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Why the gently caress reduce it? Just let them steadily leech resource while alive so I don't have to keep spamming.
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I'm on live chat trying to get a refund for the Necromancer, I hate it so much.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:37
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Turtlicious posted:I'm on live chat trying to get a refund for the Necromancer, I hate it so much. Lol
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Jul 1, 2017 23:48
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Yeah I know I'm the worst, but I just want my massive skeleton army, and for Skeleton mage to be permanent, and honestly everything I liked about the necromancer i can find in the WD who is the base part of the game. Looks like they just gave me my refund though which is nice. I'll buy it again if they "fix" what I hate about the necromancer, but honestly I'm not going to stress out about it. It's a DLC I don't like not the end of the world.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:53
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I'm having a good time just exploding the poo poo out of mobs with corpse explosion. Get one kill with bone spear, then clear a room with chain reaction corpses. The skeleton king crypts were great for this. It sucks when you've got a single tough enemy with no ads, though.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:57
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I'm not sure how anyone could've realistically expected the necromancer to run around with the better part of two dozen minions at all times. There's no way that having God knows how many skeletons active at the same time wouldn't be a complete clusterfuck in a game that already gets pretty busy visually in combat, too much so at times. At least the WD's fetishes are comparatively tiny.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:31
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Turtlicious posted:Yeah I know I'm the worst, but I just want my massive skeleton army, and for Skeleton mage to be permanent Make sure to let them know and note this so they can pass along the reasons to Travis "hate permanent pets" Day.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:33
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While I agree that the game could probably lose like 60% of the particle effects and still be a little busy, I've gotten used to it and kind of like it now.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:35
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MMAgCh posted:I'm not sure how anyone could've realistically expected the necromancer to run around with the better part of two dozen minions at all times. There's no way that having God knows how many skeletons active at the same time wouldn't be a complete clusterfuck in a game that already gets pretty busy visually in combat, too much so at times. At least the WD's fetishes are comparatively tiny. I mean I'd rather have 2 skeletons, 1 skeleton mage, 1 golem that are all buff af, then 6 weak as hell skeletons, and re-skinned DoT spells.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:38
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DrSeRRoD posted:Make sure to let them know and note this so they can pass along the reasons to Travis "hate permanent pets" Day. Pets are bad. I liked necro too but I never played zookeeper.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:44
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MMAgCh posted:I'm not sure how anyone could've realistically expected the necromancer to run around with the better part of two dozen minions at all times. There's no way that having God knows how many skeletons active at the same time wouldn't be a complete clusterfuck in a game that already gets pretty busy visually in combat, too much so at times. At least the WD's fetishes are comparatively tiny. I don't think people want them to have a bunch more minions, I think they just wanted the minions that they did get to not have a 6 second duration. I'm ok with the 28 pets (or 18 because revive got nerfed so hard it's terrible), but not if I have to keep summoning them constantly.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:45
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It fills me with life to know that we got necro finally and everyone hates the class after years of begging for it. I told everyone this would be a stupid idea and sure enough. p.s. I actually like the class as it is right now.
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NO ONE HAS POSTED WHEN THE NEXT SEASON IS ON THIS PAGE gently caress HOW WILL WE SURVIVE.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:07
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Suspicious posted:Pets are bad. Factually incorrect. Pets are awesome if done right. Each pet is basically a snare/dot combo. With proper balancing and coloring (the skeles don't need to be BRIGHT HEY LOOK AT ME WHITE like they kinda are now), there's no reason in the world you couldn't have a perfectly fun, balanced and viable 30-perma-skeleton-army Necro with amplify damage, corpse explosion, a spender and a generator as complimentary abilities. Not sure why there are so many people actively against the class playing like that.
