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Just once I'd like Punisher or some other anti-hero badass to pull something like that and then find out they got a different guy with the same name or something.
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Lurdiak posted:Just once I'd like Punisher or some other anti-hero badass to pull something like that and then find out they got a different guy with the same name or something.
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Jul 1, 2017 17:08
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Toshimo posted:
This is some incredibly blunt and silly writing. It's like it's half setting up a joke with the barista talk and half just "That guy was like the barista of MURDER."
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Jul 1, 2017 17:38
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Nilbop posted:This is some incredibly blunt and silly writing. It's like it's half setting up a joke with the barista talk and half just "That guy was like the barista of MURDER." Pan the camera around and you'll find the guy's name written incorrectly with a list of his crimes in sharpie on his side.
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Jul 1, 2017 19:16
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So, he got murdered because he gave money to Anti-Mutant organizations? I mean, your normal average person has every reason to be anti-mutant, what with the constant fighting, cities getting destroyed every other day. How much "collateral damage" in terms of civilian lives are there every day caused by mutants? So no, this isn't badass. It's killing a guy for dropping a fiver in the Salvation army bucket.
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Jul 1, 2017 22:24
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Johnny Aztec posted:So, he got murdered because he gave money to Anti-Mutant organizations? Less then the Fantastic Four or Avengers. Its also a bunch of groups that go out of their way to kill mutants for just existing up to and including blowing up a bus of depowered mutants
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Jul 1, 2017 22:29
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Johnny Aztec posted:So no, this isn't badass. It's killing a guy for dropping a fiver in the Salvation army bucket. The phrase "genetic genocide" led me to half-expect he had married a mutant.
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Jul 1, 2017 22:37
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Nilbop posted:This is some incredibly blunt and silly writing. It's like it's half setting up a joke with the barista talk and half just "That guy was like the barista of MURDER." I recently read through Marvel Now Magneto on the Unlimited app - it's not a good comic. He's a downright bastard, which I'm fine with, but the dialogue is awful and everything is heavy handed.
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Jul 1, 2017 22:45
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Johnny Aztec posted:So, he got murdered because he gave money to Anti-Mutant organizations? The purifiers bombed a school bus. Do you really want to be this guy
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Jul 1, 2017 23:19
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CharlestheHammer posted:The purifiers bombed a school bus. Yeah, it's the difference between donating to the Republican party and donating to the KKK.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:06
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Anyone in the comics that's with the Purifiers deserves whatever grisly fate awaits.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:42
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I hate the metaphor of mutants-as-minorities. Black people can't gently caress up fundamental forces of nature no matter what the KKK might think. Mutants absolutely can. Fear and terror of them is the only sane response, or at least it would be in a universe without people like Captain America or Iron Man or whatnot. The X-Men suffer from the same problem as Batman: They're better used if you pretend they exist in their own pocket universe isolated from other superheroes.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:31
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VanSandman posted:I hate the metaphor of mutants-as-minorities. Black people can't gently caress up fundamental forces of nature no matter what the KKK might think. Mutants absolutely can. Fear and terror of them is the only sane response, or at least it would be in a universe without people like Captain America or Iron Man or whatnot.
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Jul 2, 2017 04:57
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Nah they work better in a universe with other heroes. Just to parallel how insane and arbitrary real racism is,
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Jul 2, 2017 04:58
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The trick is using it as an indirect parallel, and never being so stupid as to make a direct comparison. Kitty Pryde dropping the n-bomb, I'm looking at you.
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Jul 2, 2017 05:10
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Isn't the X-Men metaphor more akin to homosexuality than it is about race nowadays?
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Jul 2, 2017 06:32
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Yes and it fits better because homosexuals do have super powers.
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VanSandman posted:Fear and terror of them is the only sane response, or at least it would be in a universe without people like Captain America or Iron Man or whatnot. I mean sure, be scared of specific mutants. The analogy does break down somewhat because mutants are generally capable of causing a ruckus in a literal and physical way whereas no minority group in actual reality can do so, due to their minority status. I believe this is typically known as a "metaphor." Now if the point is that due to the metaphor's details, the analogy is imperfect, I think that is fair to say. But you can also say that the money the Government is spending on Sentinels could be spent on basic training courses and power assessment curricula for neo-mutants, so they can join society.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Nah they work better in a universe with other heroes. Just to parallel how insane and arbitrary real racism is, I think this is pretty much exactly the right answer. There's no real difference between Human Torch and say someone like Sunspot other than one flies and shoots fire from his hands because of an accident and the other does so because he was born that way. But the fact that one of them is constantly being looked down upon very clearly shows how that kind of discrimination makes no logical sense at all same as it makes no sense in the real world. In a world where they are the only super powers there is a legit reason to possibly fear that kind of person. There's no legit for reason for racism in our world there and there's no legit reason why Johnny Storm is adored by that world and is a huge star and Sunspot's weekends sometimes consist of giant robots created by the government trying to kill him.
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Jul 2, 2017 08:51
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X-O posted:I think this is pretty much exactly the right answer. There's no real difference between Human Torch and say someone like Sunspot other than one flies and shoots fire from his hands because of an accident and the other does so because he was born that way. But the fact that one of them is constantly being looked down upon very clearly shows how that kind of discrimination makes no logical sense at all same as it makes no sense in the real world. In a world where they are the only super powers there is a legit reason to possibly fear that kind of person. There's no legit for reason for racism in our world there and there's no legit reason why Johnny Storm is adored by that world and is a huge star and Sunspot's weekends sometimes consist of giant robots created by the government trying to kill him. Sunspot can fly and shoot fire from his hands now? 
