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LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

haste the spell no longer exists. controlled blink is good but you have everything you need.

blow up dudes, play slow and win the game.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 10:22

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:05

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Hooplah posted:

I just finished lair.
Peep that randart ring I just found
I also have a ring of wizardry, but even without it on, blade hands is still only 7% fail rate and I only have 7 shields skill

If you are training anything...ANYTHING else but shields, stop RIGHT NOW.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 11:21

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Where is the rc file located at?

# ? Jul 1, 2017 13:33

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

vulturesrow posted:

Where is the rc file located at?

On webtiles, it's to the right of where you select your version.

In local, you're looking for init.txt.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 19:21

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

PMush Perfect posted:

That is way fancier than my stupid poo poo.

To be fair, my rc file looks huge because of all the commented out poo poo I've been copy/pasting since...0.14, probably? :v:

I should clean it up someday, but :effort:

# ? Jul 1, 2017 19:38

Exewu: Jun 21, 2009; <br>

I kept thinking I needed to find a book with delayed blast fireball in it, but apparently it is gone. Can't say that ignition isn't fun though:

round 1:

round 2:

Exewu fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jul 1, 2017

# ? Jul 1, 2017 20:07

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Exewu posted:

I kept thinking I needed to find a book with delayed blast fireball in it, but apparently it is gone. Can't say that ignition isn't fun though:

round 1:

round 2:

That sexy, sexy rF+++

Edit Or does Ignition never hurt you? I forget.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 20:11

Exewu: Jun 21, 2009; <br>

It never hurts you or your allies.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 20:17

King of False Promises: Jul 31, 2000

PMush Perfect posted:

That sexy, sexy rF+++

Edit Or does Ignition never hurt you? I forget.

Ignition doesn't hurt the caster.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 20:17

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Speaking of that, I've been doing DsFi lately for funzies. I don't have much experience with lvl3 mutations, and I've just gotten "Your demonic blood runs hot!" which has the cool effect of lighting guys on fire if you make them bleed. I've got rF++ on the character currently, am I in danger of burning myself to death? Also this mutation loadout is pretty sweet, though not as overpowered as that augmentation/claws guy earlier: rF+, Blue Scales rC+ AC+4, Robust+30%,talons(boo),night stalker (eh)

EDIT-Whoops, I'm a moron. The second step of the Ignite Blood mutation is immunity from flame clouds. Sorry, I thought it'd be a very roguelike thing to do to give you an ability that's also dangerous to yourself.

In related news, what's a good DsFi god for extended? I've got Invo 18, currently on Oka, normally I'd go TSO/Zin but obviously can't for Ds reasons. I've heard Yred/Kiku but I've got 0 in spellcasting, though a bunch of Necro books have dropped.

Scaramouche fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 2, 2017

# ? Jul 2, 2017 05:40

LordSloth: Mar 7, 2008; Disgruntled (IT) Employee

I've been doing Pandemonium while drinking, and I'd like to share just one glorious moment when I entered a new floor and had to take a moment to WTF at where it placed me:

# ? Jul 2, 2017 05:57

rchandra: Apr 30, 2013

If you're going to use Dragon's Call in Tomb:3, make sure you know it makes noise continuously. I think I had a lot more trouble than needed by using that, but hard to say. Some loops it would kill things, other loops everything gets abjured and I have to keep fleeing and can't rest because of the noise. Cost me 2 blinks, too many heal wounds potions, and a rather large number of turns in which I was within one hit of death from smites.

Scaramouche posted:

In related news, what's a good DsFi god for extended? I've got Invo 18, currently on Oka, normally I'd go TSO/Zin but obviously can't for Ds reasons. I've heard Yred/Kiku but I've got 0 in spellcasting, though a bunch of Necro books have dropped.

Okawaru is still fine, Makhleb is probably technically best, Qazlal is BEST.

e: ^ LordSloth that looks like it shouldn't be allowed! Mantis it?

# ? Jul 2, 2017 06:22

Old Dun Cow: Sep 5, 2006

Scaramouche posted:

In related news, what's a good DsFi god for extended? I've got Invo 18, currently on Oka, normally I'd go TSO/Zin but obviously can't for Ds reasons. I've heard Yred/Kiku but I've got 0 in spellcasting, though a bunch of Necro books have dropped.

