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Sereri posted:
Heisses Wasser mit Milch anyone?
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I'll fight anyone who says haggis isn't amazing. 
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Jul 1, 2017 18:56
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My Lovely Horse posted:I'll fight anyone who says haggis isn't amazing.  where are my gloves
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Also, Islamocalypse never happened as predicted. That usually turns people off doomsayers and charlatans (after the third or fourth time) It did though? There's been a ton of jihadist attacks and Islamist plots and at this point Islamists have overtaken violent right wing extremists both in terms of their numbers and in terms of the damage they do. The reason fewer people want to vote for the AfD now is as follows: - AfD has very public embarrassing in-fights, and has slowly driven out the reasonable people in favor of gross racists - Refugees are no longer on the news every day, so people care about other things again - other parties (Union, Linke) have taken up the "bring in fewer refugees, deport many illegals" idea - objectively the number of refugees coming to Germany has gone back to normal
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My Lovely Horse posted:I'll fight anyone who says haggis isn't amazing. I had haggis, and it really doesn't deserve its reputation, but it is not amazing either just decent.
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pidan posted:It did though? There's been a ton of jihadist attacks and Islamist plots and at this point Islamists have overtaken violent right wing extremists both in terms of their numbers and in terms of the damage they do. Eh, looking at the 2015 numbers by the BfV it seems that their Personenpotential is just about tied with a small overhead of Islamists (~24,000 vs ~22,000). I'm not sure that they really do more damage though - more than half of all politically motivated crime in Germany is done by right-wing extremists, it's just that it's a constant background of smaller (and not so small, see the years-long NSU murder spree) stuff for the right versus a few big attacks or attack attempts that get all the attention for the Islamist scene.
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System Metternich posted:Eh, looking at the 2015 numbers by the BfV it seems that their Personenpotential is just about tied with a small overhead of Islamists (~24,000 vs ~22,000). I'm not sure that they really do more damage though - more than half of all politically motivated crime in Germany is done by right-wing extremists, it's just that it's a constant background of smaller (and not so small, see the years-long NSU murder spree) stuff for the right versus a few big attacks or attack attempts that get all the attention for the Islamist scene. This is something I kinda wrestle with. Like on the one hand islamists aren't spitting on kartoffel grannies every day the way Kopftuchladies go through, on the other hand Anis Amri killed as many people in a minute as NSU did in a decade. On the third hand I realize that me being white as gently caress means that I'm predisposed to underestimate the threat by racism/nazism, but on the fourth hand those recent islamist attacks do seem creepily extra rabid. Like nothing was stopping nazis from driving trucks into Lichterketten but they didn't since maybe Oktoberfestattentat, which seems to suggest a certain difference certainly not in formal doctrine, a guy subscribing to national socialism should be about as bad as you can.possibly be, but in the level of not giving a gently caress that the social phenomenon can instil in its adherents. I guess the various ongoing wars are helping radicalize people but I mean those wars aren't exactly going away.
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One could argue neither right wing extremism nor Jihadism physically hurts people to an extent that's in any way proportional to the media coverage they receive. (One could also compare the ceiling. Like, if Jihadists could, they'd kill a lot more people. Like, tens of millions. Not sure right-wing extremists would do the same. [Left-wing extremists, including the actually dangerous ALF people, by and large wouldn't.]) I'm not sure. I also don't wanna claim I know why AfD Umfragenwerte went down. Either way, let's see what the election brings. Maybe, as in other recent elections, right-wing people lose enthusiasm and admit to voting AfD less, but comes election day, they still will vote for them. Let's see.
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Yeah, on the fifth hand, Anders Breivik. Curiously the most wretched and sick terrorist attack in recent history, which was carried out by a white, Christian Nazi, often seems to elude the mind when discussing this. Oh another shooting in the US? Doesn't even make the news. But yeah anyway it's definitely Islam we need to worry about.
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Straight up forgot about Breivik, true. My face is properly red.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:I had haggis, and it really doesn't deserve its reputation, but it is not amazing either just decent. Haggis owns. Haggis all day every day.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:25
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bronin posted:Haggis owns. Haggis all day every day. Hot take: The first statement is true, the second not so much. Eating the same food every day is depressing and drains all enjoyment.
