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foolish_fool posted:I don't really understand how following the instructions of a committee chosen by some people sufficiently adept at game-playing as to become delegates at some meeting is any more democratic in practice than just following your conscience. the committee is democratically elected from and of the membership of the party, to express the views of the membership of the party. The power flows up, not down. foolish_fool posted:And even if they truly polled the membership, presumably the questions asked would have a big impact on the result. "Do you support the original gonski?" might be the question asked with an obvious unanimous answer, but "when the optimal policy is impossible, should you hold out for impossible perfection or negotiate for the best possible outcome?" is very different. yes the phrasing of questions has a very strong influence on the outcome of opinion polling, well done. let's try another couple: "If the government of the day is attempting to pass bad legislation, and they can do it without your assistance by negotiating with other parties, should you attempt to negotiate anyway?" "If offered a poo poo sandwich, should you refuse or ask for tomato sauce?"* *please note that other people at the table are asking for extra poo poo, and the kitchen is only making one type of sandwich.
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Jul 3, 2017 05:11
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only the poor ones!
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Here we go lads. Bakers Delight and other retailers paid to take interns under new welfare program Young Australians who receive welfare payments could undertake internships for businesses such as Bakers Delight as part of a new deal announced by the prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull. On Monday Turnbull and the employment minister, Michaelia Cash, announced that the government, in partnership with the Australian Retailers Association, is broadening its PaTh program, first introduced in the 2016 budget. Under the scheme the government will pay businesses $1,000 to take on young, unemployed people as interns for up to 12 weeks. The young jobseekers working as interns would receive $200 on top of their fortnightly welfare. “The program we are undertaking is bringing young Australians into the workforce,” Turnbull said. He added, “120,000 over four years will get the opportunity to get some prework training and then get an internship that will set them on the pathway to fulltime employment.” The program will apply to Australians aged between 15 and 24 who are seeking employment, which the government says will help curb the increasingly high youth unemployment rate in Australia. A recent report found that almost one-third of Australian young people are unemployed or underemployed. But the president of the Australian Council for Trade Unions, Ged Kearney, said the program was a “kick in the guts” for working Australia. At a press conference on Monday she said the program provided a “perverse incentive to not offer young people a job”. Some retailers, including Bakers Delight and Coffee Club, have already agreed to participate in the program and take on interns. Industrial relations is becoming an increasingly strong focus for both the government and the Labor party. The Fair Work Commission’s cuts to some penalty rates in the retail and hospitality sector, which came into force over the weekend, has drawn heavy criticism from trade unions. Turnbull has supported the commission’s decision, saying it would be “reckless” for parliament to set penalty rates. The opposition leader, Bill Shorten, has committed to reinstating penalty rates if the Labor party forms government at the next election. The policy director at Interns Australia, Clara Jordan-Baird, said the proposal risked normalising internship culture in the retail sector. “My first job was at Bakers Delight. I didn’t need to do unpaid work experience for 12 weeks to learn how to do it. Nobody needs to. After a short period, you are performing productive work and deserve to be paid for it as an employee. “It shouldn’t be normal to pop into your local Coffee Club and see an ‘intern’ waitress working for free.” 200 dollars a fortnight in exchange for working for free.
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thatbastardken posted:the committee is democratically elected from and of the membership of the party, to express the views of the membership of the party. The power flows up, not down. It doesn't sound much more than nominally democratic, at least as Rhiannon explained it. Probably I'm just incompetent as a party member but if they had a similar committee in the states I have been in it isn't clear to me that such a committee would reflect my opinion or even have any way of knowing it one way or the other. quote:"If the government of the day is attempting to pass bad legislation, and they can do it without your assistance by negotiating with other parties, should you attempt to negotiate anyway?" foolish_fool fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 05:30
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You should not make yourself complicit in passing bad legislation because of some misguided sense of pragmatism. The Australian parliament is not a place where people get together and negotiate in good faith to achieve consensus and good outcomes for all.
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Jul 3, 2017 05:38
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The Victorian Government have made Ted Baillieu the head of a commission investigating cladding on buildings after the Grenfell fire disaster. So I guess the government aren't in a hurry for a result since they hired Do Nothing Ted.
