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So, The Trump research I was doing a few months ago panned out and I ended up working with Grant Stern on a 10k word piece. This is all so surreal. Ed Lozansky has been ingrained in GOP politics for 40 years. https://thesternfacts.com/how-one-man-influenced-the-republican-partys-transformation-into-the-grand-old-putin-party-141589792320 I've gone or obtained hundreds of pages from a dozen different archives, and interviewed over 30 people from that world. J. Michael Waller specifically pointed me to the Kissinger-Sobchak commission as a place to look for Lozansky and It was confirmed by another Russian expert who was part of the commission that Lozansky was working with Putin then.
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Rookersh posted:
This is true on so many levels. I'm convinced he still thinks his rallies represent what America is actually like, especially considering he's done precisely jack poo poo to reach out to any other demographic. Which leads me to wonder. I lived in dc for a while and have spent a lot of time there since, and it's an incredibly diverse and overwhelmingly liberal place. Has he like, been outside?
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Crow Jane posted:
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Jul 2, 2017 03:41
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Crow Jane posted:This is true on so many levels. I'm convinced he still thinks his rallies represent what America is actually like, especially considering he's done precisely jack poo poo to reach out to any other demographic. No. The president is a prisoner in the White House. He is not allowed to leave unless the Secret Service approves it. He certainly doesn't go walking around anonymously.That's one of the silliest things in House of Cards: the idea that the president could just slither out of the grounds to do evil deeds unnoticed and unwatched.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:41
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Majorian posted:To add to this, the President doesn't launch the weapons at all, contrary to popular assumption. He orders the STRATCOM commander to carry out a strike, and STRATCOM could, you know. Mutiny. Which isn't unlikely if it looks like Trump has gone dangerously nuts. Yeah, that is also a likely scenario; if there's no evidence of an incoming first strike, or if Trump orders a first strike out of nowhere, I doubt any orders get relayed to silos/SSBNs/aircraft. You are correct that Trump can't launch for them. And if it gets stopped at that level everything is fine, at least in the sense of as fine as a constitutional crisis can be. That being said, it does illustrate that the barriers to Trump starting a nuclear war are more practical considerations than legal ones, since giving any such order is within his authority no matter how dumb it is or how likely it is to actually be carried out.
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Pillowpants posted:So,  It's amazing, terrifying, or both having goons hit the big time on geopololitics. Admittedly this is definitely less impact than Brown Moses and probably less impact than Caro, but congratulations? Phone edit: the President could totally slither out of the grounds if he were Ted Cruz, but security protocols at this time are not designed for his species. Double edit: allow me to provisionally retract my lower impact statement about at least Caro 
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Jul 2, 2017 03:42
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Today, we're all a little Buzzed: Of course, the most disturbing thing is the permanent pedosmile of the guy right behind Trump.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:43
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Remember when every now and then Obama would venture outside the White House and go to 5 guys or Panera Bread or some poo poo? Mingle with the commoners for a bit? Trump would never consider doing anything like that. Ever.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:44
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New Jersey's government just shut down over a budget dispute and the state police are going to be patrolling the state beaches over the 4th of July weekend to keep people off. Hopefully no goons decided to pay for a hotel by the shore this 4th. quote:The government shutdown is the first in New Jersey in more than a decade, and it came as many in the state were heading to the Jersey Shore and its many state parks to celebrate Independence Day. The state’s casinos and racetracks will remain open, however, because of a law passed after a shutdown in 2006. #Priorities
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TheBalor posted:No. The president is a prisoner in the White House. He is not allowed to leave unless the Secret Service approves it. He certainly doesn't go walking around anonymously.That's one of the silliest things in House of Cards: the idea that the president could just slither out of the grounds to do evil deeds unnoticed and unwatched. I get all that, it's just becoming abundantly clear that he doesn't even look out the window
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:New Jersey's government just shut down over a budget dispute and the state police are going to be patrolling the state beaches over the 4th of July weekend to keep people off. Oh my god, that's incredibly lovely. And as a way of apologizing for the double post, I'll say that Cape May is really really nice
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Fraction Jackson posted:Yeah, that is also a likely scenario; if there's no evidence of an incoming first strike, or if Trump orders a first strike out of nowhere, I doubt any orders get relayed to silos/SSBNs/aircraft. You are correct that Trump can't launch for them. And if it gets stopped at that level everything is fine, at least in the sense of as fine as a constitutional crisis can be. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankee White officer with the football is under orders to, ahem, "deal with" any president who becomes unhinged and tries to launch a first strike. But that obviously isn't a legal/constitutional barrier.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I actually pondered going into this one in more detail and decided the thread has already done it to death, but apparently it's worth reiterating I didn't sense any rudeness, but thanks. It's all good. I think we're all kind of frustrated, confused, or scared in our own way at Mr. Trump.
