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Floppychop posted:Stormboys are a neat kit, but obscenely expensive, even by GW standards. $25 for 5 models that you field in units of 30 is too rich for my blood. If you can find it, Da Vulcha Skwad is 15 Stormboys and Boss Zagstruk for $70, last I looked. That's not too bad when 15 stormboys would be $75 alone.
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The Bee posted:Honestly? I might just recommend another Start Collecting box. More troops can always be useful, and you could build one set as Rangers and the other as Vanguard to make them more unique. From reading the data sheet, the Dunecrawler should have a decent amount of options to build two of, too, and a second Dominus should help keep your troops healed rather consistently. A second (or even third) start collecting box is really a good deal. It also gives you more special weapon bits since GW is loving awful about only giving you one of each per Ranger/Vanguard kit. Belisarius Cawl is nearly an auto-include as he lets you modify your Canticles roll result. The Onagers don't increase in strength quite like they did in 7th, but having at least two in range of each other still buffs their saves. Ironstriders are definitely neat looking but dollars to points on them is kind of rough. Kastelans are very shooty and let you throw down handfuls of dice to hit stuff. Sicarians or Electropriests cover the melee game although getting the latter there without AdMech transport options takes some finesse.
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Lobster God posted:Can anyone recommend a decent load out for a jump pack Death Company squad? General consensus is to go with Fists or Thunder hammers. No reason not to do Thunderhammers at all but fists let you at least have some shooty too. Axes are okay but you're hurting against high toughness models at that point (but for 5 points, it's super cheap). Chainswords help because you have 2 attacks and can get that extra chainsword attack in there for 3 base attacks (2 from sword, 1 from fist) to 4 total without buffs. Plasma Pistols are also a thing to look at if you want more shooty. Avoid inferno pistols as they are garbage at 20 points. Should honestly be 10-12 points due to range. Basically useless after you jump pack assault. Slightly okay if you happen to be in combat already.
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Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: Yncarne Yvraine Farseer Maugan Ra 3 beastmasters 5 kabalites 149 Razorwing flocks  8th edition ladies and gents.
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Speaking of admech, I'm planning to make that one of my next purchases. Pretty happy with where my marines are, other than maybe a land speeder I think I'm done buying models for them. Haven't decided if I'm going to go for them or nurgle as my next army. Me and my friends are going to split a triumvirate and I'm getting cawl. Was going to then get 2 start collecting boxes and go from there. Using every model from the two boxes puts me a good way towards the army, I'd just need to get the destroyers and I can field a battallion. Battallion: Bellisarius Cawl Techpriest with volkite and phosphor serpenta 10 vanguard with arc rifle and 2 plasma calivers 10 rangers with arc rifle and 2 transuranic arquebuses 3 kataphron destroyers with heavy grav cannons, cognis flamer, 2 phosphor blasters 5 Sicarian infiltrators, leader with power sword and rest with taser goads 5 Ruststalkers, razors and chordclaws, blades and chordclaws on the leader Datasmith Ironstrider with autocannons Ironstrider with lascannons Spearhead detachment Dominus with volkite and serpenta 2 kastellans with 3x heavy phosphor blasters Onager with icarus array Onager with neutron laser
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: 
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: Time to load up on LR Punishers.
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40k still a poo poo fest in tournaments?  I'm coming back to it for the fun times with mates who aren't going to drop $1000 to win a game. Stuff like that is good to remind me to stay away from tournies.
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: Detachment limits seem rather important for tourneys. Without them there's nothing really stopping me from taking THE ENTIRE ASTRONOMICON (133 Astropaths) And you can even have command points if you take it in Vanguard detachments: 15 command points 15 Primaris Psykers 2 Commissars 103 Astropaths
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chutche2 posted:Speaking of admech, I'm planning to make that one of my next purchases. Pretty happy with where my marines are, other than maybe a land speeder I think I'm done buying models for them. Haven't decided if I'm going to go for them or nurgle as my next army. That's a pretty solid list. You might even want to get a second box of Kastelans. They're really good at holding poo poo down. I need to pick up two boxes myself.