Let me tell you very loudly about Qazlal...

# ? Jul 2, 2017 07:16

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

LordSloth posted:

I've been doing Pandemonium while drinking, and I'd like to share just one glorious moment when I entered a new floor and had to take a moment to WTF at where it placed me:

Wow, you're my least favorite Zot stairs vault...

If CZSO ever comes back up I can get back to my demonspawn with ignite blood, augmentation, Sharnga, and Piercer. Shoot a corridor full of deep trolls or ogres and every one of them explodes. Ignite blood with claws and/or augmentation is one of the most satisfying experiences crawl can offer.

Araganzar fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 2, 2017

# ? Jul 2, 2017 07:24

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

rchandra posted:

e: ^ LordSloth that looks like it shouldn't be allowed! Mantis it?

Forget it, rchandra. It's Pandemonium.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 07:28

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Why does Uncle Okawaru keep gifting me randarts with MR- on the,? :smith:

FoFi if anyone cares.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 09:48

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Oka can see what you have open in your other browser windows and what you're doing to yourself when you look at them.

He's a big gun rights guy, try to open up some NRA pages and some info on local ranges.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 15:31

Decrepus: May 21, 2008; In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.

vulturesrow posted:

Why does Uncle Okawaru keep gifting me randarts with MR- on the,? FoFi if anyone cares.

Decrepus posted:

Oka is boring and dumb.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 17:09

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Oka gets a bad rap, he's got plenty of good gifts between 50 and 150 pounds:
https://www.oka.com/gifts/

# ? Jul 2, 2017 18:03

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

+7 artifact Mace with flame and Int+3(?, not in front of my computer) or +3 morningstar with crushing that I can take to +6? M&F is at high 13s now. It's under bitcoinbastard on berotato if you want to take a look at the rest.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 19:39

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

morningstar. you can use shield+morningstar to the end of the game, and saving EW scrolls is usually a bad idea

# ? Jul 2, 2017 20:38

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

That's what I was thinking, thanks. I'll keep the mace around for rF- monsters but I already cleared an ice cave and I think that means I won't see another one right?

# ? Jul 2, 2017 20:55

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

rF- monsters still pop up from time to time, but it's basically never going to be worth using a mace over a morningstar unless hilariously high weapon enchantments are involved.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 21:49

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Old Dun Cow posted:

Let me tell you very loudly about Qazlal...

Funny you should say that since Ignite blood is kind of like mini-Qazlal without the noise/other cloud types.

Pros:
- Interaction between Ignite Blood and Flayed Ghosts and Jory is hilarious

Cons:
- Spiders don't have blood? C'mon devs

Have all runes except Hell + Pan but since the guy is a Ds I'm really scared of drawing the Angel level in Pan. As for God, I'm thinking maybe Chei? This char has Talons so can't get Boots of Running at all; either that or Oka, but I haven't done Hell in so long without Zin protection that I'm not looking forward to having to deal with Hell Effects again.

As an aside, I poo-pood Night Stalker for a fighter earlier, but that decreased LOS sure made Tomb a bit easier. Thinking of ditching my Gold Dragon scales and putting on the Shadow Dragon since I've got Night Stalker 3, the Ring of Shadows, and my other arti-ring (rPois +MR) is also +Stealth. Maybe be a flame spewing stealth fighter.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 21:56

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Night Stalker is great, especially for melee characters.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 22:09

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Next question now that I'm back in front of my computer: I got 66(!) tomahawks of returning out of a bailey, plus there's a couple of +0 uncursed blowguns, a shitload of poison needles, and 5 frenzy needles scattered across D1-11. (Semi related: I also have a +1 shield stashed on Lair:1 for once I get shield skill up far enough that it doesn't prevent me from casting LRD reliably.) Should I be training up throwing as a backup to Earth magic?