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pepito sanchez posted:I didn't sense any rudeness, but thanks. It's all good. I think we're all kind of frustrated, confused, or scared in our own way at Mr. Trump. Frequently all three!
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Fraction Jackson posted:Technically, the only thing necessary for Trump to order a launch of nuclear weapons (aside from the codes, obviously) is for the Secretary of Defense to authenticate that the orders are actually coming from the President. The SecDef could refuse, but the President could then fire them and find someone who would carry out the order. Right. I just finished reading the article on this fact. This isn't the 60s and 70s, though, and I just hope we have some other treasonous patriot in there somewhere right now, apart from the high-up peeps leaking information. People who are willing to take actual action when and if poo poo goes down.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:48
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
Yeah, this was definitely by accident. Grant and I are working on a second installment of this because there is just so much that Lozansky has done and 40 years of people Lozansky has pissed off or screwed. I emailed the contact number for the "Center for the National Interest" asking if Lozansky went to the Mayflower event and that triggered enough alarm bells that loving Paul Saunders himself felt the need to reach out to me. The Heritage Foundation is currently stonewalling my research - and outright lying to me, so my inevitable entry about that is going to be fun. And the Paul Weyrich archives are filled with over 600 pages of archives related to Russia. I'm failing hardcore at finding anyone willing to do me a solid and go to Stanford for research.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember when every now and then Obama would venture outside the White House and go to 5 guys or Panera Bread or some poo poo? Mingle with the commoners for a bit? Not that Trump would consider it, but didn't the Secret Service flip the hell out? 
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Jul 2, 2017 03:49
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Tayter Swift posted:Unless that football contains his tweetin' phone he won't know how to use it. Supposedly, the president can use the football despite falling faculties. Ronald Reagan was a thing, after all.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:49
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Tayter Swift posted:Unless that football contains his tweetin' phone he won't know how to use it. The football is actually just a large breifcase full of books, which contain the respective codes for the different types of nuclear strikes that could be initiated, etc. "Bill Gulley, the former director of the White House Military Office posted:
The black book has been compared to a Denny's menu. note that there were only ever retaliatory options.Some of you might find this interesting reading - Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself--While the Rest of Us Die The title is a bit much but, hey - it will sell books! Obviously not present-day classified stuff, both books are about cold war era protocols.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:50
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Jul 2, 2017 03:51
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pepito sanchez posted:I didn't sense any rudeness, but thanks. It's all good. I think we're all kind of frustrated, confused, or scared in our own way at Mr. Trump. yep i have a week of vacation coming up before we begin planning for the fall, and just started painting my bedroom today. been a while in the works - was painting the livingroom as states that should have been hillary's steadily went to trump during the election results coverage. i was as relaxed as i have been in months, prepping windows and painting baseboards, with my phone on silent and some music i havent listened to in years playing in the background. even if you don't think you need a break, we all need a break. skylined! fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Jul 2, 2017 03:51
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KickerOfMice posted:The football is actually just a large breifcase full of books, which contain the respective codes for the different types of nuclear strikes that could be initiated, etc. IIRC, the current one is made by Halliburton. Just in case anyone needed to feel even less great about stuff. 
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Jul 2, 2017 03:53
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Of course, the most disturbing thing is the permanent pedosmile of the guy right behind Trump. lol Pence, right?
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Jul 2, 2017 03:54
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The President has total unilateral power to tell the military to do basically anything besides closing Guantanamo.
