Fallen Hamprince posted:The measured, conciliatory style of leadership pioneered by leaders like Obama and Hollande has worked out so well, can't see why Macron isn't emulating them more. What are you talking about, Obama was incredibly fond of government overreach with expanding the NSA and assassinating people abroad without a trial and what not
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The Belgian posted:Groen overtaking Spa is pretty lol. Now we just need Pvda akso overtaking Spa, that would be extremely good and cool. Groen always polls way above their actual results, sadly. Open VLD isn't going down because the N-VA and CD&V keep fighting over whatever austerity the nationalists want to push through, so the actual liberals stay out of the picture.
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whomupclicklike posted:I'd like to congratulate France on electing an authoritarian despite claiming not to have made the same mistake as the U.S. *includes planned parenthood.
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Toplowtech posted:And I would like to congratulate the US democrats in this thread and everywhere else who have been horribly obnoxious in their support of said authoritarian. FYI his program that you literally shout us to "READ" because "IT WAS BETTER THAN LE PEN'S PROGRAM" basically translate into "DEFUND THE FRENCH HEALTHCARE* SYSTEM THAT IS BETTER THAN OBAMACARE" and "gently caress THE POOR". Tell me what you think would have been better about Le Pen 
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fishmech posted:Tell me what you think would have been better about Le Pen Macron wasn't the only choice to beat Le Pen you simpleton.
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I don't really remember seeing many people who supported Macron in this thread, just people who said that you should vote for him over Le pen in the second round
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Toplowtech posted:And I would like to congratulate the US democrats in this thread and everywhere else who have been horribly obnoxious in their support of said authoritarian. FYI his program that you literally shout us to "READ" because "IT WAS BETTER THAN LE PEN'S PROGRAM" basically translate into "DEFUND THE FRENCH HEALTHCARE* SYSTEM THAT IS BETTER THAN OBAMACARE" and "gently caress THE POOR". Are you accusing me of being a Democrat
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forkboy84 posted:Macron wasn't the only choice to beat Le Pen you simpleton. Tell me about the magical second-round candidate you could vote for that wasn't Le Pen or Macron! I really want to hear about this alternate universe you inhabit, and how you manage to post into this one! What's your point of divergence by the way? Is there already a sixth republic which mandates the second round be held between three candidates? Was it merely amended into how the fifth republic works?
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fishmech posted:Tell me about the magical second-round candidate you could vote for that wasn't Le Pen or Macron! I really want to hear about this alternate universe you inhabit, and how you manage to post into this one! The point of divergence is people treating Macron as the saviour of Franco-European democracy vs the lovely last resort to prevent fascists from getting ownership of the institutions of state.
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fishmech posted:Tell me about the magical second-round candidate you could vote for that wasn't Le Pen or Macron! I really want to hear about this alternate universe you inhabit, and how you manage to post into this one!
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fishmech posted:Tell me what you think would have been better about Le Pen
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Toplowtech posted:Who wouldn't be better, you mean. That's why you do not have to give a blank check and name anyone fighting her THE SAVIOR of the world. I don't see how anyone gave Macron "the savior of the world" besides bitter little faux-leftists doing so sarcastically, as they insisted on splitting harder in both the legislative and presidential elections, friend.
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fishmech posted:I don't see how anyone gave Macron "the savior of the world" besides bitter little faux-leftists doing so sarcastically, as they insisted on splitting harder in both the legislative and presidential elections, friend.
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Toplowtech posted:Well go tell that to president Jupiter Maximus, he is currently ranting about "those who are nothing". It's his version of les "sans dents" i guess. If he keep that line of discourse and apply his program, I will either see civil war or Le pen will be elected on the first tour of the next cycle with 50+% of the vote. I don't recall anyone in this thread calling him up and saying "Manny, bro, you should totally market yourself as a cut-rate hybrid of Napoleon, De Gaulle, and Steve Jobs after you win".
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fishmech posted:I don't recall anyone in this thread calling him up and saying "Manny, bro, you should totally market yourself as a cut-rate hybrid of Napoleon, De Gaulle, and Steve Jobs after you win". 1) he wouldn't win if you didn't 2) he wouldn't go loving crazy as gently caress at over 60% Well, you were wrong on both case sadly.
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Toplowtech posted:You loving called for the largest amount of people to vote for him Because if the largest amount of people voted for Le Pen instead, Le Pen would win. That's how elections with literally only 2 people allowed work. Sorry that the way second round elections work somehow mystifies you?
