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iajanus posted:It is summer in December, and (although I've picked it up reasonably recently) it's still bizarre to me that other places don't have the same understanding of what constitutes seasons (eg. in Australia summer is strictly defined as 1/12-28/2, autumn is 1/3-31/5, etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season#Australasian_seasons). It seems such a fundamental thing that's drilled into you as a kid that it's mindboggling that there's any other way of thinking about it. I never realised other nations don't have their seasons start on a fixed date like Australia does. Like, obviously we don't expect it to start being cold and rainy as soon as June 1st hits, but that's when winter 'officially' starts and I just assumed that in the Northern Hemisphere everyone knew that for them, June 1st is when summer officially starts.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 00:35 |
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bewilderment posted:
Yep; I only inferred that from other posters here a few months ago and it confused the hell out of me.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 00:39 |
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YYZ posted:In '6 Foot 7 Foot' by Lil Wayne, the line: "bitch, real Gs move in silence like lasagna" That's nonsense tho, the Italian gn is a palatalized nn. This Lil Wayne character seems somewhat uneducated.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 00:43 |
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bewilderment posted:
The US doesn't have fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, but only because they're defined as starting on the solstices and equinoxes- March 20, June 21, September 22, and December 21 this year.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 00:54 |
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Only Korea has 4 seasons, did you know? And lakes.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 00:58 |
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Summer starts when the daily average temperature is over 10 degrees. e: Or maybe it's mean temperature who knows I'm not a mathmo.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 01:29 |
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Fizbin posted:The US doesn't have fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, but only because they're defined as starting on the solstices and equinoxes- March 20, June 21, September 22, and December 21 this year. See that just seems disorganised and messy. Is there some weird connection between this and the countries' usage of metric/imperial measurements? Sources say: probably not.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 01:34 |
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Baronjutter posted:Only Korea has 4 seasons, did you know? And lakes. this man has done his homework
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 01:44 |
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Jerry Cotton posted:Summer starts when the daily average temperature is over 10 degrees. Mean is a type of average. What you said amounts to "bill eats fruit in the summer. E: or maybe it's apples bill eats in the summer, I'm not a botanisto."
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 02:10 |
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Iron Crowned posted:The school year in the USA is basically based upon farm work EmmyOk posted:Surely it starts at the same time everywhere but rather than a certain date it starts when summer ends and ends when summer starts. In Oz it's summer during December etc. right? Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:That's nonsense tho, the Italian gn is a palatalized nn. This Lil Wayne character seems somewhat uneducated.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 02:30 |
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Fizbin posted:The US doesn't have fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, but only because they're defined as starting on the solstices and equinoxes- March 20, June 21, September 22, and December 21 this year. The US doesn't have official fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, period; the common understanding of seasons beginning on the solstices and equinoxes is drawn from astrology. The period between the June solstice and the September equinox is referred to as "summer" in astronomy for convenience, and likewise September-December as "autumn", etc., and as astrology (that is, tacky dollar-store knock-off astronomy) gained popularity in the 60s, so did its seasonal definitions. Likewise, June 1-August 31 "summer", etc. are meteorological conveniences. Before the 20th century we'd have been laughed at for saying summer begins in June; the traditional holiday three weeks into June is Midsummer, after all.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 02:50 |
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And businesses (retail, hotels, etc.) tend to define summer as Memorial Day weekend (last weekend of May) through Labor Day (first weekend of September), but using regional holidays is obviously even dumber than using the solstice.
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Besesoth posted:The US doesn't have official fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, period; the common understanding of seasons beginning on the solstices and equinoxes is drawn from astrology. The period between the June solstice and the September equinox is referred to as "summer" in astronomy for convenience, and likewise September-December as "autumn", etc., and as astrology (that is, tacky dollar-store knock-off astronomy) gained popularity in the 60s, so did its seasonal definitions. But astrology aside, aren't the equinoxes the actual points in our orbit around the sun where the northern and southern hemisphere are getting the same amount of light, and the one is going to get colder and the other warmer? It makes far more sense to me to define the seasons by that. And I'm Australian
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 09:38 |
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Equinoxes and solstices are just to do with the length of the day. Equi-nox = equal night. Sol-stice = sun still (the sun's declination appears to stay in place instead of getting lower or higher, like it had been for the last three months).
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 10:20 |
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I think the lack of rigid season dates is because there's nothing tied directly to the seasons here, they're just kind of a background thing. Hell, we don't even have an official harvest festival day which seems weird since it's such an agrarian country
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 10:33 |
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The US is old and used to be a farming country. Of course it uses equinoxes and solstices. If seasons based on the sun blows your mind wait until you find out how months happened.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 13:07 |
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Everyone knows months are based on the sex lives of moths.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 13:13 |
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kazil posted:The US is old Europe posted:lol
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Hyperlynx posted:But astrology aside, aren't the equinoxes the actual points in our orbit around the sun where the northern and southern hemisphere are getting the same amount of light, and the one is going to get colder and the other warmer? It makes far more sense to me to define the seasons by that. And I'm Australian Sure, but that's what I mean by an "astronomical convenience"; I'm not sure how much sense it makes in the everyday world to define "summer" as "the part of the year when it starts getting colder and darker".