E: Just found +1 gloves of archery, I'm thinking throwing is looking decent right now.

http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/bitcoinbastard/bitcoinbastard.txt

code:

 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.21-a0-84-g85d6d27 (webtiles) character file.

bitcoinbastard the Basher (GrEE)                   Turns: 25625, Time: 02:42:34

Health: 70/70      AC: 26    Str: 21    XL:     13   Next: 86%
Magic:  30/30      EV: 10    Int: 21    God:    Vehumet [****..]
Gold:   1012       SH:  5    Dex: 10    Spells: 6/26 levels left

rFire    . . .     SeeInvis .   a - +6 eveningstar (crush)
rCold    . . .     Gourm    .   N - +0 buckler
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   u - +0 scale mail "Ymuec" {MP+9 Str+3}
rPois    ∞         Spirit   .   E - +2 helmet
rElec    +         Reflect  .   i - +1 cloak {+Inv}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   r - +0 pair of gloves
MR       +....                  z - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    ..........             (no amulet)
HPRegen  0.21/turn              A - ring of wizardry
MPRegen  0.22/turn              W - ring of Bakecumu {MR+ Str+2 Int+4 Stlth-}

@: no status effects
A: frail 1, low mp 1, mutation resistance 1, negative energy resistance 1,
electricity resistance, unbreathing, petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC
+9
a: Renounce Religion, Evoke Invisibility


You are on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Vehumet.
Vehumet is greatly pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 16 of its levels.
You have also visited: Labyrinth, Bailey and Ice Cave.

You have collected 1548 gold pieces.
You have spent 536 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +6 eveningstar of crushing (weapon)
 q - the +7 mace of Cugh {flame, Dex+4}
   (You found it on level 4 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents.
   
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
Missiles
 s - 405 stones
 Q - 66 tomahawks of returning (quivered)
 U - 6 poisoned tomahawks
Armour
 i - a +1 cloak of invisibility (worn)
 r - a +0 pair of gloves (worn)
 u - the +0 scale mail "Ymuec" (worn) {MP+9 Str+3}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 6 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your magic capacity (+9).
 y - a +3 ring mail of cold resistance
 z - a +2 pair of boots (worn)
 E - a +2 helmet (worn)
 N - a +0 buckler (worn)
Magical Staves
 b - an uncursed staff of energy
Jewellery
 k - an uncursed ring of protection from magic
 A - a ring of wizardry (left hand)
 W - the ring of Bakecumu (right hand) {MR+ Str+2 Int+4 Stlth-}
   (You found it on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   [ring of loudness]
   
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 X - an uncursed ring of see invisible
Wands
 t - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 w - a wand of enslavement (12/24)
 B - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
 I - a wand of digging (8/24)
 J - a wand of lightning (4/15)
 L - a wand of iceblast (?/15)
Scrolls
 c - a scroll of fog
 h - a scroll of amnesia
 l - 8 scrolls of teleportation
 m - 3 scrolls of enchant armour
 o - a scroll of fear
 v - 4 scrolls of recharging
 F - a scroll of identify
 K - a scroll of blinking
 M - a scroll of holy word
 P - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 S - a scroll of remove curse
Potions
 j - 5 potions of curing
 p - a potion of invisibility
 x - a potion of heal wounds
 C - 2 potions of brilliance
 D - a potion of flight
 G - 2 potions of might
 H - a potion of agility
 O - a potion of cancellation
 R - 3 potions of magic
 T - a potion of haste
 V - 4 potions of lignification
Books
 e - a book of Geomancy   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Sandblast                    Earth                         1
    b - Passwall                     Transmutation/Earth           2
    c - Stone Arrow                  Conjuration/Earth             3
    d - Petrify                      Transmutation/Earth           4
    e - Lee's Rapid Deconstruction   Earth                         5
Comestibles
 d - 3 bread rations
 f - a chunk of flesh
 g - 13 fruits
 n - 6 royal jellies
 Y - a meat ration


   Skills:
 - Level 8.0 Fighting
 * Level 14.0 Maces & Flails
 - Level 6.0 Armour
 - Level 1.5 Dodging
 - Level 2.1 Stealth
 - Level 8.2 Shields
 - Level 7.1 Spellcasting
 - Level 5.1 Conjurations
 - Level 6.1 Transmutations
 + Level 8.0 Earth Magic
 + Level 5.5 Evocations


You have 6 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Sandblast             Erth           #####.       1%          1    None
b - Stone Arrow           Conj/Erth      #####.       1%          3    #......
c - Passwall              Tmut/Erth      #####.....   1%          2    None
d - Lee's Rapid Deconstr  Erth           #####.....   2%          5    #####..
e - Bolt of Magma         Conj/Fire/Erth ####......   11%         5    #####..
f - Petrify               Tmut/Erth      #####...     4%          4    ###....