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Jul 2, 2017 03:54
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pepito sanchez posted:The thing is, I don't think Trump has anyone actively trying to stop him. Like, imagine Obama making any of these tweets. He'd have his wife and family and close cabinet being like, "yo dude, calm down, it's all okay." With Trump? Terrified wife; rich, spoiled kids; pussy media; 30,000 bots sending him <3 with every loving poop tweet he makes. I am a United States citizen living in South America, and I've often found that people here have an exaggerated view of what the United States President can do. Which makes sense because the US President often has more power than what his position strictly entails, and South American nations have a history of authoritarian presidents. The basic thing the president does is execute the laws that congress makes. Any action he takes is just in deciding the best way to execute those laws. He can also propose and veto laws, and use the prestige of the office to get people to do what he says, but the president can't make laws or order people in the executive to do things against the law. Most of the damage around Trump is that he can tell people in the executive to enforce laws too leniently (like with the EPA), or too harshly (like with ICE). Even the immigration executive order is just an executive order that is within the scope of a constitutional law, passed by congress. (The problem isn't that the President can't change immigration policy, it is that he shouldn't be doing it for religious or discriminatory reasons)
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Jul 2, 2017 03:55
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Majorian posted:IIRC, the current one is made by Halliburton. 
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Jul 2, 2017 03:57
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pepito sanchez posted:Pence, right? *equinophile smile equinophilly?
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Lord Hydronium posted:Zero Halliburton, which is a different company that makes cases. 
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The President has total unilateral power to tell the military to do basically anything besides closing Guantanamo. Order them, yes. But what military officer would really follow an order from this imbecile to kill thousands+ ? I have a little more faith in humanity than most, I suppose.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:01
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glowing-fish posted:Which makes sense because the US President often has more power than what his position strictly entails, and South American nations have a history of authoritarian presidents. Too unfortunately true (we modelled our entire government after USA and had a terrible dictatorship for a long while). The difference has been -- is still -- the checks and balances in the USA. Otherwise, Trump would already be an actual, legit dictator. edit: The media's a huge, important part of this, which only makes his attacks on that freedom and institution so much scarier.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Zero Halliburton, which is a different company that makes cases. I didn't know that, actually. How weird! Looks like they're related, but Zero split off or something.
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pepito sanchez posted:Too unfortunately true (we modelled our entire government after USA and had a terrible dictatorship for a long while). The difference has been -- is still -- the checks and balances in the USA. Otherwise, Trump would already be an actual, legit dictator. Even if there weren't any safeguards I'm convinced that Trump is too much of a bumbling idiot to actually function as a dictator.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember when every now and then Obama would venture outside the White House and go to 5 guys or Panera Bread or some poo poo? Mingle with the commoners for a bit? That's the hilarious thing I've realized recently: Trump probably, no, gently caress, definitely has his lovely KFC and Pizza Hut meals delivered take-out style to the White House on a daily basis because he's terrified of leaving the place. And I say this as a man who loves the poo poo out of the garbage KFC and Pizza Hut try to pass off as food 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Today, we're all a little Buzzed: First day of legal sales here in Nevada and I ended up next to a die hard Trump supporter who wanted to put term limits on lobbyists, and make representatives and senators do an internship before coming and and starting their limited terms.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Even if there weren't any safeguards I'm convinced that Trump is too much of a bumbling idiot to actually function as a dictator. military would have overthrown him already
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It helps that Mattis and McMaster are perhaps the only two guys that Trump actually seems to defer to regarding matters he doesn't understand. no, no, remember when he called mike flynn at 3am to ask if a strong dollar was good?
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pepito sanchez posted:I didn't sense any rudeness, but thanks. It's all good. I think we're all kind of frustrated, confused, or scared in our own way at Mr. Trump. Amen. 
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glowing-fish posted:I am a United States citizen living in South America, and I've often found that people here have an exaggerated view of what the United States President can do. Which makes sense because the US President often has more power than what his position strictly entails, and South American nations have a history of authoritarian presidents. In fairness even most US citizens have a very cursory understanding, at best, of the powers of the president. The president also fulfills major diplomatic roles and has major military powers, and has fairly consistently been given more power and leeway in executing the functions of the job over time. All of that said, the president TECHNICALLY can't just declare new laws, yes, although even among administrations who weren't flaming shitheaps like the current one you'd sometimes see executive power being used in ways that really stretch a strict reading of the office's guidelines.
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