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Jul 3, 2017 05:44
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Hey Kid wanna work at Bakers Delight for free?
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Jul 3, 2017 05:56
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Anidav posted:Hey Kid wanna work at Bakers Delight for free? Hey, isn't it 2.63 an hour more than not working? Sounds like a training bargain!
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Jul 3, 2017 05:57
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https://twitter.com/justinfabo/status/881731273986777088 https://twitter.com/justinfabo/status/881734596823470080 Something about killing all boomers
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Jul 3, 2017 06:02
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open24hours posted:You should not make yourself complicit in passing bad legislation because of some misguided sense of pragmatism. The Australian parliament is not a place where people get together and negotiate in good faith to achieve consensus and good outcomes for all. Right, you absolutely vote no if you can't get to a good result. But you should at least try, and it seems to work at times (like the Senate voting reforms, or earlier than that bits of the Gillard gov).
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Jul 3, 2017 06:03
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foolish_fool posted:It doesn't sound much more than nominally democratic, at least as Rhiannon explained it. Probably I'm just incompetent as a party member but if they had a similar committee in the states I have been in it isn't clear to me that such a committee would reflect my opinion or even have any way of knowing it one way or the other. direct democracy doesn't work because the power flowing upwards only occurs within an ideal party ..or something
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Jul 3, 2017 06:04
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Anidav posted:200 dollars a fortnight in exchange for working for free. Don't forget - the company gets $1000. Zenithe posted:This is a loving joke right? Don't you work at Coles Express? I have a niece who works there and she told me just a few weeks ago that the company's been quietly getting rid of all their casual staff over the last six months and leaving almost all their stores really understaffed. Some stores only have four or five staff which is insane for stores open 7 days a week from 5 am to midnight. I have to wonder if they knew this was coming. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 06:27
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1000 year ALP reich based on ditching this and penalty rate fuckery. But we're in the darkest timeline so that won't happen anyway.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:31
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Remember how the head of the Reserve Bank said wage growth was not high enough and it was causing problems with the economy? Guess who's staff are getting a sub-inflation rate pay rise [ABC]
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Jul 3, 2017 06:34
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So Australia is basically adopting Canada's Temporary Foreign Worker program and removing the foreign part of it? Also I was under the impression your minimum wage was tied to inflation. Is that no longer the case?
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Jul 3, 2017 06:40
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ABC posted:Indigenous girls skipping school, stealing during menstruation due to cost, embarrassment How's the drinking water situation in schools .... HOLY gently caress WE'RE TREATING YOUNG ABORIGINAL WOMEN LIKE ABSOLUTE poo poo JUST FOR GROWING UP
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Jul 3, 2017 06:41
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Furnaceface posted:So Australia is basically adopting Canada's Temporary Foreign Worker program and removing the foreign part of it? Fair Work are supposed to take a range of things into account when they're setting it, including living standards, so it shouldn't get too out of step with inflation, but it's not indexed.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:45
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Is anyone going to beg the question around these internships (at Baker's delight rofl) being less efficient than just having the worker get paid, generate tax revenue and also spend creating GST revenue? It seems easier to give payroll concessions to small business, get people out of Centrelink treadmills and also make more revenue than run whatever this Frankenstein is meant to be. Ah wait I wrote all that poo poo then realised it's not meant to help the worker or the country at large. My mistake.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:46
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It really does look like they're just trying to burn everything down and salt the earth because they know they're done next election. They've got a year so they need to get busy. ------------------------------------------------ Tanya Plibersek will not back NSW Labor motion to recognise Palestine [Guardian]
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Jul 3, 2017 06:51
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Look if Sally Student isn't agile enough to make my bread for free the maybe she should look elsewhere like baking my bread for 90 cents on Airtasker.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:51
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Bogan King posted:I figured the bads were about even and the real differences were we have better beaches vs Canada having better snow + poutine. Nah, Australia is definitely worse. And it's not just me feeling homesick, my husband is like "gently caress that I'm never moving back to Australia, Canada is a way better country in almost every single way" and can't wait to get his citizenship.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:52
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Yeah but if America's economy crashes so will Canadas due to all those Nafta trade deals. Meanwhile Australia can choose to be the trade bitch of the highest bidder because we went from an island of convicts to an island of whores. My breasts.