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (11/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (4/6) D:11
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:4       Spider (0/4) Lair:3          Orc (0/2) D:11

goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jul 2, 2017

# ? Jul 2, 2017 22:31

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

Scaramouche posted:

Cons:
- Spiders don't have blood? C'mon devs

It's not called Ignite Hemolymph :colbert:

# ? Jul 2, 2017 23:12

Indecisive: May 6, 2007

Exewu posted:

I've played for years with one goal, to get a mummy capable of casting firestorm. I've finally got there but I'm a bit at loss at how I should proceed. Any hints? I think I should be aiming for haste/controlled blink?

Oh and seconding that conjure flame is the best spell in the starting book. Even if that was the only spell in there I would take that background.

Been playing MuFE since your post to try to get SOME kind of mummy win and had a few painful post-lair deaths, but FE is a pretty good background so it's not the hardest combo I've been playing recently. The -2 on most aptitudes is pretty brutal though. On my 3rd good run now and I've sunk a ton of xp into shields since I found the shield of resistance and a +6 reflection amulet. Might be a mistake since my offence is dragging behind but sif hasn't given me OOD or anything else big yet anyway.

e: fuckin rip, ended up using a hatch to escape something on elf:3 and it dumped me in the hall of blades.. then after using a tele scroll it not only didnt escape the hall, it dumped me next to a lajatang of holy wrath

Indecisive fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jul 3, 2017

# ? Jul 2, 2017 23:49

Big Mad Drongo: Nov 10, 2006

IronicDongz posted:

Night Stalker is great, especially for melee characters.

Reduced LOS is great for blasters too!

code:

1622465 ImbarsBidbib the Annihilator (level 27, 145/152 HPs)
             Began as a Gargoyle Fire Elementalist on July 1, 2017.
             Was the Champion of Vehumet.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 3 runes!
             
             The game lasted 05:16:07 (82358 turns).

ImbarsBidbib the Annihilator (GrFE)                Turns: 82358, Time: 05:16:08

Health: 145/152    AC: 44    Str: 14    XL:     27
Magic:  36/45      EV: 19    Int: 32    God:    Vehumet [******]
Gold:   3760       SH:  8    Dex: 13    Spells: 2/62 levels left

rFire    + + +     SeeInvis +   A - staff of conjuration
rCold    + . .     Gourm    .   O - +3 buckler {AC+3}
rNeg     + . .     Faith    .   b - +5 robe of Night {Dark MR+ SInv}
rPois    ∞         Spirit   .   U - +1 helmet "Abruf" {rPois Int+5}
rElec    +         Reflect  .   j - scarf {rC+ rF+}
rCorr    .         Harm     .   L - +2 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
MR       +++..                  F - +2 pair of boots
Stlth    +.........             q - amulet of magic regeneration
HPRegen  0.35/turn              N - ring of protection from fire
MPRegen  0.54/turn              B - +3 ring of evasion

Full Dump

Didn't see a single randart ring this game, and the two randart amulets I found sucked, and never saw Corr. Might've been able to find something in Elf or Crypt, but I just felt like winning at that point, and it turns out weak jewelry doesn't matter much when you can blink away easily and have Gargoyle defenses!

I probably would've been better off wearing a Ring of Fire/Ring of Cold Resistance at the end, but meh.

# ? Jul 3, 2017 00:13

Toadsmash: Jun 10, 2009; Dave Tate's downsy face approves.

2 runes down, still alive. I think I'm going to call it there for the night. I've already been at it for hours.

That vault last floor must be a hell of a pickle for a squishy character.

