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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Would you guys concur with no fuel out of the carb feed on crank, pump is borked? I can pick up a cheap pump, gasket, and a chunk of fuel line for probably 25 bucks. I'll try to get that done this weekend and get this turd fired back up. Either that or a gunked line/pickup/tank. You could try siphoning something out of the fuel line, or running a (clear) hose from the existing fuel pump to a small container of gas and see if it sucks any up, but for $25 I'd be pretty tempted to just toss another one on there. Then again, this whole motor is coming out eventually anyway... If you're keeping it for awhile, I'd get a 4-bbl manifold and literally any other carb, but that's probably because I have no idea how a rochester works and yet I'm familiar with Holleys and Edels.  E: Wait, did you have the tank out or disconnected to do the rear end? Do we know there's gas in there 
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Raluek posted:Either that or a gunked line/pickup/tank. You could try siphoning something out of the fuel line, or running a (clear) hose from the existing fuel pump to a small container of gas and see if it sucks any up, but for $25 I'd be pretty tempted to just toss another one on there. Then again, this whole motor is coming out eventually anyway... Tank's never been out of the car or disconnected. I know for a fact there's some gas in it so it's not pulling from an empty tank. Feed hose in a container of gas is a good idea, though. drat. Wish I would have thought of that before I pulled the pump off. I'm trying to throw as little money as possible at this lump since it is technically temporary, but a new fuel pump setup is something I can swallow. If i can find an intake and 4bbl for super duper cheap, I'll pick it up. Summit's got a whole 4bbl kit (carb, intake, gaskets, etc.) but it's almost 500 bucks. If I'm dropping that sort of coin on engine parts, they're gonna be Gen III/IV.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Tank's never been out of the car or disconnected. I know for a fact there's some gas in it so it's not pulling from an empty tank. Feed hose in a container of gas is a good idea, though. drat. Wish I would have thought of that before I pulled the pump off. I'm trying to throw as little money as possible at this lump since it is technically temporary, but a new fuel pump setup is something I can swallow. If i can find an intake and 4bbl for super duper cheap, I'll pick it up. Summit's got a whole 4bbl kit (carb, intake, gaskets, etc.) but it's almost 500 bucks. If I'm dropping that sort of coin on engine parts, they're gonna be Gen III/IV. I had a spare performer RPM a couple years ago, but I gave it away to my neighbor, sorry. Would have sent it to you for the price of shipping  Check Craigslist? Might find something cheap E: Yeah around here it looks like you can grab an intake for $50 and a carb for another $50. Probably similar over there? Raluek fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Tank's never been out of the car or disconnected. I know for a fact there's some gas in it so it's not pulling from an empty tank. Feed hose in a container of gas is a good idea, though. drat. Wish I would have thought of that before I pulled the pump off. I'm trying to throw as little money as possible at this lump since it is technically temporary, but a new fuel pump setup is something I can swallow. If i can find an intake and 4bbl for super duper cheap, I'll pick it up. Summit's got a whole 4bbl kit (carb, intake, gaskets, etc.) but it's almost 500 bucks. If I'm dropping that sort of coin on engine parts, they're gonna be Gen III/IV. Hey if you give me what your looking for I can go threw the drawer of carbs at work and get you a rebuild too. For a low price of meeting up to aquire it.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:22
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So long as the lines aren't blocked (maybe blow some air through to confirm), and you've made sure the voltage is good with the pump running, then yes, the pump is suspect.
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Jun 29, 2017 14:25
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sharkytm posted:So long as the lines aren't blocked (maybe blow some air through to confirm), and you've made sure the voltage is good with the pump running, then yes, the pump is suspect. Should be a mechanical pump off the side of the block. There's a chance the diaphragm is cracked and sucking wind.
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Mr-Spain posted:Should be a mechanical pump off the side of the block. There's a chance the diaphragm is cracked and sucking wind. Ding ding. Yeah, it's just a stock mechanical pump. No electron voodoo here. clam ache posted:Hey if you give me what your looking for I can go threw the drawer of carbs at work and get you a rebuild too. For a low price of meeting up to aquire it. poo poo dude, I'm honestly up for whatever in the 450cfm range. If I can wake this anchor up for next to free, I'll try it. I can probably get a cheapo intake of craigslist.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Ding ding. Yeah, it's just a stock mechanical pump. No electron voodoo here. That's what I get for posting before I've had my coffee... 
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Jun 29, 2017 23:31
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Ding ding. Yeah, it's just a stock mechanical pump. No electron voodoo here. 600CFM edelbrock or 650 (i think that's the common size) holley would do ya right up. I dunno that I would do a smaller carb than that on a 350. I had a 600 Edel on my 327, and it ran perfect without any twiddling.
