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Lady Morgaga posted:Leftism is practically synonymous with anti-americanism. As long as some anti-american rhetoric spewed left will close its eyes as seen time and time again. More importantly, they have their direct counterparts in the alt-right, whose members are busy engaging in auto-erotic asphyxiation as they ram Putin's cock deeper and deeper down their throats. The alt-left at least vaguely have their hearts in the right place, the alt-right are the dregs of humanity.
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Cugel the Clever posted:The worst take. Sure, people who are aware of the serious misdeeds in America's past are sometimes susceptible to the simplistic idea that the United States is the only bad actor or that any tinpot dictator who brandies about the word socialism is actually a friend, but these people are by no means representative of the broader left. From what I've observed, the tendency to dismiss Russia, usually using the "but America does it too" meme is pretty strong, at least on left twitter. I don't think I've seen anyone espouse necessarily pro-Russian views, but there is a trend of dismissing the whole Russia interference angle as just an excuse made by the Democratic party establishment for their horrendous loss (which I can see is at least partly true as well). No arguments on the rest.
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Rinkles posted:Felix on CHAPO has on more than one occasion parroted the Nazi Maidan line. The Chapo dudes in general aren't as smart as they think they are.
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Cugel the Clever posted:The worst take. Sure, people who are aware of the serious misdeeds in America's past are sometimes susceptible to the simplistic idea that the United States is the only bad actor or that any tinpot dictator who brandies about the word socialism is actually a friend, but these people are by no means representative of the broader left. It's pretty representative. It's not always reflected in outright support for North Korea and blatant things like that. Often it's just a susceptibility to anti-American talking points that go a step or two past reality. It starts in a truthful place, with condemnation of American foreign policy and atrocities committed in Iraq, etc etc. But when you dig into it to learn more about American imperialism and what the US is doing wrong in the world, sooner or later, you're going to stumble into Russian produced propaganda, whether it's labeled as such or not. And most on the left, to some degree or another, have adopted a lot of those talking points that Russia is putting out. So often, it's not a matter of their heart being in the right place. It's a matter of teams. The American team is bad, the Russian team is good. Most liberals promote Russian talking points about why the American team is bad without getting into the Russian team good stuff, but even that has horrible consequences. If Rwanda happened right now, liberals would overwhelmingly claim the US would just make it worse if they tried to do damage control there. The deaths that would follow would partially be on their hands for standing idly by. And as the massacres were happening, they would pat themselves on the back for saving the victims from the evils of intervention. They may not be the dregs of humanity, but they carry water for the people who are.
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A Pale Horse posted:From what I've observed, the tendency to dismiss Russia, usually using the "but America does it too" meme is pretty strong, at least on left twitter. I don't think I've seen anyone espouse necessarily pro-Russian views, but there is a trend of dismissing the whole Russia interference angle as just an excuse made by the Democratic party establishment for their horrendous loss (which I can see is at least partly true as well). No arguments on the rest.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The "but America does it too" line is fairly amusing if you've heard "and you lunch negroes" seriously before. that's quite a typo kal
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vyelkin posted:that's quite a typo kal No, it's true. I'm about to go have lunch with my friends now.
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vyelkin posted:that's quite a typo kal 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:"and you lunch negroes" Guilty as charged.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The Chapo dudes in general aren't as smart as they think they are. Matt is smart and has good analysis a lot of the time, Felix is basically comic relief.
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Aren't the Chapo guys going "Maduro is actually good" now that Venezuela is in full riot?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Still better than the time I posted about Ukrainian soldiers defecating to Russian lines. That's happened more than once, I'm sure.
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Cugel the Clever posted:The worst take. Sure, people who are aware of the serious misdeeds in America's past are sometimes susceptible to the simplistic idea that the United States is the only bad actor or that any tinpot dictator who brandies about the word socialism is actually a friend, but these people are by no means representative of the broader left. They are absolutely representative of the broader left. Have you been hiding under a rock for the past 20 years or something? The real left (eg not the slightly less right DNC) has wholeheartedly been embracing the "US imperialism is responsible for all ills in the world" nonsense for decades now.
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Cugel the Clever posted:the alt-right, whose members are busy engaging in auto-erotic asphyxiation as they ram Putin's cock deeper and deeper down their throats Thanks. I will use this. I can not even watch videos about the history of various European countries on youtube anymore without having taken a look at the comments and every time there is some guy exclaiming "if only those cucks took their country back from rapist gangs, truly those viking times were great I would like them back  ...or scenes from TV series Vikings. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Oh boy I'm back from Russiatrip. Moscow changes quickly--I kind of miss all the random mini-kiosks literally everywhere. Now they're few and far between, and all the mini souvenir shops that used to hang outside Red Square have been replaced with some sort of purpose-built structures. The metro now has announcements in English, though I'm told this is being done for football stuff rather than as a permanent thing. Walking into the МЦК when you intended to go to the metro is quite confusing, but nice. What hasn't changed is Russians' abhorrence to making change for any bill larger than a 100RUB. More places take credit cards but I feel weird making credit card purchases for what amounts to $4.
