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TNG era Romulans seem to be biologically different than Vulcans even though that shouldn't work? Maybe it's some kinda weird Galapagos effect?
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Romulans branching off from Vulcans will just never make sense. They both live too long for there to be enough generations to become different enough after attaining interstellar travel.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:27
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MikeJF posted:You'd still be able to detect the physical presence of gasses in the vacuum, though. In TNG+ the cloak was a very binary "you're either detected or not" thing like fighter stealth but the way it was in "Balance of Terror" with being able to tell something was out there, just not precise enough for an exact target lock, was really more accurate and interesting to me. I like my Trek space more naval than aerial, and cloaking clearly started off analogous with submarine warfare. Cojawfee posted:Romulans branching off from Vulcans will just never make sense. They both live too long for there to be enough generations to become different enough after attaining interstellar travel. Again that's something you can peg on modern Trek, remember the original concept for the Romulans was literally just "Vulcans who were jerks and went off to build an empire". Although if the surface gravity of Romulus was significantly less than that of Vulcan they would rapidly lose muscle tone within single generations as a physiological adaptation, while remaining genetically indistinct. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 22:52
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Xibanya posted:My personal theory is that all Vulcans have Borderline Personality Disorder and created a society to function in spite of it. This would provide an actual rational explanation as to why it's bad for them to not take steps to address their base state.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:55
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Nessus posted:If everyone has the disorder, is it even a disorder any more? Not by DSM definitions but our definitions are extremely problematic outside of individual diagnosis and even then are sketchy as hell but the best we have for now
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Jun 30, 2017 23:15
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Beyond was better than the previous two installments, but it certainly had its own issues. I REALLY would have liked a start trek movie to end without our protagonist having a slugfest in a precarious environment since that hasn't happened for 25 loving years.
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Jun 30, 2017 23:45
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bull3964 posted:Beyond was better than the previous two installments, but it certainly had its own issues. I don't remember Picard getting into a fist fight with the Borg Queen. Though that would have been hilarious.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:05
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Data did punch a plasma conduit though.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:09
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McNally posted:I don't remember Picard getting into a fist fight with the Borg Queen. He literally kicks her and breaks her neck.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:09
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WampaLord posted:He literally kicks her and breaks her neck. Slugfest implies fist fight. 
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Jul 1, 2017 00:17
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They either need to stop doing that or lean into it even harder. For instance, end a movie with a shirtless fistfight on top of a submarine while a remix of the theme song plays in the background. 
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Jul 1, 2017 00:42
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8one6 posted:I want to elaborate on this. Star Trek Beyond came after Into Darkness, a terrible Trek film that, while it still made bucket loads of money, seemed to actively insult a large percentage (but not all) of the Trek fans at the time. Then you have the lead up where they were going to let one of the writers of Into Darkness (and most of the Bayformers films) direct the next movie (having never directed anything before, not even a commercial or tv episode). That eroded a lot of good will. This, and also because there was the sense it was the end and not leading to anything. When we watched Star Trek movies in the 80s and 90s, they were advancing the overall story of the universe and our favorite characters. This is a "side universe" that won't continue on TV, is 100 years behind the main story, and made like half a billion dollars and was deemed a "failure" and had low odds to get a sequel. And if it does get a 4th movie, it'll be the last one.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:47
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Delsaber posted:They either need to stop doing that or lean into it even harder. For instance, end a movie with a shirtless fistfight on top of a submarine while a remix of the theme song plays in the background. I would give a kidney to see this scene play out with Kirk Vs. Sisko.
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Jul 1, 2017 03:40
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:I would give a kidney to see this scene play out with Kirk Vs. Sisko. This begs the "who would win?" question. My first inclination was to say The Sisko, but The Sisko is half Prophet, i.e. a god, and Kirk has a spotless record of beating "gods."
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Jul 1, 2017 03:50
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Hipster_Doofus posted:This begs the "who would win?" question. My first inclination was to say The Sisko, but The Sisko is half Prophet, i.e. a god, and Kirk has a spotless record of beating "gods." Clearly they'd beat each other senseless, then collapse bloodied, but laughing. The Unlife Aquatic fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Jul 1, 2017 03:55
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Great, the one Canadian in Star Trek is loving Eddington. 