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Jul 3, 2017 06:54
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When you think about it, Australia is pretty lewd senpai
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Jul 3, 2017 06:56
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Anidav posted:Look if Sally Student isn't agile enough to make my bread for free the maybe she should look elsewhere like baking my bread for 90 cents on Airtasker. gently caress. I use airtasker for some stuff and nut out fair price per hour and material they might use. Then I have people bounce back immediately offering to do the job for half what I've advertised, volunteering to work for like $10 an hour. E: like I got a dude to clean my balcony because I don't have the chemicals and would do a poo poo job. I advertised for $110 thinking it was a 3 hour job max and I had a guy offer to do it for $50 bringing his cleaning poo poo. The guy that did it was done in 2.5 hours, did a good job and took the $110 which I think is fair. JBP fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 06:59
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Delusional man spewing incoherent statements in Canberra, more as news developsquote:Turnbull confident he will be PM for 'very long time'
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Jul 3, 2017 07:02
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Lord-Tyrant Turnbull incoming.
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Jul 3, 2017 07:03
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Anidav posted:Yeah but if America's economy crashes so will Canadas due to all those Nafta trade deals. Canada's economy is hosed right now regardless of what America does hahaha. Like, it could not be more of a house-of-cards situation and it's not going to be pretty when it comes crashing down.
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Jul 3, 2017 07:03
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Gorilla Salad posted:
Yes. It's not that they are getting rid of casuals because staff cuts, it's actually worse than that. A lot of stores recently stopped being open 24 hours, and now close between midnight and 5AM. Because of this, everyone who was doing graveyard shifts was out of a job. This is of course a problem if they are full or part time, as they are required to be given hours. The "solution" was to fire casuals and shuffle in people they grudgingly have to give work to. Our place was lucky enough to remain never close, and we have seven staff who man the store.
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Jul 3, 2017 07:05
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quote:Deputy Labor leader says she will stick with federal parliamentary party position ‘on recognition of a two-state solution’ look, we recognise a two state solution, and we already recognise one of the states, but it's vitally important that we don't recognise the other state.
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Jul 3, 2017 07:55
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Job agency update: Gave them a medical certificate last week excusing me from my appointment today. Just received a message from them saying my Newstart has been suspended for missing the appointment and to call them immediately. Rang them and was told to call back tomorrow because they've locked the filing cabinets and are about to go home.
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Jul 3, 2017 08:07
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snoremac posted:Job agency update: Gave them a medical certificate last week excusing me from my appointment today. Just received a message from them saying my Newstart has been suspended for missing the appointment and to call them immediately. Rang them and was told to call back tomorrow because they've locked the filing cabinets and are about to go home. loving incredible.
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Jul 3, 2017 08:11
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burn down the job network burn down the governments http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/its-a-national-disgrace-federal-government-slammed-on-prrt-20170702-gx2vuh.html
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quote:Australia is set to eclipse Qatar as the largest exporter of gas in the world by 2020 but will receive just a fraction of the revenue, $800 million compared to Qatar's $26.6 billion, under the current arrangements. We really need to redefine what corruption is so our politicians can be arrested for this poo poo.
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Jul 3, 2017 08:20
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open24hours posted:We really need to redefine what corruption is so our politicians can be arrested for this poo poo. let's ask Andrew Robb or Ian Macfarlane to head up the investigation starkebn fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 08:21
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Government builds social housing and then lets it sit empty long enough that it gets trashed and becomes unliveable [ABC]
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Jul 3, 2017 08:34
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Anidav posted:Here we go lads. Automation threat? No problem, we'll prevent robots doing those jobs with literal slave labor  In fact we'll pay employers not to actually hire people.  Young people are getting so hosed.
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Jul 3, 2017 09:11
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Can we call in the Queen to fire all these chucklefucks in parliament? She still can right?
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The governor general has that power on her behalf but I think that delegation of duty means she doesn't have the right to do it herself anymore. Could be wrong but I think she's all figurehead at this point
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