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Jul 2, 2017 11:43
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VanSandman posted:I hate the metaphor of mutants-as-minorities. Black people can't gently caress up fundamental forces of nature no matter what the KKK might think. Mutants absolutely can. Fear and terror of them is the only sane response, or at least it would be in a universe without people like Captain America or Iron Man or whatnot. The metaphore was always in them being persecuted for not being like everyone else. the same base persecution black people faced. then the justifications used for the prejudice mirror the justifications for mistreating black people (powers/violence mutant/different banding together for self defense/grouping together to attack)
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Jul 2, 2017 12:09
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prefect posted:Sunspot can fly and shoot fire from his hands now? I meant Sunfire. I’ve been up sick all night. But technically Sunspot has been able to fly and shoot fire as well so I’m not really wrong there either. But I most definitely meant Sunfire.
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X-O posted:I meant Sunfire. I’ve been up sick all night. But technically Sunspot has been able to fly and shoot fire as well so I’m not really wrong there either. But I most definitely meant Sunfire. I figured you meant Sunfire, but just felt like being a dick.  Also, people are mean to Sunfire because he's a giant rear end in a top hat, not because he's a mutant.
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The two are not mutually exclusive!
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Northstaaaaaaaaaar
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He just has a giant rear end in a top hat.
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Magneto did nothing wrong
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X-O posted:I think this is pretty much exactly the right answer. There's no real difference between Human Torch and say someone like Sunspot other than one flies and shoots fire from his hands because of an accident and the other does so because he was born that way. But the fact that one of them is constantly being looked down upon very clearly shows how that kind of discrimination makes no logical sense at all same as it makes no sense in the real world. In a world where they are the only super powers there is a legit reason to possibly fear that kind of person. There's no legit for reason for racism in our world there and there's no legit reason why Johnny Storm is adored by that world and is a huge star and Sunspot's weekends sometimes consist of giant robots created by the government trying to kill him. In that specific case it's the Fantastic Four's money and Johnny's Storms natural charisma. If Johnny had no powers he'd still be a well loved competitve stock car racer who gets his face in the papers while the internet loathes him for "being famous for being famous. Sunspot is an unknown unlikable dickbag who bullied a kid for having powers that were useless in a fight.
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Didn't Reed Richards basically say in one of those comics that he specifically set out to turn the Fantastic Four into celebrities so they wouldn't be seen as freaks, scientific curiosities or whatever? The limelight as protection, if you will?
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makoto20 posted:In that specific case it's the Fantastic Four's money and Johnny's Storms natural charisma. If Johnny had no powers he'd still be a well loved competitve stock car racer who gets his face in the papers while the internet loathes him for "being famous for being famous. Sunspot is an unknown unlikable dickbag who bullied a kid for having powers that were useless in a fight. That is weirdly specific, no one knows who sunspot is, that is the whole point
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Psykmoe posted:Didn't Reed Richards basically say in one of those comics that he specifically set out to turn the Fantastic Four into celebrities so they wouldn't be seen as freaks, scientific curiosities or whatever? The limelight as protection, if you will? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3410145&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post391776866
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Nessus posted:Why? I'm just saying that if I need a permit to carry a pistol, maybe the government should have oversight over the man with laser eyes that can cut buildings in half. You know. Know where he lives, maybe do a criminal background check before he's allowed in public, stuff like that?
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But you have to go out and buy the gun, and consciously decide to take it with you. He can't do that. It's not his fault he was born with laser eyes. *That* is the point people are trying to make. Is it entirely unreasonable? No, but discrimination is discrimination. Also they aren't lasers, they're beams of concussive force 
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Also they aren't lasers, they're beams of concussive force There's an issue I love where Cyclops' deadbeat space-dad is trying to bond with him on an overnight camping trip. He asks Scott to light the campfire with his eyebeams and Scott's all,"Jesus Christ dad don't you know anything?  "
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Exit Strategy posted:I'm just saying that if I need a permit to carry a pistol, maybe the government should have oversight over the man with laser eyes that can cut buildings in half. You know. Know where he lives, maybe do a criminal background check before he's allowed in public, stuff like that? Before he's allowed in public? What else would they do with them? A camp perhaps? No wonder Magneto is killing your kind.
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Okay, I'm 6 months behind so I only know from covers, but isn't Sunspot running USAvengers? Granted his previous incarnation of Avengers had some issues with SHIELD, but I figured saving the President from evil alternate universe Reed Richards cut him some slack. Here's a badass panel to compensate for my needless filler  Marvel Super-Heroes #8
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makoto20 posted:In that specific case it's the Fantastic Four's money and Johnny's Storms natural charisma. If Johnny had no powers he'd still be a well loved competitve stock car racer who gets his face in the papers while the internet loathes him for "being famous for being famous. Sunspot is an unknown unlikable dickbag who bullied a kid for having powers that were useless in a fight. Johnny was just some mechanic who really liked stock cars, he wouldn't have been anyone if he didn't get superpowers.
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Skwirl posted:Here's a badass panel to compensate for my needless filler And here it is at a legible resolution: 
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Jerusalem posted:There's an issue I love where Cyclops' deadbeat space-dad is trying to bond with him on an overnight camping trip. He asks Scott to light the campfire with his eyebeams and Scott's all,"Jesus Christ dad don't you know anything? How many deadbeat space dads are floating around Marvel anyway? I mean, The Summers Dad, Thanos, J'son... I'm sure there's more.
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I keep forgetting they gave Thanos kids.
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