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 14:36 |
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I knew some jackass would pick up on this. Old fashioned? The US has been pretty much constant since the writing and ratification of the constitution. Many countries in Europe changed significantly following Napoleon and the World Wars. That's why everyone there uses metric and doesn't build their entire system around harvesting crops.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 16:02 |
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I'm pretty sure Summer officially starts on June 21st here...at least, I thought I was, now I'm wondering if it doesn't change from year to year.
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Phlegmish posted:I'm pretty sure Summer officially starts on June 21st here...at least, I thought I was, now I'm wondering if it doesn't change from year to year. We mark the change of the seasons by the solstices and equinoxes because it's easy to do. Longest day? Summer starts! Shortest day? Winter starts! Day and night are equal? It's either Fall or Spring now! Meteorologically there are 6 recognizable seasons, the missing two are early spring and late summer.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 16:11 |
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The very top end of Australia is near-equatorial tropics so they really only have the wet/monsoon season and the dry season. The indigenous population had their own seasons:quote:For the Jawoyn people, from around Katherine near south east Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory, six seasons are described in the tropical zone in which they live: Wakaringding is a great word for a season, I wish we had Wakaringding down here in the south.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 16:24 |
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Besesoth posted:The US doesn't have official fixed dates for the beginning of seasons, period; I live in the US and my calendar has a "first day of Spring" on it.
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rydiafan posted:I live in the US and my calendar has a "first day of Spring" on it. Yes because the first day of spring is the spring equinox. A day that is predictable but not the same date every year.
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kazil posted:I knew some jackass would pick up on this. Old fashioned? The US has been pretty much constant since the writing and ratification of the constitution. Many countries in Europe changed significantly following Napoleon and the World Wars. That's why everyone there uses metric and doesn't build their entire system around harvesting crops. No they use metric because they are old and therefore don't feel the need to cling to every little bit of "history" like America.
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# ? Jul 1, 2017 08:23 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The very top end of Australia is near-equatorial tropics so they really only have the wet/monsoon season and the dry season. The indigenous population had their own seasons: It's wakaringding right now in Perth. First real rain of winter and it's been pouring it down all day. I feel sorry for the guys at the local park playing club footy.
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Memento posted:Equinoxes and solstices are just to do with the length of the day. Equi-nox = equal night. Sol-stice = sun still (the sun's declination appears to stay in place instead of getting lower or higher, like it had been for the last three months). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox posted:An equinox is the moment in which the plane of Earth's equator passes through the center of the Sun's disk,[2] which occurs twice each year, around 20 March and 23 September. Besesoth posted:Sure, but that's what I mean by an "astronomical convenience"; I'm not sure how much sense it makes in the everyday world to define "summer" as "the part of the year when it starts getting colder and darker". Huh? No, I'd call that "mid autumn". I'd go with the solstices and equinoxes being the middles of their seasons.
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# ? Jul 1, 2017 09:27 |
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The start dates only shift a day or two in the U.S. For instance, Summer always starts June 20-22
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# ? Jul 1, 2017 15:01 |
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My mother in law thought LOL meant Lots Of Love so we'd get text messages like 'Grandma has taken a turn for the worse LOL'
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Sentient Data posted:I think the lack of rigid season dates is because there's nothing tied directly to the seasons here, they're just kind of a background thing. Hell, we don't even have an official harvest festival day which seems weird since it's such an agrarian country Thanksgiving is a harvest festival
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InediblePenguin posted:Thanksgiving is a harvest festival Halloween was also originally a pagan harvest festival (which is why it features pumpkins and apples and other food so heavily) until it got hijacked by Christians and turned into a remembrance of the dead dealie. Maybe Sentient Data is Australian? We don't really have a harvest festival here. People are starting to celebrate Halloween in Oz but there's still a lot of pushback against it for being "too American" and "just another over-commodified holiday" but mostly because Australians are lovely parochial fun-haters.
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# ? Jul 2, 2017 05:45 |
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but they said they don't have rigid season dates where they are, in a conversation which began by noting that Australia has rigid season dates
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# ? Jul 2, 2017 05:48 |
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Oh yeah. In that case I have no idea.
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# ? Jul 2, 2017 06:14 |
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Nah, I'm from the states, I just said "official" since thanksgiving was taught more as a "don't be racist to natives" day when I was a kid
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# ? Jul 2, 2017 11:55 |
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they probably change the messaging at different times and places, i guess -- when I was a kid the imagery was 90% harvest (cornucopias etc) with 10% "pilgrims and stereotype indians" tossed in for garnish v(._.)v
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Sentient Data posted:Nah, I'm from the states, I just said "official" since thanksgiving was taught more as a "don't be racist to natives" day when I was a kid You're crazy then, Thanksgiving is celebrated nation-wide and is an obvious harvest festival.
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# ? Jul 2, 2017 15:09 |
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We were taught in school that it's when all the monsters came out so you had to dress up as a monster to blend in so they wouldn't eat the harvest.
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EmmyOk posted:We were taught in school that it's when all the monsters came out so you had to dress up as a monster to blend in so they wouldn't eat the harvest. They're called Native Americans, please show some respect Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 13:19 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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I'm not American you daft racist
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