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fishmech posted:Because if the largest amount of people voted for Le Pen instead, Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Toplowtech posted:Which most of the French posters in the thread told you was unlikely to happen. "But my abuela!!! " said the scared as gently caress democrat "You better vote Macron your french fuckers!!!!!!!!!!" And now things are starting to go to poo poo anyway (and honestly most french posters would tell you, it's also hardly a surprise). But i am sincerely sorry if i make you feel bad. Also no, i perfectly understand how the two rounds system work, i just think your kind of trans atlantic neo liberal bullshit noise is what made things worse by pushing the balance over the 60%. I fail to see how anything would be different if Macron won with 56% or something like that
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Andrast posted:I fail to see how anything would be different if Macron won with 56% or something like that
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Andrast posted:I fail to see how anything would be different if Macron won with 56% or something like that What would be different is these types whining "if only you hadn't caused the French to vote for Macron at over 55%" instead of "over 60%". Toplowtech posted:Which most of the French posters in the thread told you was unlikely to happen. "But my abuela!!! " said the scared as gently caress democrat "You better vote Macron your french fuckers!!!!!!!!!!" And now things are starting to go to poo poo anyway (and honestly most french posters would tell you, it's also hardly a surprise). But i am sincerely sorry if i make you feel bad. Also no, i perfectly understand how the two rounds system work, i just think your kind of trans atlantic neo liberal bullshit noise is what made things worse by pushing the balance over the 60%. I don't really get why you're melting down and shrieking at Americans for this? I didn't vote for this and no one even bothered to ask for this, the French did it themselves:
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fishmech posted:I don't really get why you're melting down and shrieking at Americans for this? But i will be honest: the perception that the US democrats were pushing behind macron and are kinda responsible for that poo poo is spread enough. Like you needed that poo poo i guess. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Toplowtech posted:I am a Frenchman, that's what we do: constantly telling American not get involved in French affairs and happily blaming them for our own gently caress up when they took the wrong (generally our) side. sounds like you are one of those who are nothing, peon 
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Kurtofan posted:sounds like you are one of those who are nothing, peon
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When Trump visits Europe, y'all had better give him the welcome he deserves. (I expect at least the constant drone of vuvuzelas)
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take notes americans, you should have your deplorables moment after you win elections
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Kurtofan posted:take notes americans, you should have your deplorables moment after you win elections  about the elections during the month after the election too when the "deplorables" tirade crush your spirit.Cugel the Clever posted:When Trump visits Europe, y'all had better give him the welcome he deserves. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Just give him an orb and a cool mobility scooter
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Toplowtech posted:I am a Frenchman, that's what we do: constantly telling American not get involved in French affairs and happily blaming them for our own gently caress up when they took the wrong (generally our) side. Reminder, Fishmech humiliated himself during the American election by being an arrogant gently caress endlessly mocking Sanders supporters and reveling in the inevitable victory of Queen Clinton. Since then, like a lot of chickenshit democrats he's gotten an unusual fixation on the French politics I never saw from him before because it seems to be the last, best hope for his brand of dead end liberalism that lets him continue to act like a smug piece of poo poo towards leftists which is a lot less easy in somewhere like Britain or America where Liberals are in a state of catastrophe.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Just give him an orb and a cool mobility scooter Macron is gonna give him a new Statue of Liberty. With his face on it.
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khwarezm posted:Reminder, Fishmech humiliated himself during the American election by being an arrogant gently caress endlessly mocking Sanders supporters and reveling in the inevitable victory of Queen Clinton. Since then, like a lot of chickenshit democrats he's gotten an unusual fixation on the French politics I never saw from him before because it seems to be the last, best hope for his brand of dead end liberalism that lets him continue to act like a smug piece of poo poo towards leftists which is a lot less easy in somewhere like Britain or America where Liberals are in a state of catastrophe. In order to render him a leftist, one must declare the Bill Clinton and Tony Blair administrations to also not be neoliberal. fishmech fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Cugel the Clever posted:When Trump visits Europe, y'all had better give him the welcome he deserves. I remain in favour of a nuclear first strike.
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Orange Devil posted:I remain in favour of a nuclear first strike.
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It's Krakow's turn. Two direct hits.
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Juncker is pissed at the European Parliament:quote:STRASBOURG, France — European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker berated the European Parliament on Tuesday, calling the body “ridiculous” and accusing it of showing a lack of respect for smaller countries after only tiny fraction of MEPs showed up for a speech by the Maltese prime minister. It might help if the European Parliament had some more responsibilities maybe?
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fishmech posted:Tell me about the magical second-round candidate you could vote for that wasn't Le Pen or Macron! I really want to hear about this alternate universe you inhabit, and how you manage to post into this one! Yes, the alternative universe where before the second round comes the first round. Christ, you're like Pissflaps with a stupid American accent.
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sure Juncker, you kill all the tax havens still in the loving EU and you can have your theater
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Goa Tse-tung posted:sure Juncker, you kill all the tax havens still in the loving EU and you can have your theater You are aware of how EU law is made, yes? edit: also Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:You are aware of how EU law is made, yes? This is targetting individuals and firms that help rich people put their money into tax havens in the Caribbean and Panama, not Ireland, the Netherlands, Hungary, and of course the country that Juncker was finance and prime minister for like 20 years Luxembourg.
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Electronico6 posted:This is targetting individuals and firms that help rich people put their money into tax havens in the Caribbean and Panama, not Ireland, the Netherlands, Hungary, and of course the country that Juncker was finance and prime minister for like 20 years Luxembourg. And a tax avoidance directive was approved last year which will end a number of special tax avoidance constructions ( "hybrid mismatches" ) in the coming years. Yes, it may be too little and too late or not be enough. But that's not the point. Juncker personally has very little power to accomplish anything more since common action on part of the EU requires the cooperation and assent of the member states since that's what you need to get regulations and directives passed. So to dismiss Juncker's speecht this morning with some lazy, uninformed, and unpunctuated comment about him not ending tax evasion right the gently caress now adds nothing to the discussion because Juncker would not be able to end tax evasion even if he wanted to.
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