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Jul 1, 2017 04:04
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Pssst, I heard Commander Riker was Canadian.
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Jul 1, 2017 04:31
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He's from Alaska.
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Jul 1, 2017 04:55
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Oh. *makes awkward smalltalk at the bar*
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Jul 1, 2017 05:06
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Hipster_Doofus posted:This begs the "who would win?" question. My first inclination was to say The Sisko, but The Sisko is half Prophet, i.e. a god, and Kirk has a spotless record of beating "gods." If The Sisko wins Admiral Ross will yell at him for causing a time paradox.
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Jul 1, 2017 05:21
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If Admiral Ross yells at him for causing a time paradox, The Sisko will win.
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Jul 1, 2017 05:33
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The Bloop posted:Not by DSM definitions but our definitions are extremely problematic outside of individual diagnosis and even then are sketchy as hell but the best we have for now Can we say that that is a personality disorder... for a Vulcan? Wouldn't that just be... "Vulcan normal"?
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Jul 1, 2017 05:49
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Delsaber posted:If The Sisko wins Admiral Ross will yell at him for causing a time paradox. But he'll get the "Problem Solved, Series Over" achievement, though!
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Jul 1, 2017 05:53
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Vulcans had a eugenics war too, but only the augmented supervulcans survived on their home planet, and the baseline Vulcans ended up fleeling and becoming romulans.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:53
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http://trekmovie.com/2017/06/29/picard-gets-jacked-in-star-trek-tng-mirror-broken-2-review-5-page-preview/ Mirror Broken looking pretty hilarious.
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Jul 1, 2017 07:34
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McNally posted:I don't remember Picard getting into a fist fight with the Borg Queen. There's still a dumb action sequence in engineering that involves our captain hanging precariously over certain death.
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Jul 1, 2017 08:05
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dont even fink about it posted:http://trekmovie.com/2017/06/29/picard-gets-jacked-in-star-trek-tng-mirror-broken-2-review-5-page-preview/ I love how completely over the top it is. There should be no making sense of the Mirror Universe, it just is. And of course Mirror Picard is doing wrestling moves, he looks like friggin' Hulk Hogan.
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Jul 1, 2017 08:10
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Nessus posted:Well I meant in the sense of, let's say every Vulcan - or at least the vast majority, to the point where it's normative - has certain behaviors or habits or whatever that we would consider a particular personality disorder. Yeah definitely. It still might be useful to describe them with terms like sociopathy or whatever to illustrate the way in which their baseline is different from humans but it wouldn't be a disorder if it was "normal" for them. Same with Klingons and anger issues or Romulan paranoia or whatever.
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Jul 1, 2017 14:15
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McSpanky posted:I love how completely over the top it is. There should be no making sense of the Mirror Universe, it just is. And of course Mirror Picard is doing wrestling moves, he looks like friggin' Hulk Hogan. Living in the Mirror Universe must be exhausting, just constantly watching your back all the time because everyone is an arsehole, and having to be good at your job. Everyone must triple lock their doors at night, check every nook and cranny before just collapsing on the sofa.
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Jul 1, 2017 15:25
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How the gently caress did the mirror universe people ever survive long enough to invent the spaceship
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Jul 1, 2017 15:50
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skasion posted:How the gently caress did the mirror universe people ever survive long enough to invent the spaceship Invent? They stole it, mostly. Stormed the Vulcan ship that landed in Montana, stole TOS-level tech from the USS Defiant in Enterprise, got knocked over by the Klingon-Cardassians in DS9, then in the comics they've revved back up and stolen all the good poo poo from them again.
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Jul 1, 2017 16:01
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The_Doctor posted:Living in the Mirror Universe must be exhausting, just constantly watching your back all the time because everyone is an arsehole, and having to be good at your job. Everyone must triple lock their doors at night, check every nook and cranny before just collapsing on the sofa. There was a comic that addressed this issue. I think it was one set in the Wrath of Khan/Search For Spock era, where Mirror Universe versions of Kirk, Saavik, etc come into our universe and steal the Enterprise. One of the characters talked about how he admired the Prime universe crew because where they had camaraderie and friendship, he just had to look behind his back all the time.
