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BrandorKP posted:Someday sooner than I'd like, it's likely at least one of my parents will need medicaid if they end up needing nursing home care. Yeah, I was talking to my cousin tonight. He runs a big a steel plant (they don't make steel, they build stuff out of steel) in Houston, they had been doing tons of business in oil before the collapse of oil prices, and have recently switched to building racking for big box stores, and he is saying they expect to get absolutely murdered if the steel tariffs happen, and they are gearing up for 40% tariffs on foreign steel
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enraged_camel posted:To each his own I guess. I personally look forward to every day even more now. Seeing what kinds of stupid, horrible poo poo will happen next is pretty exciting. Watching the optimists cling on to hope is icing on the cake. Hey, if the world's gonna burn anyway, might as well unfold the lawnchair, pop open a cold one, kick back and enjoy the show while it lasts.
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Wark Say posted:Because following this clown car of an administration gets tiresome? Gotta learn to just... shut down this whole poo poo-sandwich for a while. Do what I do. Get angry. Channel that anger into work. I'm doing what I can today so tomorrow's fights I matter in. Powerless people don't get a say in dick. So I only read about politics when I'm completely exhausted and need to recharge the resolve.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Hey, if the world's gonna burn anyway, might as well unfold the lawnchair, pop open a cold one, kick back and enjoy the show while it lasts. But why enjoy the show from the audience when you could be on stage?
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, I was talking to my cousin tonight. He runs a big a steel plant (they don't make steel, they build stuff out of steel) in Houston, they had been doing tons of business in oil before the collapse of oil prices, and have recently switched to building racking for big box stores, and he is saying they expect to get absolutely murdered if the steel tariffs happen, and they are gearing up for 40% tariffs on foreign steel 40% steel tariffs will murder the entire economy.
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Wark Say posted:Read a book. Exercise. Play an instrument if you know. Unplug yourself for a while. It does a body good. This. And this is coming from one of the threads resident sad sacks. Please do some self care if you can.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Hey, if the world's gonna burn anyway, might as well unfold the lawnchair, pop open a cold one, kick back and enjoy the show while it lasts. yep. its why i am just focusing on family/friends and college and hobbies. might as well live life now and be happy before the economy imploades and entertainment media dies with it.
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, I was talking to my cousin tonight. He runs a big a steel plant (they don't make steel, they build stuff out of steel) in Houston, they had been doing tons of business in oil before the collapse of oil prices, and have recently switched to building racking for big box stores, and he is saying they expect to get absolutely murdered if the steel tariffs happen, and they are gearing up for 40% tariffs on foreign steel What the flying gently caress. That requires Congressional authorization. I think it unlikely.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I seriously need to tune out for a while, but I'm not really sure how to do that. I spent all day painting and listening to old records. it was wonderful and the room looks fantastic. lot more work to do tomorrow. way better than watching trump tweets.
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skylined! posted:I spent all day painting and listening to old records. it was wonderful and the room looks fantastic. lot more work to do tomorrow. sounds miserable
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Wark Say posted:Read a book. Exercise. Play an instrument if you know. Unplug yourself for a while. It does a body good. I'm just going to spend tomorrow going around to my area's Barnes and Nobles looking for Gundams so I can unplug and build plastic anime robots.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:loving hell.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He has a ~magic card~ in his pocket that can kill everyone on earth. What are the chances that Trump's dementia, his obsessive fixation on the media, and his immaturity all lead him to forget what the nuclear football does or even what it is? Maybe through sheer mind-boggling incompetence the world is saved from nuclear annihilation after all. 
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For real, it helps to actually do something. Donate money if that's all you can manage, but donating your time to local organizations (whatever they may be) and actually participating is far more rewarding. It's not helpful to stick your head in the sand and constantly pretend that everything is okay, but it is possible to meaningfully contribute. Half of the posters in this thread seem to resting on a knife's edge of anxiety and that's not healthy at all. Bad news shouldn't paralyze you.
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Mantis42 posted:That makes me feel the opposite of better! To be fair we've taken very bad care of the planet and should maybe consider getting out of the way of something that will take better care of it. And by that I mean "let's go poo poo up space instead."
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Paradoxish posted:For real, it helps to actually do something. Donate money if that's all you can manage, but donating your time to local organizations (whatever they may be) and actually participating is far more rewarding. It's not helpful to stick your head in the sand and constantly pretend that everything is okay, but it is possible to meaningfully contribute. Seriously your local Democratic party office could use some help.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:What the flying gently caress. What are the powers of the USTR?
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Paradoxish posted:Bad news shouldn't paralyze you. But it does for many people. Just shuts them right down. And that's not something wrong with them.