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Raluek posted:600CFM edelbrock or 650 (i think that's the common size) holley would do ya right up. I dunno that I would do a smaller carb than that on a 350. I had a 600 Edel on my 327, and it ran perfect without any twiddling. Yeah, the stock Rochester is 390cfm but that actually came off the 307 far as I can tell. Based my number off bumping that up a bit. According to calculators, a 350 at 5500rpm would be set with 500-600 so yeah, I'd probably be choking it out some with 450. Thanks, man.
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New fuel pump get! Fuel pump acquired at Advance. 17 bucks and even came with gaskets. Pretty sweet deal. Well it would be if the loving output fitting was the right size. It's approximately a foot bigger than the stock fitting so there's no loving way the feed line for the carb is gonna work. I'm pretty sure they used the loving fuel pump off the 307, too. Always loving something. Guess I'll be exchanging that tomorrow. My fault for checking if fuel pump changed with factory engine size. Ugh.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:28
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Since I'm at work and have ready access to a parts catalog... Yes, a '71 nova with a 307 and a 350 take different fuel pumps. I'll grab some pictures for reference and upload them when I get home and settled here in like an hour if you want.  Edit: And checking compatibility listings the 307 pump was used on 327s, 307s and 283s. No tree fiddys. Edit the second, son of electric boogaloo frankenstein: looking at it, the most obvious physical difference is the angle of the clamp on hose fitting to the threaded fitting, so yes, looks like they reused the 307 fuel pump. Elmnt80 fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Cop Porn Popper posted:Since I'm at work and have ready access to a parts catalog... Yes, a '71 nova with a 307 and a 350 take different fuel pumps. I'll grab some pictures for reference and upload them when I get home and settled here in like an hour if you want. Yeah, Advance has both. 2 different part numbers. Again, my fault for telling the dude 350 when I should have said 307 and not checking before. Same flow rate but different pressures. Looks like the outlet is 1/2" on the small pump and 5/8" on the big.
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Jul 1, 2017 02:57
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Well take all the loving fun out of it for me whydoncha. 
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If you're gonna plunk a 4-barrel on there, you might think about upgrading to the bigger pump anyway?
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I've been very interested in trying out one of the multitude of third party TBIs thats come out the last years. Please do the needful so I can watch and learn.
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Raluek posted:If you're gonna plunk a 4-barrel on there, you might think about upgrading to the bigger pump anyway? 4 barrel is very much a maybe and low priority. If I go that way, I'll spend another 17 bucks on a pump  As far as TBI, I was thinking about it before deciding on LS power, but that plan is long gone. Sorry man.
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Pump swapped, line hooked up (carb end free), crank crank crank, squirt! Pump's good. Line hooked to carb, shot of fluid, pump gas, crank crank, RUNS. gently caress yeah. Took a couple starts to get it to settle in but it loving fires right up now. I left it running for a bit just to get the juices going again and noticed a little smoke in the engine bay. Not a lot, but enough to see. No bueno. Killed the engine and started hunting for a source. My loving power steering line is laying up against the exhaust manifold. I was kinda iffy on those because I wasn't sure if I had them routed correctly when I put this thing back together. The one against the manifold was the return line so not high pressure and it has this big insulating wrap on it so the heat wasn't right on the hose itself. Still, gotta figure that poo poo out . Started looking around online and I think I hosed up by routing the hoses on the outside of the motor mount when they should be on the inside sorta running under the engine. I need to get that taken care of but it shouldn't be too big a deal. I'll unhook them at the steering box and put them where they should be. But it's a runner!
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Smoke in the engine bay is 100% normal on a project startup, you know that right? One greasy handprint on the manifold will smoke like a motherfucker. It's only a problem if it doesn't go away. Also, congratulations on the startup! Vids when it moves please.
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LloydDobler posted:Smoke in the engine bay is 100% normal on a project startup, you know that right? One greasy handprint on the manifold will smoke like a motherfucker. It's only a problem if it doesn't go away. Yeah, to be honest, I don't think the smoke was actually coming from that line but it definitely needed to be taken care of before it became a problem. Got the lines going where they should be and now there's a ton of room between them and the manifolds. It's still smoking a little bit over there, but who knows what kind of crap has built up since I drove it last . Also, holy gently caress this carb needs tuned. Falls on its face for half a second on throttle and then catches back up to itself. Unfortunately, the whole "when it moves" thing may be a little farther out than I had hoped. It will not go into gear. Column shifter moves the linkage, that linkage moves the little selector in the side of the transmission, no loving movement. I can move the linkage/selector on the side of the trans just fine by hand so nothing is bound up in the linkage anywhere, but it doesn't even try to grab a gear. No thunk, no movement, no nothing. I'm honestly pretty stumped on this one. Disappointed, too. gently caress.