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I finished reading issues 1 & 2 of mirror broken and I can't wait for swolepicard to backhand weasley when he tells that kid to shut up. "SHUUUUT UP WEEEEEASLEY"
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Jul 1, 2017 17:29
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What if there's a mirror universe in the other direction too? A universe where everyone is milquetoast and bland and good-natured to the point of simpering, where the most popular hobby is collecting different colors of dryer lint, and even something like a court martial feels more like an episode of Barney and Friends. Where they'd be politely aghast to discover that in the prime universe, people sometimes compete against each other, and can even consider that a friendly thing to do. O'Brien and Bashir from the Wimpazoid universe just can't believe that their counterparts enjoy hurling spiked projectiles at a target, and keeping close track of who is hurling more accurately so that one can be aggrandized over the other. (Let's not even TALK about their holodeck recreations of the prime universe's truly twisted version of the great British and German Aerobatics Fun Festivals of the 1910s.
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Powered Descent posted:What if there's a mirror universe in the other direction too? A universe where everyone is milquetoast and bland and good-natured to the point of simpering, where the most popular hobby is collecting different colors of dryer lint, and even something like a court martial feels more like an episode of Barney and Friends. Where they'd be politely aghast to discover that in the prime universe, people sometimes compete against each other, and can even consider that a friendly thing to do. O'Brien and Bashir from the Wimpazoid universe just can't believe that their counterparts enjoy hurling spiked projectiles at a target, and keeping close track of who is hurling more accurately so that one can be aggrandized over the other. (Let's not even TALK about their holodeck recreations of the prime universe's truly twisted version of the great British and German Aerobatics Fun Festivals of the 1910s. 
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Powered Descent posted:What if there's a mirror universe in the other direction too? A universe where everyone is milquetoast and bland and good-natured to the point of simpering, where the most popular hobby is collecting different colors of dryer lint, and even something like a court martial feels more like an episode of Barney and Friends. Where they'd be politely aghast to discover that in the prime universe, people sometimes compete against each other, and can even consider that a friendly thing to do. O'Brien and Bashir from the Wimpazoid universe just can't believe that their counterparts enjoy hurling spiked projectiles at a target, and keeping close track of who is hurling more accurately so that one can be aggrandized over the other. (Let's not even TALK about their holodeck recreations of the prime universe's truly twisted version of the great British and German Aerobatics Fun Festivals of the 1910s. All I know is my gut says maybe.
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Powered Descent posted:What if there's a mirror universe in the other direction too? A universe where everyone is milquetoast and bland and good-natured to the point of simpering, where the most popular hobby is collecting different colors of dryer lint, and even something like a court martial feels more like an episode of Barney and Friends. Where they'd be politely aghast to discover that in the prime universe, people sometimes compete against each other, and can even consider that a friendly thing to do. O'Brien and Bashir from the Wimpazoid universe just can't believe that their counterparts enjoy hurling spiked projectiles at a target, and keeping close track of who is hurling more accurately so that one can be aggrandized over the other. (Let's not even TALK about their holodeck recreations of the prime universe's truly twisted version of the great British and German Aerobatics Fun Festivals of the 1910s. That's the universe where barcaly is captain of the enterprise and he has to deal with lt. Jean luc "pickles" Picard
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Powered Descent posted:What if there's a mirror universe in the other direction too? A universe where everyone is milquetoast and bland and good-natured to the point of simpering, where the most popular hobby is collecting different colors of dryer lint, and even something like a court martial feels more like an episode of Barney and Friends. Where they'd be politely aghast to discover that in the prime universe, people sometimes compete against each other, and can even consider that a friendly thing to do. O'Brien and Bashir from the Wimpazoid universe just can't believe that their counterparts enjoy hurling spiked projectiles at a target, and keeping close track of who is hurling more accurately so that one can be aggrandized over the other. (Let's not even TALK about their holodeck recreations of the prime universe's truly twisted version of the great British and German Aerobatics Fun Festivals of the 1910s. Maybe it was this universe 
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Yea, the Wimpazoid universe would just surrender to the Borg. "Resistance is futile, you say? Okay."
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WampaLord posted:Yea, the Wimpazoid universe would just surrender to the Borg. "Resistance is futile, you say? Okay." Oh dang! Well, we don't want to upset anyone!
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