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oliwan posted:Yeah, on the fifth hand, Anders Breivik. oliwan posted:Curiously the most wretched and sick terrorist attack in recent history E.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe#Lists_of_incidents As noted, if you add in Russia and Turkey, you get a few more Islamist attacks with 100s of deaths. E2.: Also, the biggest mass shooting in the US is also an Islamist attack. Look, I do think fear of islamist terror is overblown, I'm happy for my Muslim Mitbürger, I actually just got home hanging out with a muslim friend of mine, I'm glad Merkel let in the refugees. But if you want to talk "sick terrorism", if you claim there's in this century so far any competition to Islamism in that department, you're lying. And don't forget the biggest victims of Islamism are muslim. Cingulate fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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oliwan posted:Curiously the most wretched and sick terrorist attack in recent history, which was carried out by a white, Christian Nazi, often seems to elude the mind when discussing this. How do you measure the sickness of a terrorist attack and why was Breivik worse than the 2015 Paris attacks?
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GaussianCopula posted:How do you measure the sickness of a terrorist attack and why was Breivik worse than the 2015 Paris attacks? Because Breivik deliberately went out of his way to target children.
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All this measuring attacks against each other seems to be kinda missing the point that the predicted islamocalypse wasn't so much “there will be terrorist attacks“ as “we'll have to give up our entire way of life to the smallest detail“.
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My Lovely Horse posted:All this measuring attacks against each other seems to be kinda missing the point that the predicted islamocalypse wasn't so much “there will be terrorist attacks“ as “we'll have to give up our entire way of life to the smallest detail“. This. Xenophobic nutters were screeching that sharia law and Eurabia were sure to come now that we've done it and let the refugees in! And indeed, just yesterday I saw some German women wearing a veil! 😱 It was during a traditionalist Latin Mass.
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In fact I'll go as far as to say that spreading somewhat realistic predictions (terrorist attacks) and ludicrous ones (scharia law) from the same source is a deliberate communications strategy. If your opponent rejects the ludicrous parts, you can wait until one of your realistic predictions comes true and say "see, we were right", if they concede the realistic parts you can say "see, even they say we're right."
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pidan posted:It did though? There's been a ton of jihadist attacks and Islamist plots and at this point Islamists have overtaken violent right wing extremists both in terms of their numbers and in terms of the damage they do. Yeah, the islamocalypse I'm talking about isn't an infinitesimal increase in our yearly murder rate. Last year I had family members spending a shitton of money to get Russian passports cause Russian media convinced them that Germany is weeks away from total collapse and they thought they need to be ready to get out at any moment. Do you remember the hysteria after NYE in Cologne? People were convinced that women are no longer able to leave home without security. Applications for Waffenscheine exploded. Right wing media was full of fake news about Sharia no go zones being established in all major cities. Police was supposedly confiscating apartment for refugees. It was loving insane. If you were a AfDler and caught in that propaganda bubble you were literally watching the collapse of German society.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Yeah, the islamocalypse I'm talking about isn't an infinitesimal increase in our yearly murder rate. Last year I had family members spending a shitton of money to get Russian passports cause Russian media convinced them that Germany is weeks away from total collapse and they thought they need to be ready to get out at any moment. Do you remember the hysteria after NYE in Cologne? People were convinced that women are no longer able to leave home without security. Applications for Waffenscheine exploded. Right wing media was full of fake news about Sharia no go zones being established in all major cities. Police was supposedly confiscating apartment for refugees. It was loving insane. If you were a AfDler and caught in that propaganda bubble you were literally watching the collapse of German society. On that topic, a court in Cottbus just convicted a Chechnian man of manslaughter not murder because of his Islamic belief system http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/cottbus-warum-das-gericht-rashid-d-nicht-wegen-mordes-verurteilte-a-1151914.html It's not Sharia law, but decisions like this are what gives the shitheads of the AfD a pretty secure path to the Bundestag. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Yes, the Nazi Mordparagraph is very dumb and umstritten and should have been reformed a long time ago. A good post
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Yes, the Nazi Mordparagraph is very dumb and umstritten and should have been reformed a long time ago. A good post True.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Yes, the Nazi Mordparagraph is very dumb and umstritten and should have been reformed a long time ago. A good post Nur der Mordparagraph oder auch der Grundsatz, dass der Täter Vorsatz haben muss?
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Randler posted:Nur der Mordparagraph oder auch der Grundsatz, dass der Täter Vorsatz haben muss? Was meinst du genau? Mit Vorsatz=Mord, ohne Vorsatz=Totschlag, richtig? Gibt es Leute, die diese Unterscheidung abschaffen wollen?