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:Oh boy I'm back from Russiatrip. Moscow changes quickly--I kind of miss all the random mini-kiosks literally everywhere. Now they're few and far between, and all the mini souvenir shops that used to hang outside Red Square have been replaced with some sort of purpose-built structures. The metro now has announcements in English, though I'm told this is being done for football stuff rather than as a permanent thing. Walking into the МЦК when you intended to go to the metro is quite confusing, but nice. You've got to find that one store/cashier who doesn't mind breaking a 5,000RUB note on like a 300RUB purchase because the goddamn ATMs love handing those things out
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:What hasn't changed is Russians' abhorrence to making change for any bill larger than a 100RUB. More places take credit cards but I feel weird making credit card purchases for what amounts to $4. But why? I used my credit card to pay 1 eurodollar cent the other day, I don't carry cash at all anymore, it's just more annoying to work with.
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Truga posted:But why? I used my credit card to pay 1 eurodollar cent the other day, I don't carry cash at all anymore, it's just more annoying to work with. Yeah, that's cool if you live in a city and don't buy stuff from little old ladies on the side of the road.
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Not this argument again. Some people like cash, some like cards, don't try to persuade each other your way is better.
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steinrokkan posted:Not this argument again. Some people like cash, some like cards, don't try to persuade each other your way is better. I only use a barter system denominated in cows. 
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spacetoaster posted:Yeah, that's cool if you live in a city and don't buy stuff from little old ladies on the side of the road.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I only use a barter system denominated in cows. look at this bourgie, you have the pasture land to raise cows eh? my goats and I sneer up at you
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steinrokkan posted:Aaaah gently caress, I thought this was the political map thread.
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I'm still really curious what's going to happen in a few years when Russia's rampant HIV problem becomes a full-blown AIDS epidemic. I mean, the government has to know it's going to happen sooner or later so what's the plan, are they just going to lean on the church to help paint everyone with AIDS as some closet homo that deserves to die in the gutter?
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What's the story behind the Czech Republic and Estonia being as non-religious as they are? (and where's Slovakia on this chart?)
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Thompsons posted:I'm still really curious what's going to happen in a few years when Russia's rampant HIV problem becomes a full-blown AIDS epidemic. I mean, the government has to know it's going to happen sooner or later so what's the plan, are they just going to lean on the church to help paint everyone with AIDS as some closet homo that deserves to die in the gutter? What accurate stats do we have on the extent of the problem?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Have you tried living in a civilised state, OP? In Sweden you can use cards even in roadside kebab trailers. Is it the little swipe thing that goes on the iPhone? Good luck with that in Ukraine. I can't even get my 60 something year old MiL to comprehend that she has to actually charge her cellphone (that I bought her).
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Discendo Vox posted:What accurate stats do we have on the extent of the problem? I didn't really look into the sources, but here's an article: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/health/russia-hiv-epidemic/index.html
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spacetoaster posted:Is it the little swipe thing that goes on the iPhone? Good luck with that in Ukraine. I can't even get my 60 something year old MiL to comprehend that she has to actually charge her cellphone (that I bought her). Also please reach your mother in law to charge the phone, even my grandparents can do that.
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Discendo Vox posted:What accurate stats do we have on the extent of the problem? Ekaterinburg is 2% HIV positive. Russia is about 0.7% HIV positive officially, with semi-official guesstimates of actual number being closer to 1.5%. Forecasts show 1.3% by 2019 (off the official number).
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As for the whole "cash vs bank card" thing. I've had several family members have their bank accounts frozen (or just taken from them), for numerous reasons (government troubles, bank crooks), numerous times. When you've been in a place where the government has either taken everyone's money, or frozen it, people get paranoid about those plastic cards.
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Arglebargle III posted:2 is a small number tho. 50 times more than in Sweden.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:50 times more than in Sweden. Sweden is a small country so that's not too concerning.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sweden is a small country so that's not too concerning. Thanks for clarifying.
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Cugel the Clever posted:What's the story behind the Czech Republic and Estonia being as non-religious as they are? (and where's Slovakia on this chart?)
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Arglebargle III posted:2 is a small number tho.
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