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Jul 1, 2017 21:05
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Is the next step dropping the trans?
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cakesmith handyman posted:Is the next step
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It's prob this. Unless something is way fuckered, it should at least chunk into gear if you have fluid in it.
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Yeah, I've been flipping through the trans section of the service manual and as soon as I read the "oil level check" section my brain went "oh gently caress." I think I topped it off a bit after I put the poo poo all back together, but I haven't even looked at it since then. I already hit the showers today since we've got dinner (and fireworks) plans for tonight, but I'll get out there tomorrow and check it after it's warmed up. Fingers crossed, yeah?
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So I just said gently caress it and bought supplies for both oil and trans fluid changes. Banged that out and put the 2 quarts I bought plus the half quart I had of ATF back in it. Manual says 2.5 quarts after a drain. Fired it up and let it run for a bit in neutral. Checked the stick and it's still low. poo poo. Gonna need to run out somewhere and pick up some more juice. In other news, holy gently caress this thing smokes. Looks like it's mainly coming out of the exhaust manifolds. Well not necessarily out, but off, you know? I can only assume that it's just junk settled in there and it'll burn off in time, but it's pretty gnarly. Not much of an update here, but oh well.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:So I just said gently caress it and bought supplies for both oil and trans fluid changes. Banged that out and put the 2 quarts I bought plus the half quart I had of ATF back in it. Manual says 2.5 quarts after a drain. Fired it up and let it run for a bit in neutral. Checked the stick and it's still low. poo poo. Gonna need to run out somewhere and pick up some more juice. Yeah anytime you touch the headers you'll get greasy fingerprints on it, and if they are cheapies that came painted, the paint will all burn off in short order. Also, usually those trans fluid capacities don't include the torque converter. 2.5 also seems pretty low, what trans is in it? TH350? https://www.tciauto.com/tc/fluid-capacity
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Raluek posted:Yeah anytime you touch the headers you'll get greasy fingerprints on it, and if they are cheapies that came painted, the paint will all burn off in short order. TH350, yeah. Again, manual says refill capacity is "approximately 2.5 qts.". I'm guessing since it's been sitting unloved for so long that most of the fluid that stays up in the guts has drained down into the pan (and then out when I changed the fluid). I didn't get much of a stream when I pulled the drain plug so I'm thinking it was pretty low to begin with. Exhaust manifolds are the stock irons, btw. I'm guessing they're just covered in gunk and whatever from sitting for so long. I need a bigger fan for the garage...
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:TH350, yeah. Again, manual says refill capacity is "approximately 2.5 qts.". I'm guessing since it's been sitting unloved for so long that most of the fluid that stays up in the guts has drained down into the pan (and then out when I changed the fluid). I didn't get much of a stream when I pulled the drain plug so I'm thinking it was pretty low to begin with. Exhaust manifolds are the stock irons, btw. I'm guessing they're just covered in gunk and whatever from sitting for so long. I need a bigger fan for the garage... Ah, yeah it's probably giving you the capacity for a normal pan-drop replacement. Between the torque converter and all the little passageways, the dry capacity is much higher. I've added 3 or 4 qt to my TH350 before when it was low enough to be majorly slipping, and as far as I can tell it's got the stock pan on it.
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After a slightly e/n post in the chat thread, I nutted up and went out to the garage with a drive to Get poo poo Done. Hooked the battery back up and fired it back up. Took a few seconds of cranking, but once it caught it fired right up. I do appreciate that. Let it run for a bit to get all the juices warmed up and checked the trans fluid. Still a little low so I topped it up some. Gave it another minute or two and then got back in for the moment of truth. Foot on the brake, lever up to R... *clunk - idle drop* WE HAVE REVERSE. Eased the brake up and it actually moved under its own power. I blew the muffler up in September of 2013 and put the replacement on a week or so after that. So we're just under four loving years since this thing has motivated itself. gently caress me. Checked drive and that one works, too. Huzzah! Killed it to let the smoke clear (manifolds still smoking like nuts burning off whatever) and then moved the Mazda over so I could have some room in the driveway. Pulled all the poo poo out from under it (creeper, HF dollies, all my old control arms), fired it back up, dropped it in gear, and eased it out. Brakes are strong . First time this car's been outside in almost 4 years. That's too drat long.  Took the opportunity to actually clean up the garage where this thing had been living by sweeping up all the leaves and dirt and rust chunks and everything else. So much room for activities! Figured I'd also take advantage of the nice day and give it a wash, too.  Gave it a while to drip dry and eventually pulled it back in the garage. Not quite ready for a trip around the block yet, but soon. Definitely soon.So yeah, nothing exploded so I'm pretty pleased. I want to double-check everything again and top up fluids and whatnot, but I'm feeling pretty good about things. I think this is kind of a turning point. It's slowly morphing from A Project to A Second Car. Pretty neat. Thanks for looking.