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Randler posted:Nur der Mordparagraph oder auch der Grundsatz, dass der Täter Vorsatz haben muss? Neben der Problematik der Heimtücke in den Haustyrannen-Fällen und dem absoluten Strafmaß lebenslang das in krassem Widerspruch zumv Schuldprinzip steht ärgert mich vor allem die systematische Einordnung des Mordes als eigenständiger Straftatbestand. Und dann steht der auch noch vor dem Totschlag arrrrgh
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Torrannor posted:Was meinst du genau? Mit Vorsatz=Mord, ohne Vorsatz=Totschlag, richtig? Gibt es Leute, die diese Unterscheidung abschaffen wollen? Gerade diese Unterscheidung gilt soweit ich weiß in Deutschland eben nicht. Hier ist der Mörder, der jemanden tötet und dabei folgende nicht unbedingt gut definierte “Mordmerkmale“ erfüllt: § 211 StGB posted:(2) Mörder ist, wer “Vorsatz“ kommt hier also gar nicht mit rein. Ursprünglich war der Paragraph so gefasst wie du ihn beschrieben hast, Roland Freisler hat sich dann aber im Dritten Reich für eine Neufassung starkgemacht, die dann auch 1941 erfolgt ist. V.a. das Heimtücke-Merkmal wurde wohl auch gezielt gegen Juden angewandt, die ja von Natur aus heimtückisch sind und so. Meines Wissens gibt's diese auf den Täter (“Mörder ist“ anstatt “Mord ist“) fixierte Rechtslage auch nur in Deutschland. Ich hoffe Randler schimpft mich jetzt nicht wenn ich was falsch dargestellt haben sollte 
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System Metternich posted:Gerade diese Unterscheidung gilt soweit ich weiß in Deutschland eben nicht. Hier ist der Mörder, der jemanden tötet und dabei folgende nicht unbedingt gut definierte “Mordmerkmale“ erfüllt: 
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Ich gönne Zini dem Wuslon die Alterskarriere in Infografiken von Herzen.
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Leading causes for why people yearn for a strong authoritarian government instead of a weak degenerate Quasselbuden democracy is probably the exact reverse of this graphic
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Nah, you try and manage heart disease with an authoritarian approach to smoking and fat/sugar intake and see just how quickly that crowd turns on you.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Nah, you try and manage heart disease with an authoritarian approach to smoking and fat/sugar intake and see just how quickly that crowd turns on you. Well, the communist approach is just to not produce enough food so that no one can get fat.
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GaussianCopula posted:Well, the communist approach is just to not produce enough food so that no one can get fat. Well, as I said, Cingulate posted:I do think fear of islamist terror is overblown Cingulate posted:One could argue neither right wing extremism nor Jihadism physically hurts people to an extent that's in any way proportional to the media coverage they receive.
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People are horrendously bad at assessing risk and respond more strongly to risks which they a) (rightfully or wrongfully) assume they have no control over and b) are more salient (because a single terrorist attack killing 200 people at once has more of an emotional impact than individual traffic-related fatalities adding up to the same amount over a month). Media coverage obviously reflects this, but really, it's unfortunately too simplistic to call these people loving idiots - it's a well-documented and pervasive cognitive bias.
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Viel wichtiger wäre mir übrigens ein Gesetz, was Online-Händler dazu verpflichtet ihre Systeme so einzurichten, dass sie Zeug auch an Packstationen schicken können anstelle rumzuheulen, dass sie die "Packstation 137" Straße in Düsseldorf nicht verifizieren konnten.
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Are you sure they use DHL? Cause if I was a web developer(lol) that would be my lazy zero effort solution to keep people from ordering to Packstationen through DPD or something.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Are you sure they use DHL? I assume everybody uses DHL and those who don't just have to deal with it. Shouldn't have accepted an order to a Packstation if you don't use DHL. Edit: Oh, sieh an. Die scheinen tatsächlich UPS zu nutzen. Randler fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Randler posted:Shouldn't have accepted an order to a Packstation if you don't use DHL. Well, they didn't
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Well, they didn't Different store. This one just complained about being unable to verify the adress but allowed orders to go through regardless.
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System Metternich posted:Gerade diese Unterscheidung gilt soweit ich weiß in Deutschland eben nicht. Hier ist der Mörder, der jemanden tötet und dabei folgende nicht unbedingt gut definierte “Mordmerkmale“ erfüllt: Wow. I never knew that. Horrible stuff, I agree that this should be changed.
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