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Zuul the Cat posted:That's a pretty solid list. You might even want to get a second box of Kastelans. They're really good at holding poo poo down. I need to pick up two boxes myself. Yeah kastelans look really cool. Super expensive though, even dropping both sicarian units I couldn't fit in 2 more kastelans. Edit: Actually it looks like I could fit 2 more shooty kastellans if I dropped them both and have like 10 points over since my sicarians have upgrades.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I really don't like the look of the Kataphron. The whole body structure being up front just makes them feel imbalanced to me.
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The Bee posted:Probably an unpopular opinion, but I really don't like the look of the Kataphron. The whole body structure being up front just makes them feel imbalanced to me. I love the look of breachers, not a fan of how destroyers look. But breachers have poo poo guns. Really if I give them the breacher torso but the arms of destroyers no one will probably notice. I love the breacher torso. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 16:12
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: I could not have seen this coming. Not with this, the best 40K ruleset ever.
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The Bee posted:Probably an unpopular opinion, but I really don't like the look of the Kataphron. The whole body structure being up front just makes them feel imbalanced to me. This is a terrible opinion. Now that Chainswords get you a bunch of extra attacks, what are the odds Primaris will get some? They're as iconic as the bolter, and I can't imagine they wouldn't make an assault squad of Primaris with chainswords.
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:I could not have seen this coming. Not with this, the best 40K ruleset ever. The rulebook suggests limits on detachments for tournaments, I suspect we will see those enforced going forward.
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We're going to keep seeing weird armies like that do well as the meta settles out. I think every tournament winning list I've seen so far has just spammed a single unit which is obviously not going to viable in the long term. I mean let's be honest here, flooding the board with T2 bodies, however fast, is hardly an unbeatable strategy.
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So I have a philosophical question for you guys. I put together a list that I thought was both fluffy and pretty powerful, and at least based on the four games that I've played it's decidedly un-fun for my opponent: 2x Warboss Bikers w/ Klaws 1x Weirdboy w/ Da Jump 3x 20 Slugga Boyz w/ PK Nob 1x 30 Shoota Boyz w/ PK Nob & 3 Big Shootas 3x Battlewagons w/ Big Shoota, Deff Rolla, 'Ard Case The problem is that they get in my opponent's face at turn 2 at the latest, and often turn 1 with the 30 boyz teleporting in. Anything designed to shoot tends to get locked up in close combat, and then by turn 2 the battlewagons hit and start to really mess things up. While it's not as obviously gimmicky as a flyer spam or that razorwing flock army, it's been pretty rough on my friends. So I'm curious; what's your philosophy regarding lists like this? Is it not casual enough? Would I be better off trying something else (I did buy a bunch of Primaris) and then holding off on the Orks? It's not like my opponents are rude about it or anything. We're all learning the game and just want to have fun. But it's clear they're not enjoying themselves and I'd rather they did. So what's your philosophy on stuff like this?
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That's about as fluffy and straightforward an ork list as anyone could ever make. If that list is a dick move then I don't know what ork players are even supposed to bring to be nice guys.
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I need the biggest space marine you have... No that's too big.
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TKIY posted:149 Razorwing flocks Now I feel guilty. For the game I have arranged tonight my gimmicky list is a swarm of ~150 bodies with a bunch of Broodlords, Primes & Malanthropes to steer them around. After getting pasted by mass lascannons last week I'm kinda looking forward to any heavy weapons having nothing but gaunts to shoot at.
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:I could not have seen this coming. Not with this, the best 40K ruleset ever. This is the game you asked for!
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I would say it's something you need to have a conversation with your friends about. I personally wouldn't have any issues playing against a list like that in a friendly game, but I'm not the one you're playing with. Basically my philosophy for friendly games is that it's important for players to have some sort of communication about what they're bringing and the sort of game they're hoping to play. If these are your friends that you're playing with it doesn't matter at all how objectively strong (or not) the list you take is- what matters is that they're able to spend any enjoyable afternoon with you slamming hams and only they will be able to tell you if your list has been affecting that
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So what's your philosophy on stuff like this? If you keep stomping your friends with a list you either need to change your list up to include less powerful parts, like no teleporting or something, or play another army. I have a necron army i havent played in 4 years because it just kept destroying all my friends and they werent enjoying playing the game with me becauss of it. Once your friends figure out something that works better and has beat you a few times then bust back out that list and see whats what. I am sadly having the same issue with my Nids hordes list, they are 4-0 and I dont plan on playing them for a month or so till my friends figure out their armies a little more.