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Congratulations, it's great to see that car out in the sun where that color can really shine. Great work so far, home stretch now.
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Overdue anti-archives update. Haven't really done poo poo with the car since its excursion outside. Lack of motivation. I did order some front door panels last night, though, so that's fun. Not expected to get here for another couple weeks so that kinda sucks. They're "unassembled" so I have to attach the metal tops from the old panels and do some other poo poo to them before they can actually get installed, but I'm not really sure what all that entails. Need to pick up some new windowfelts and arm rest pads and then the front doors will be done.
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And now for an actual update with actual progress and actual pictures. First order of business was checking the power steering fluid as it felt pretty stiff when I had it out of the garage a couple weeks ago. Checked the pump/reservoir and the dipstick was dry. Peeked in there and it was super low. Threw maybe a half pint of fluid in and now it's dead nuts on the cold mark. Good stuff. I've been stockpiling large pieces of cardboard for a while to mock up a console and I figured today would be a good day to do just that. As it sits now (removed steering wheel just for convenience):  Took some measurements, cut some cardboard, rammed it in there, made some marks on it and took some more measurements, cut the cardboard some more, rinse and repeat. Eventually I got the profile finalized on some super-thick cardboard that helps give me an idea on thickness, too. Marks I, II, III, and IV(final) top to bottom.  Mark IV in the car:  It comes down at a 45° where it meets the dashboard to just above the tunnel. It then comes back up at a 60° right behind the tunnel to give me a space for some storage and an armrest. I'll pick up some 1/2" MDF soon and then work on actually building this thing. Putting the general structure shouldn't be too bad, but I have no idea how I'm going to actually attach this thing to the floor. I'm sure I'll figure something out. Edit: Here's a tip on making a 60° angle if you don't have any sort of angle gauges or finders: Cut a triangle out of whatever with 3", 4", and 5" (or factors thereof) sides. Boom, instant 30° and 60° angles. Boaz MacPhereson fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:And now for an actual update with actual progress and actual pictures. Make sure to bleed the power steering if it was low. Just start it up and turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off (maybe throw a rag over it so it doesn't throw fluid everywhere). How much is left before driving it around the block? Sounds like you're so close now.
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Larrymer posted:Make sure to bleed the power steering if it was low. Just start it up and turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off (maybe throw a rag over it so it doesn't throw fluid everywhere). It should be fairly well bled as I did that after getting it all put together and fired up again a while back. Probably why it was so drat low. I'll be sure to do that and burp the radiator again before the next big excursion outside. There's not a lot left at all, if anything really. I just got focused on the console today so that's what happened. I don't really have any sort of schedule as my original one got loving nuked a long time ago. I'll probably fire it up again next weekend and maybe I'll have the balls then to put it in the street.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Edit: Here's a tip on making a 60° angle if you don't have any sort of angle gauges or finders: Cut a triangle out of whatever with 3", 4", and 5" (or factors thereof) sides. Boom, instant 30° and 60° angles. That's not a tip that's middle school geometry! I'm intrigued by your console building, are you following any kind of guide for that? It'd be nice to build a tiny one for my truck.
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StormDrain posted:That's not a tip that's middle school geometry! Can't it be both?  I'm just glad I remembered it. As far as a guide goes, no. I've watched a couple videos on custom consoles and I have a reference picture of kind of an ultimate goal, but other than that I'm winging it. Kinda like the rest of this car. Once I start building this thing I'll try to take more pictures. Didn't take many today because it would have been half a dozen pictures of cut up cardboard.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Can't it be both? So speaker box construction then, MDF with carpet all over? Some sheet metal tabs concealed underneath to hold it to the floor perhaps?
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Edit: Here's a tip on making a 60° angle if you don't have any sort of angle gauges or finders: Cut a triangle out of whatever with 3", 4", and 5" (or factors thereof) sides. Boom, instant 30° and 60° angles. Not quite...  I guess you could approximate a number and that number times sqrt(3) to make a 30-60-90 triangle?
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Teketeketeketeke posted:Not quite... Oh. Guess I didn't remember right after all. Got my triangle rules all mixed up. Oh well; I'm not building a watch. Just wanted something that looked good. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Hope I didn't lead anyone astray. StormDrain posted:So speaker box construction then, MDF with carpet all over? Some sheet metal tabs concealed underneath to hold it to the floor perhaps? Pretty much, yeah. I figure I'll cover it in vinyl, not carpet, but that's the plan. I figure some small angle brackets of some sort for the floor and then some kind of captive nut brackets to hold the top panels on with machine screws. Mild inspiration here:  I'm foregoing the cupholders for storage, but it should turn out fairly similar to that.
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