesn't even make much sense within the context of the narrative they try to create. One minute there's (badly written, and weirdly hookerish) political drama or action and then suddenly someone's taking it up the rear end. If it wasn't liable to get someone banned i'd suggest someone do a let's read given how stunningly hosed up and hilariously stupid it is. Archonex fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Archonex posted:If it wasn't liable to get someone banned i'd suggest someone do a let's read given how stunningly hosed up and hilariously stupid it is. e: for real though wow it's bad.
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Archonex posted:I got that book as part of that big Humble Bundle bundled book sale they did awhile back and holy gently caress it is loving awful. Was that the one that revealed that Vykos trolls around chats trying to cyber with folks?
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citybeatnik posted:Was that the one that revealed that Vykos trolls around chats trying to cyber with folks? I forget, but it does have a Tzimisce in it with all the horror that implies.
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citybeatnik posted:Was that the one that revealed that Vykos trolls around chats trying to cyber with folks?
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sexpig by night posted:The Sabbat are my most and least favorite part of old Vampire, really. The dual nature between 'just kinda The Joker' and this genuinely creepy menacing religious anarchy blend is really cool to explore, but boy does White Wolf love focusing on just 'you guys like The Joker??? What if he was a vampire!" The Sabbat is great because what hints we do get about the behavior of the Antis is that.....they've largely hosed off from any wider concerns. Whatever they are doing is fairly personal and esoteric, there is no massive plan to control humanity or even Kindred. The Sabbat are throwing some "No, gently caress YOU DAD!" revolution against a bunch of beings that honestly don't even care about their existence in the first place. The Jyhad is just a bunch of old monsters caught in a circle jerk because they can't think of anything more interesting to do with eternity, all because they spent thousands of years destroying everything dynamic or interesting about themselves to be a better predator. The Thin-Blood are just the icing on that beautiful nihilistic sundae, a final generation that can eat chocolate and have babies and is pretty much never going to buy into claims of vampiric superiority and the need to fight a war against beings nobody can even conclusively prove still exist. And, indeed, make pretty weak and pathetic vampires to begin with. Also hard to sell the claims that you are perfect monsters feeding on the useless sheep of humanity when the guy you are talking to is barely more powerful than a human to begin with. I'm sure 5th edition will do something insanely violent and racist to kick up the Jyhad a bit with the Sabbat, but I love the idea that if the actual Apocalypse didn't happen the Sabbat would have just....flamed out and died off due to having nowhere to meaningfully direct their rage.
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Rand Brittain posted:Someone already did; it's in FATAL & Friends. I'm not seeing it on inklesspen's site?
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Reflections85 posted:I'm not seeing it on inklesspen's site? Check the thread. 
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Nessus posted:Inklesspen does those updates manually and is well behind. I thought it was all caught up as of a week or so ago.
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inklesspen didn't archive it as far as I understand for two main reasons: the first is that it's fiction and not an RPG, and the second is that it crossed a line she didn't feel comfortable with for the site. You can find the posts that covered it in the thread starting here.
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I do remember back in the day on either RPG.net or the WW forums some of the WW team trying to defend it. It was hard to tell which was funnier: the ones who clearly hated it but felt obligated to somehow stand up to the mockery, or the ones who actually did think prose about loving a headless corpse was truly a mature, dark, statement on the human condition.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:inklesspen didn't archive it as far as I understand for two main reasons: the first is that it's fiction and not an RPG, and the second is that it crossed a line she didn't feel comfortable with for the site. why do i subject myself to reading these things when they're linked?
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Mulva posted:The Sabbat is great because what hints we do get about the behavior of the Antis is that.....they've largely hosed off from any wider concerns. Whatever they are doing is fairly personal and esoteric, there is no massive plan to control humanity or even Kindred. The Sabbat are throwing some "No, gently caress YOU DAD!" revolution against a bunch of beings that honestly don't even care about their existence in the first place. The Jyhad is just a bunch of old monsters caught in a circle jerk because they can't think of anything more interesting to do with eternity, all because they spent thousands of years destroying everything dynamic or interesting about themselves to be a better predator. The Thin-Blood are just the icing on that beautiful nihilistic sundae, a final generation that can eat chocolate and have babies and is pretty much never going to buy into claims of vampiric superiority and the need to fight a war against beings nobody can even conclusively prove still exist. And, indeed, make pretty weak and pathetic vampires to begin with. Also hard to sell the claims that you are perfect monsters feeding on the useless sheep of humanity when the guy you are talking to is barely more powerful than a human to begin with. Yea that's easily my favorite bit too. At the end of the day all the creepy religious politics and keeping the savage youth in line and all is...for pretty much nothing. They're rebelling against beings so alien and ancient that they just don't give a poo poo about them personally. It's centuries of shouting "gently caress YOU WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" at a dude who's not even looking over.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:inklesspen didn't archive it as far as I understand for two main reasons: the first is that it's fiction and not an RPG, and the second is that it crossed a line she didn't feel comfortable with for the site. I'm not gonna read it so I'm just curious--did it cross some kind of 'giving out authorial information' line or was it just super-hateful or? I mean we had reviews of Black Tokyo and Cthulhutech and FATAL itself (even if that got abandoned) so I guess it's hard for me to see many content lines left to object to. The 'we're not Let's Read from the Book Barn here' is an entirely different thing that I get.