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Would you mind elaborating on your friends' armies? That's a though list but It doesn't seem too beardy. When someone in my friend group stumbles across a really strong list we will talk through what they think might counter it/what they are scared of coming up against. If nobody can beat the list and it isn't fun to play against then you might as well switch it up outside of competitive play. Or you could try giving your opponents some extra points or something. My first impression is that they should try and get good though. Some people just haven't adjusted to the new 8th edition turn 2 assault meta.
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Ayn Marx posted:This is the game you asked for! Stop trying to make that a thing!
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If your friends have tried different stuff and just can't crack that list, then sure change it up. You may just be a better player than them and need to help them catch up. Or you happened upon a good 8th list before they did. People adjust at different speeds. If they got beat and threw their hands up and said ITS IMPOSSIBLE without trying, then they need to git gud.
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So my friend with all the dreadnoughts is working on converting some of his venerables to venerable chaplains. Then he can run this list: Vanguard Chaplain dread with inferno cannon, DCCW + heavy flamer Contemptor with multimelta Contemptor with kheres Relic contemptor with kheres, chainfist with plasma blastgun Mortis with twin autocannon Leviathan with siege drill and grav bombard Vanguard Chaplain dread with inferno cannon, DCCW + heavy flamer Contemptor with multimelta Ven dread with missile + twin lascannon Ven dread with missile + twin lascannon I'm kind of terrified LC+MM stormraven will help though. Can't punch me now fuckers Though even with supersonic he's got a 3+ to hit me with lascannons unless he moves chutche2 fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: Godspeed, bird army. 
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JesusIsTehCool posted:If you keep stomping your friends with a list you either need to change your list up to include less powerful parts, like no teleporting or something, or play another army. I have a necron army i havent played in 4 years because it just kept destroying all my friends and they werent enjoying playing the game with me becauss of it. We need to play a game soon dude. I'll hit you up - I'm looking free next Saturday.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:2x Warboss Bikers w/ Klaws Heh. This would have been a bad Ork list before 8th.
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Safety Factor posted:Hahaha. People at my store came up with this same list as an idiotic idea of what someone could run in 8th. We didn't think it would actually be used. Imagine owning 149 razorwing flocks. He used proxies: https://zombicide.com/en/pg/murder-of-crows-black-plague/
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Maybe try mission types and terrain distributions that favor their armies over your armies? A city map with narrow roads to serve as gunlines and lots of cover could be useful.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:2x Warboss Bikers w/ Klaws Slightly besides the point of your post, but why 3x 20 boyz over 2x 30? Did you not lose the extra attack bonus really quickly?
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Tiger Millionaire posted:Slightly besides the point of your post, but why 3x 20 boyz over 2x 30? Did you not lose the extra attack bonus really quickly? Because they go in Battlewagons... The extra attack is a nice to have feature that sometimes matters in footslogging mobz of 30, but it's actually a pretty small part of their value.
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TKIY posted:He used proxies: https://zombicide.com/en/pg/murder-of-crows-black-plague/ Whose army is it? Beer4TheBeerGod posted:So I have a philosophical question for you guys. I put together a list that I thought was both fluffy and pretty powerful, and at least based on the four games that I've played it's decidedly un-fun for my opponent: Your friends just kind of suck. That's tough to see across the board, but I'm confident I could handle it.
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Corrode posted:Whose army is it? Dunno, just some guys. I got the link off a local FB players group.
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WhiteWolf123 posted:Because they go in Battlewagons... The funny thing is that with the teleporting I would probably be better off making the unit of 30 slugga boyz instead of shoota boyz, but those are the models I have. Ork shooting is really uninspiring.
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TKIY posted:Some guy just went 5-0 in a UK GT with this list: Hahaha this owns! I'd fight it.
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