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I said come in! posted:It fills me with life to know that we got necro finally and everyone hates the class after years of begging for it. I told everyone this would be a stupid idea and sure enough. Don't get me wrong, I like the class and the skeletons finally and corpse mechanics. Inarius is a lot of fun and feels like firebat witchdoctor that just never stops moving. I do think some tweaks are still needed for the others, like skeletal mage duration, some kind of damage reduction on trag, and more skills for pestilence or make the spear empower and shoot 10 at a time or something to make it worth it. All of the sets have the potential to play differently and I look forward to trying them when they're a bit more refined. The passives could also be reworked to give some better pet and corpse options. I wonder what Inarius will become once Mirinae's interaction is nerfed.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:13
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Path of Exile skeletons have a 20 second cool down, and they feel much better.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:22
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So who did they hire from marvel heroes that convinced them to start charging for charcters and stash tabs
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I said come in! posted:It fills me with life to know that we got necro finally and everyone hates the class after years of begging for it. I told everyone this would be a stupid idea and sure enough. This is why I both do, and do not, want Druid to be a thing in d3.
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I said come in! posted:It fills me with life to know that we got necro finally and everyone hates the class after years of begging for it. I told everyone this would be a stupid idea and sure enough. It's just a couple of sets, the class itself is fine.
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GreatGreen posted:Factually incorrect. Pets are awesome if done right. What you want is pretty much a screen saver. Dungeon Siege 1 is like that. You can beat it with a 3 digit amount of clicks.
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They need to fix pets and sets but other than those two considerable problems the class is pretty good. So far the legendaries are way better than I expected from the prerelease list I saw and they got corpse explosion right. I wish corpses weren't stupid looking but I still can't believe they bothered implementing them at all so I'll take it. A lot of the problems come from the core failure of D3: absolutely no sense of roleplay or character building. This is why skills like revive and steel golem will never really work in D3. Anything that grounds gameplay in anything except other gameplay is inefficient, and therefore fundamentally incompatible with D3.
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Jul 2, 2017 02:44
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How did late-end-game D2 Necro play? Did it have viable pet builds? I can see why blizzard was hesitant to step on WD's toes with permanent pets. But meh. George posted:A lot of the problems come from the core failure of D3: absolutely no sense of roleplay or character building. I don't understand this, champs in D3 are way more fleshed out than in D2.
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Jul 2, 2017 02:45
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:How did late-end-game D2 Necro play? Did it have viable pet builds? The Best Builds had 20 in Raise Skeleton, 20 in raise skeletal mage, and 20 in Skeleton Mastery and you could solo the end game with it.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:How did late-end-game D2 Necro play? Did it have viable pet builds? Enigma -> Teleport on top of something and it dies from your minions. To be fair most endgame D2 builds start with Enigma.
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Anyone who wants a good idea of what full on pet build in D2 looks like should search for apologia diaboli on YouTube. The guy plays the entire game without clicking on a single monster. Great LP to fall asleep to.
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Jul 2, 2017 05:58
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Is there a goon clan where I can get together with a bunch of men from the internet to discuss my growing bone collection??
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It seems like with LoN you could build a skeleton + thorns build, right?
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Turtlicious posted:Yeah I know I'm the worst, but I just want my massive skeleton army, and for Skeleton mage to be permanent, and honestly everything I liked about the necromancer i can find in the WD who is the base part of the game. Looks like they just gave me my refund though which is nice. I'll buy it again if they "fix" what I hate about the necromancer, but honestly I'm not going to stress out about it. It's a DLC I don't like not the end of the world. I'm not saying you dislike Diablo 3, but it was always presciently expected the Necro pack wouldn't make the masses who disliked Diablo 3 suddenly like it. The fundamental mechanics/art direction/game design will always be a different cup'o'tea to D2.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:How did late-end-game D2 Necro play? Did it have viable pet builds? Pet build was poo poo for most of the game's history and then one of the super-late patches overhauled class balance and made them pretty good. The secret to it was that the skeletons weren't actually there for anything except getting the first corpse down and then distraction tanking, though, because CE in Diablo 2 scaled with monster health and monster health scaled with difficulty level so it basically outdamaged everything as long as you could keep it going.