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There are apparently a few avenues for Trump to impose tariffs unilaterally, without Congress: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/trump-tariff-power/index.html quote:Trump could invoke the "Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917" to hit a nation with tariffs as high as he wants. Under the law, the president can restrict all types of trade "during time of war." That definition is very loose though. quote:Trump can also use the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. Ronald Reagan used this one. It allows Trump to slap targeted tariffs on certain industries, like steel. It's not as broad, but Trump can raise tariffs as high as he wants on specific things.
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Paradoxish posted:There are apparently a few avenues for Trump to impose tariffs unilaterally, without Congress: And 10 minutes later a veto proof bill shows up on his desk. I don't even think the HFC would even go for that.
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Mustached Demon posted:And 10 minutes later a veto proof bill shows up on his desk. I don't even think the HFC would even go for that. Tell them how pissed the left would be and they'd be right in line.
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TARDISman posted:Tell them how pissed the left would be and they'd be right in line. Tell them how pissed off Koch would be paying 40% more for steel.
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Mustached Demon posted:Tell them how pissed off Koch would be paying 40% more for steel. Charles just was interviewed by freaknomics... they would not be a fan of tariffs. They would also probably benefit from them. Not steel specifically but just the across the board general tariffs Bannon wants.
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Mustached Demon posted:And 10 minutes later a veto proof bill shows up on his desk. I don't even think the HFC would even go for that. You're probably right, but directly overriding something like this would be a major escalation. I'm not 100% sure that Congressional Republicans would be willing to burn down all their bridges with the Trump administration.
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BrandorKP posted:Charles just was interviewed by freaknomics... they would not be a fan of tariffs. They would also probably benefit from them. Not steel specifically but just the across the board general tariffs Bannon wants. How would they benefit from tariffs when they rely on raw materials being cheap?
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Paradoxish posted:You're probably right, but directly overriding something like this would be a major escalation. I'm not 100% sure that Congressional Republicans would be willing to burn down all their bridges with the Trump administration. If their donors say to burn Trump they're burning Trump.
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I don't think the kochs would benefit if the economy imploded instantly upon those tariffs being implemented On another note, Pruitt and DeVos have to go. They are a direct threat to the environment and human intellect. awesmoe posted:this is a really loving good counterweight to all those 'but what do all the poor trump voters think" https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.2f050879aec0
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The Glumslinger posted:Yeah, I was talking to my cousin tonight. He runs a big a steel plant (they don't make steel, they build stuff out of steel) in Houston, they had been doing tons of business in oil before the collapse of oil prices, and have recently switched to building racking for big box stores, and he is saying they expect to get absolutely murdered if the steel tariffs happen, and they are gearing up for 40% tariffs on foreign steel and how did the cousin vote? Or the guy you quoted and his parents? If they voted Donnie then gently caress them. Edit : BTW, any highlights from Donnie safespace/ security blanket? Heard he did another one. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Paradoxish posted:There are apparently a few avenues for Trump to impose tariffs unilaterally, without Congress:
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Mustached Demon posted:How would they benefit from tariffs when they rely on raw materials being cheap? They are in the energy business. They also are into every loving thing else you can think of. You likely buy Koch products. Hell if you are in a room with carpet you might be on a Koch product right now. They also make them here, mostly. He said they would benefit. The weight carries depends of if ones thinks they are liars or true believers.
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BrandorKP posted:They are in the energy business. They also are into every loving thing else you can think of. You likely buy Koch products. Hell if you are in a room with carpet you might be on a Koch product right now. They also make them here, mostly. He said they would benefit. Yeah they make nylon for instance. I'm trying to think how they'll benefit since so much raw material is foreign sourced. For those who want to argue with piss babies about tariffs: it'll be like quadrupling the minimum wage overnight.
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Mustached Demon posted:Yeah they make nylon for instance. I'm trying to think how they'll benefit since so much raw material is foreign sourced. They are involved with many of the raw material too. I have personally seen that.
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This has probably been posted six times already but I'm not checking because I don't care, it owns (play with sound, Stone Cold's music hitting and the pop make it) https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/881533437148098560
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no clue if this was posted earlier, but NJ is in the middle of a government shutdown, so our beaches are closed. Except for Christie, apparently https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/881644628172300288
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BrandorKP posted:They are involved with many of the raw material too. I have personally seen that. Do you work for a Koch company or something? That's a good way to get a guillotine fast pass, mister!! Really the tariff thing will only bring about Great Depression 2.5: The Cheeto Collapse.
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enraged_camel posted:sounds miserable 
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Carlosologist posted:no clue if this was posted earlier, but NJ is in the middle of a government shutdown, so our beaches are closed. Except for Christie, apparently Makes sense that they had to clear off the beach because of the dying whale.
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Carlosologist posted:no clue if this was posted earlier, but NJ is in the middle of a government shutdown, so our beaches are closed. Except for Christie, apparently
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Carlosologist posted:no clue if this was posted earlier, but NJ is in the middle of a government shutdown, so our beaches are closed. Except for Christie, apparently he knows it's physically impossible for us to hate him any more then we already do, so why not?
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