# ? Jul 3, 2017 03:33

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

goatsestretchgoals posted:

That's what I was thinking, thanks. I'll keep the mace around for rF- monsters but I already cleared an ice cave and I think that means I won't see another one right?

You got the morningstar's big sister, the eveningstar. Morningstar is kind of a poo poo weapon but eveningstar is one of the best 1h weapons in the game. As a casting hybrid a shield is highly recommended so unless Wyrmbane shows up you're pretty set.

Be aware that (a) M&F crosstrains with staves and (b) a staff of earth with a lot of Earth and Evocations is a force to be reckoned with in melee.

# ? Jul 3, 2017 23:02

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Araganzar posted:

You got the morningstar's big sister, the eveningstar. Morningstar is kind of a poo poo weapon but eveningstar is one of the best 1h weapons in the game. As a casting hybrid a shield is highly recommended so unless Wyrmbane shows up you're pretty set.

Be aware that (a) M&F crosstrains with staves and (b) a staff of earth with a lot of Earth and Evocations is a force to be reckoned with in melee.

Yeah I didn't realize it was an eveningstar when I phoneposted that, made the decision that much easier. Unfortunately I ended up splatting that char. Protip: Don't continue a good DCSS game after visiting the bar. :mad:

# ? Jul 4, 2017 00:31

LordSloth: Mar 7, 2008; Disgruntled (IT) Employee

On that note, I've been drinking AND I'm gonna trawl hell over on CBRO with the same name. May Toarnaod bless my soul.

Edit: Tornado did bless my soul. And Hells so much more fun drunk. All four runes get, momentum lost for tomb.

LordSloth fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 4, 2017

# ? Jul 4, 2017 01:28

Indecisive: May 6, 2007

why the gently caress do i always underestimate skeleton warriors, they seem like such a trash enemy, upgraded wights, but they're so much stronger. just had one pop me for 32 damage out of nowhere, another half decent DrWn down the chutes.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 03:59

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

They are totally unremarkable other than being durable and strong for when they spawn in the dungeon while also coming in packs.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 04:18

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Durability matters a lot, IMO.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 07:09

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

You haven't mentioned the one thing that causes people to underestimate a skelly warrior pack, as well as gets people killed by them when they try to run...

# ? Jul 4, 2017 13:09

Superterranean: May 3, 2005; after we lit this one, nothing was ever the same

Araganzar posted:

You haven't mentioned the one thing that causes people to underestimate a skelly warrior pack, as well as gets people killed by them when they try to run...

the fucken rocks they throw?

# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:39

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Gozag chat: I know we had this discussion a while back but I don't feel like digging through the thread. How do you guys like to prioritize Gozag shops? Got a DsFi of Goz and I most need 1) a better weapon and 2) better rings/amulets. But I don't want to "waste" a shop.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 16:57

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# ? May 15, 2024 17:05

Araganzar: May 24, 2003; Needs more cowbell!; Fun Shoe

Superterranean posted:

the fucken rocks they throw?

They frequently spawn with polearms, so when think you are fighting one in a corridor you are fighting 2 and when you are fighting one in a doorway you are often fighting 3 or 4.

Polearms give you one less turn to attack at range, limit the usefulness of blockers (friendly or unfriendly), and give your enemy a free shot when you back off. Moving near a group with polearms opens you up to tons of opportunity attacks so it's much more difficult to reposition a pack. This is especially bad for fast races that are used to being able to back out of a fight.

vulturesrow posted:

Gozag chat: I know we had this discussion a while back but I don't feel like digging through the thread. How do you guys like to prioritize Gozag shops? Got a DsFi of Goz and I most need 1) a better weapon and 2) better rings/amulets. But I don't want to "waste" a shop.

Jewelry is almost always the best choice. Jewelry has 3 slots as well as swaps for resists, sInv, MR, etc. and a shop will usually have two or more randarts. A regular armor shop would probably be my second choice until I had a few nice egos in my armor. The problem with weapon shops is there are a LOT of different kinds of weapons and even if you get the right class of weapons you have to get the one or two weapons in that class that don't suck. Really depends on your weapon choice and your other gear, if you have run Orc and are still using like a +1 flail or war axe then yes, weapons.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 17:34

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