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occamsnailfile posted:I'm not gonna read it so I'm just curious--did it cross some kind of 'giving out authorial information' line or was it just super-hateful or? I mean we had reviews of Black Tokyo and Cthulhutech and FATAL itself (even if that got abandoned) so I guess it's hard for me to see many content lines left to object to. The 'we're not Let's Read from the Book Barn here' is an entirely different thing that I get. I wasn't given or saw a specific reason why it wasn't included. (Though to be fair, I don't have plat. So that would be hard to do.) People doing tie-in books for RPGs wasn't a problem before. People have done it a couple of times and one of the writeups is on inklesspen's site. I'm guessing even with my attempts to not include every little minute detail and the warning at the top of the writeup, it was just too gross and NWS for them to feel comfortable posting. Edit: As for your two guesses: there's no personal info on the author (other than pointing out she's done other works and my thoughts on the prose itself) and, outside of the stuff the book itself says, I wasn't writing it to be hateful to anyone in particular. Adnachiel fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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after reading through the thing myself, i think it's definitely to do with the content of the work being reviewed rather than the review itself. it was a good review of a horrible, horrible book
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Xinder posted:after reading through the thing myself, i think it's definitely to do with the content of the work being reviewed rather than the review itself. it was a good review of a horrible, horrible book yeah as bad as those other three examples were i don't remember any of them being quite so weirdly and specifically obsessed with the corrective rape of lesbians (spoilered for discretion more than anything else). the book really was Just That Bad
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So I haven't looked in to anything the company's done in more than a year probably since it's so depressing they want to turn the clock back to the 90s.... is that still happening? Is it even worse now than it was? Are they just stalling out? I heard there's a child rapist PC in one of the tutorial quick plays? Classy move.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:So I haven't looked in to anything the company's done in more than a year probably since it's so depressing they want to turn the clock back to the 90s.... is that still happening? Is it even worse now than it was? Are they just stalling out? I heard there's a child rapist PC in one of the tutorial quick plays? Classy move. Paradox's oWoD reboot is proceeding apace as you've heard but Onyx Path is still doing their thing with the nWoD/Chronicles of Darkness line, with Requiem and Awakening and so on still trucking.
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Mors Rattus posted:Dark Eras 2 Kickstarter goes live on Thursday at noon EST. Any idea what eras are in it?
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They sent out an email to people who backed the first one. Dark Eras 2 is going to start out with six eras with two game lines apiece, plus room for another six via stretch goals. Anything beyond that will go into a companion book.
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MRH put up a Kickstarter for a not world of darkness game set during the American revolution using his playing card character sheet system.
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Kurieg posted:MRH put up a Kickstarter for a not world of darkness game set during the American revolution using his playing card character sheet system. Just  at this point.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Dark Eras 2 is going to start out with six eras with two game lines apiece, plus room for another six via stretch goals. This still feels weird to me due to creating an awkward mixture between 1e and 2e rules.
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Kurieg posted:MRH put up a Kickstarter for a not world of darkness game set during the American revolution using his playing card character sheet system. It seems a lot more like Assassin's Creed 3 if it was more jingoistic. (Also, Nathan Tucker is the writer, Mark Rein-dot-Hagen seems to be just there to oversee it to tell them to tighten up the rolls on chapter 3.)
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Alien Rope Burn posted:tighten up the rolls on chapter 3 Stealing this.
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Going through family junk I found a weird old book about how we're all low vibrational star ships and magical beings with a secret history or some poo poo, it's got some nice pictures/diagrams and seems kind of mage-y, I thought one of you lot might dig it. Quick flick through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3QsQIpxO_o UK peeps only give me an address to send it to at cyborgbellspam @gmail.com and I'll post it off. I'll pay for the postage and that cause I always like stuff like this to go to a good home.
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