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Eregos posted:I'm not saying you dislike Diablo 3, but it was always presciently expected the Necro pack wouldn't make the masses who disliked Diablo 3 suddenly like it. The fundamental mechanics/art direction/game design will always be a different cup'o'tea to D2. Yeah, I'm not sure what I expected but there customer service was pretty great, so no harm no foul really.
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I've been playtesting with Inarius Jewelry. I swapped from my middle of the road Traveler's Pledge with Kriysben and Unity, but now I've swapped to wearing unity, kryspens, Johnstone and then the +5 bone armor stacks amulet in my cube. At TXIII and GR 65, I felt that while I really didn't notice a difference in my damage, I felt like the bonus stacks from my bone armor offset the loss of the traveling damage reduction enough that I wasn't dying, but not enough that I didn't notice a big increase in incoming damage. Johnstone is weird, because i feel like its effect will be more appreciable at higher greater rifts. Where I'm at right now is I pop LotD, then spam lance on an elite without cursing or bonestorming it. I get like 40-50 stacks and then run around, but I dont really know how to do the math to figure out the top end of the janky jewelry build vs. the tride and true pledge. How exactly can I best compare the numbers? Despite Johnstone being clunky, it does make your LotD more engaging and less of a "push to win" button
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Malgrin posted:It seems like with LoN you could build a skeleton + thorns build, right? Nah, I believe there's no way for the pets to apply the thorns, proc hack, or to force the mobs to attack them. There was a thorns build on the PTR as the necro solo tank, similar to Invoker, but it may have been Inarius/Hack, but it just wasn't good enough compared to the other options, like Mirinae. Maybe once Mirinae/Bonenado is nerfed, Hack/Thorns Inarius Necrotank may resurface. DrSeRRoD fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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VodeAndreas posted:To be fair most endgame D2 builds start with Enigma.
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Bust Rodd posted:I've been playtesting with Inarius Jewelry. I swapped from my middle of the road Traveler's Pledge with Kriysben and Unity, but now I've swapped to wearing unity, kryspens, Johnstone and then the +5 bone armor stacks amulet in my cube. At TXIII and GR 65, I felt that while I really didn't notice a difference in my damage, I felt like the bonus stacks from my bone armor offset the loss of the traveling damage reduction enough that I wasn't dying, but not enough that I didn't notice a big increase in incoming damage. Johnstone gets better the more time you stay out of LotD, but for higher grifts, CE Necro is basically reduced to a two-minute wonder anyway where you spend the majority of your cooldown time rounding up mobs and then popping LotD for mega damage. It's still useful for getting the snowball started when your corpse generation is low, but it's not as necessary as Wisdom of Kalan. However in my experience the likelihood of finding a well-rolled WoK is basically zero and Johnstone will at least always come with guaranteed CHD. My feeling is that if you can survive, then the net effect of Krysbie + CoE + Wisdom + Johnstone cubed will edge out the contribution from two of those + Endless Walk. CE Necro isn't like Shadow DH where you can take a couple seconds to build up damage stacks from standing still -- you're basically always moving and repositioning to take advantage of fresh corpses + not die.
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Newbie question, do common/white items serve any purpose other than turned into reusable parts? In D2 Eastern Sun, I remember being able to enchant items from common to pretty high up.
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Senso posted:Newbie question, do common/white items serve any purpose other than turned into reusable parts? In D2 Eastern Sun, I remember being able to enchant items from common to pretty high up. 
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Senso posted:Newbie question, do common/white items serve any purpose other than turned into reusable parts? In D2 Eastern Sun, I remember being able to enchant items from common to pretty high up. There's an item that spawns a goblin who picks them up, gives rares and rarely a legendary.
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Idk how far this will scale, but cubing that poorly rolled Taskers I had for ages, and finding a jesseth set within 200 shards catapulted my necro straight into T4+. Now I just need to find other things that boost skellies. I could cube that off hand I got from kadala that boosts commanded skeletons, but off hands are considered armor right? Are Taskers still rare? I could try and get one of those and just reforge until decent.
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