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Lassitude posted:I wonder what the odds are this "voter fraud panel" finds anything other than many millions of votes for Hillary that were illegitimate, no matter how many states comply.
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QuoProQuid posted:they do some interesting journalism. they did some interesting reporting on euromaidan and life in the so-called donetsk people's republic a few years back. Ostrovsky's work was great and brave (he's since left), but Vice isn't diligent enough about reviewing a lot of their content. They've propagated a bunch actual FAKE NEWS. They've aped Sputnik headlines. Their journalistic standards are inconsistent. It's not a serious news organization despite occasionally producing good content.
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To be real for a moment, Kobach's voter fraud panel does not have the resources to pursue actual cases of voter fraud. Given his history in Kansas and the language of the request, I expect that the report will focus on those who are registered in two states and try to conflate double registration with illegal voting in multiple states. It will probably also try to make "soft matches" between people with similar names and voting records across state lines, implying that some of these cases might be instances of voting fraud. The panel itself might hear testimony from local and state election officials claiming anecdotal instances of voting fraud or otherwise suspicious behavior. My concern with 2018 would be the report's recommendations, which might encourage states to purge their voter rolls, institute double registration, and take other measures meant to otherwise reduce "voter fraud." While the report might not stand up to scrutiny for most experts, it might provide motivation to restrict voting for states heavily controlled by one party. All of this assumes that the panel is able to produce a final report and that there are no egregious instances of manipulation. Rinkles posted:Ostrovsky's work was great and brave (he's since left), but Vice isn't diligent enough about reviewing a lot of their content. They've propagated a bunch actual FAKE NEWS. They've aped Sputnik headlines. Their journalistic standards are inconsistent. It's not a serious news organization despite occasionally producing good content. ah, i was not aware that ostrovsky had left nor vice's decline. that's a shame. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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ratbert90 posted:Not ADA county, the only good county in Idaho. Yes they are. Look for a decal III surrounded by stars on the back windows of pickups. That's the sign you're about to get cut off too so get the middle finger ready.
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Mustached Demon posted:Yes they are. Look for a decal III surrounded by stars on the back windows of pickups. That's the sign you're about to get cut off too so get the middle finger ready. You are talking about 2C though. 
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QuoProQuid posted:https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/881146495449300992 If it ends with Tillerson choke-slamming Stephen Miller through the Resolute Desk, it will almost have been worth it.
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It sucks when Australia has a less broken government than America and forward thinking taxation, despite being controlled by people who built a refugee concentration camp on Papua New Guinea.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Watch Trump get a Nobel prize. If someone with a verified Twitter account can message Trump that Obama making fun of him at the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner is the reason why he didn't win that year's Nobel Prize for Business and get a response out of him I will buy you the account upgrade of your choice.
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AbsolutelySane posted:If it ends with Tillerson choke-slamming Stephen Miller through the Resolute Desk, it will almost have been worth it. Depends, does Stephen Miller have glasses?
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TARDISman posted:Depends, does Stephen Miller have glasses? No he's just a white supremacist Jew with an aging disease that makes him hate the world.
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The scariest thing to think about regarding future elections is what's stopping russia from just doing it again? Hell, they could do it even better this time, they are defunding the only agency that protects against vote hacking, what's to happen if the party in power doesn't mind so long as it benefits them.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:The scariest thing to think about regarding future elections is what's stopping russia from just doing it again? Absolutely nothing; they will continue their interference and not only are we ill prepared, no one in power seems to care to prepare us--instead taking every opportunity possible to make things worse for personal gain.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:The scariest thing to think about regarding future elections is what's stopping russia from just doing it again? we're more than likely going to find out
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Groovelord Neato posted:even if 99 percent of voter fraud was missed (obviously unlikely) it'd mean there were only 400 fraudulent votes in any given presidential election. it's the most mountain out of a molehill thing possible. It's to make voting harder for those who don't vote Republican.
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Apropos of nothing, my hate of seeing Trump's face in every article for the last few months has been tempered lately by just how awful he looks now. Other presidents age horribly in office, but none have ever begun in the awful shape 45 is in. This is the apex, not the nadir, and it's going to fun watching a narcissist deal with how progressively shittier they look every day. This, of course, assumes his dementia doesn't keep pace with his exterior degeneration and he's already calling people mommy at that point.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:Oh hey, DC area bluegrass station 105.5 is now a Russian owned news station. At least the 88.5-2 station is still bluegrass. Is anyone talking about this on a national level?
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QuoProQuid posted:To be real for a moment, Kobach's voter fraud panel does not have the resources to pursue actual cases of voter fraud. Given his history in Kansas and the language of the request, I expect that the report will focus on those who are registered in two states and try to conflate double registration with illegal voting in multiple states. It will probably also try to make "soft matches" between people with similar names and voting records across state lines, implying that some of these cases might be instances of voting fraud. The panel itself might hear testimony from local and state election officials claiming anecdotal instances of voting fraud or otherwise suspicious behavior. Yeah they are going to flag every name ending in Garcia and Rodriguez while ignoring all the snowbird olds who are registered at both their summer house and their winter house.
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ZobarStyl posted:Other presidents age horribly in office It's always so weird how many people think this concept is a real thing, instead of just metaphorical or something.
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Lightning Lord posted:It sucks when Australia has a less broken government than America and forward thinking taxation, despite being controlled by people who built a refugee concentration camp on Papua New Guinea. Don't forget Nauru!
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's always so weird how many people think this concept is a real thing, instead of just metaphorical or something. No one thinks the Resolute Desk literally drains their essence but it's one of the most stressful jobs in the world, even if you're acting like Trump Smol posted:Don't forget Nauru! And Christmas Island!
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So are these 15+ people on Mueller's team working on the Russia/Trump stuff full time, or is it more like a couple of hours a week per person? I was just thinking about when the budget of the investigation would become a RW talking point.
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Rinkles posted:I was just thinking about when the budget of the investigation would become a RW talking point. Well it looks like Mueller has a team who have hosed up some serious people's poo poo so I hope they're all working solely on this and it's not "oh we call this guy once a month to get his advice on stuff".
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Jealous Cow posted:Is anyone talking about this on a national level? So the station was up for sale last year, I know someone who was trying to organize a buy, and it looks like the FM station was sold while WAMU is keeping the HD station. Just surprised at who bought it.
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Lightning Lord posted:No one thinks the Resolute Desk literally drains their essence but it's one of the most stressful jobs in the world, even if you're acting like Trump  where is the Resolute Desk sending all the vitality it drains? Perhaps to its partner at Saint James Palace! Where it is harvested by some sort of famously long-lived world leader! Sure, they deny the existence of the twin desk, but that's just what they would say, isn't it?
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ZobarStyl posted:Apropos of nothing, my hate of seeing Trump's face in every article for the last few months has been tempered lately by just how awful he looks now. Other presidents age horribly in office, but none have ever begun in the awful shape 45 is in. This is the apex, not the nadir, and it's going to fun watching a narcissist deal with how progressively shittier they look every day. This, of course, assumes his dementia doesn't keep pace with his exterior degeneration and he's already calling people mommy at that point. Here: Make America Kittens Again https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/make-america-kittens-agai/klchnmggepghlcolikgaekpibclpmgcm?hl=en You're welcome  A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So are these 15+ people on Mueller's team working on the Russia/Trump stuff full time, or is it more like a couple of hours a week per person? I doubt anyone tapped by Mueller is working part-time.
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Covok posted:I'm sorry for your loss. It's never easy to lose a family member, let alone a parent. Hey, thanks man. In a way I'm glad he didn't have to see too much of this recent nonsense (he was the child of immigrants, and honestly loved this country a whole lot despite it's flaws), but yeah, this past winter was rough on a lot of fronts. He was really proud of my brother and I for protesting and being involved in our respective cities, though, so I kinda let that keep me going sometimes  Gorilla Salad posted:If someone with a verified Twitter account can message Trump that Obama making fun of him at the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner is the reason why he didn't win that year's Nobel Prize for Business and get a response out of him I will buy you the account upgrade of your choice. I have access to one through work, but I'm pretty sure an art museum dunking on him would lead to an executive order abolishing the NEA or demanding a portrait of himself be added to every collection or some other awful thing
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Lightning Lord posted:No one thinks the Resolute Desk literally drains their essence but it's one of the most stressful jobs in the world, even if you're acting like Trump Yeah, but even the idea that job stress "ages you" is based on a weird web of folk belief about how stress and aging work mixed with a bunch of misapplied science were people conflate "medical stress" and "personal stress". Presidents generally live longer than the citizens of the country. It's mostly a media thing where it's a person aging from ~55 to ~ 63 and not hollywood hiding it the way male stars normally do.
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ZobarStyl posted:Apropos of nothing, my hate of seeing Trump's face in every article for the last few months has been tempered lately by just how awful he looks now. Other presidents age horribly in office, but none have ever begun in the awful shape 45 is in. This is the apex, not the nadir, and it's going to fun watching a narcissist deal with how progressively shittier they look every day. This, of course, assumes his dementia doesn't keep pace with his exterior degeneration and he's already calling people mommy at that point. It'll happen, but it definitely won't be because of the pressures of the office. It's hard to let the Presidency age you when you're taking 3-4 day golf weekends every week and otherwise ignoring the more stressful aspects of the job as much as possible.
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Your Taint posted:Please keep tweeting, Donny. Keep digging yourself deeper. You could put together a whole book, perhaps multiple volumes, of just his tweets since Inauguration and maybe a short bit of text providing context. And it would be the Great American Story of avarice over intelligence, profits over morals, and bigotry over harmony. It's not the book this country wants, but it's the one this country deserves.
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