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WaltherFeng posted:So the grumpy grandpas where right when "Errding was better in my days" For white people. Minority boomers were turbo hosed all along. But generation talk is always implicitly about white people.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It feels weird when people complain about college not being "worth it", like I'm college educated and absolutely I feel it's super obvious that that doesn't give me anywhere near the buying power my parents had and that is a super real problem. But when I talk to people my age without college educations (who aren't in some unique situation like owning their own business or doing unique skilled trade) it seems like their finances are literally on fire at all times and they are going to die irl from it at any minute. You're not wrong on this as on the average people with a degree are considerably more likely to reach some sort of financial stability. The real issue is that we have a massive need for sub associates degree level workforce development education that barely exists in todays higher education environment.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:43
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It's funny professors will often say stuff like "these three courses will be 99% of what you use in the workforce"
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Jul 4, 2017 15:46
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Arglebargle III posted:It's funny professors will often say stuff like "these three courses will be 99% of what you use in the workforce" Because things build. I struggled with Calc courses and some physics and chemistry courses in college because in eigth grade I hosed around a lot and never really learned algebra. None of those courses were all that useful to me as a Finance major until years later when I could understand the why/how certain things might work and could speak intelligently to them in a job completely unrelated to finance. Boon fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 15:53
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Boon posted:Because things build. I struggled with Calc courses and some physics and chemistry courses in college because in eigth grade I hosed around a lot and never really learned algebra. Oh hi there me! I didn't gently caress a lot, but I was sick the day they did the tests to determine which math class you should be in. So I got put in average math, and never got to take Pre-Calc in high school, PLUS I was so good at average math I assumed it would carry over when I got to college. Come to college, a computer science degree requires 4 calc classes, and I fill miserably having not been prepared and assuming it would be as easy as the math I'd been taking.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:02
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Charliegrs posted:It's funny how the boomers don't seem to pine for the good ol days of union jobs. They conveniently forget that part about the relative prosperity they enjoyed when they were raising a family with 1 income. that's why the whole make america great again is so loving transparent. he aint pining for unions and a 90 percent tax bracket.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:04
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Nosfereefer posted:North Korea is not just gonna nuke New York for shits and giggles. the US is so completely safe from foreign threat that americans will completely lose their minds about the slightest possibility of an actual threat i remember lunchroom conversations in public school when the first gulf war was going on, and how some teen boys were completely convinced iraqi jets were going to come screaming out of the blue any second to bomb the nearby dam nobody outside the us has ever heard of
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Jul 4, 2017 16:11
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North Korea has the capability to completely destabilize the largest and most prosperous region of the world in which the US currently has 5 of its 7 defense treaties. It's worth getting excited over.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:15
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Medullah posted:Oh hi there me! I didn't gently caress a lot, but I was sick the day they did the tests to determine which math class you should be in. So I got put in average math, and never got to take Pre-Calc in high school, PLUS I was so good at average math I assumed it would carry over when I got to college. Come to college, a computer science degree requires 4 calc classes, and I fill miserably having not been prepared and assuming it would be as easy as the math I'd been taking. But the question that comes out of this is do you really need four levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:16
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It feels weird when people complain about college not being "worth it", like I'm college educated and absolutely I feel it's super obvious that that doesn't give me anywhere near the buying power my parents had and that is a super real problem. But when I talk to people my age without college educations (who aren't in some unique situation like owning their own business or doing unique skilled trade) it seems like their finances are literally on fire at all times and they are going to die irl from it at any minute. College is a privilege that employers treat as a right if that makes any sense. The way it's treated at least in the US is hosed up.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:18
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Someone write a browser extension that replaces "millennials" with "kids these days."
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Jul 4, 2017 16:19
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SpaceCadetBob posted:But the question that comes out of this is do you really need for levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less. Because the entire institution of higher education was designed to be a broad form of education, not a place to quickly acquire a practical skillset. There's a reason only the wealthy used to attend. It's only recently that it's been co-opted as an employment training center. At the very least, it'd require a ground up restructuring of a system with hundreds of years of culture and ingrained ways of doing things. And that's not even mentioning whether or not colleges and universities should be used in that manner.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:But the question that comes out of this is do you really need four levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less. I'm glad you asked, because the second part of that story is I couldn't handle the cost of college and dropped out to work at Geek Squad. A few years later I went back to community college and got a basic networking certificate. Now I'm a manager at a pretty well respected tech company, and honestly I learned more applicable knowledge at Geek Squad and Best Buy manager training than I did in any college class.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:23
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Faustian Bargain posted:Someone write a browser extension that replaces "millennials" with "kids these days." I preferred the one that replaced it with "snake people."
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Jul 4, 2017 16:23
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kim jong un isn't going to do anything that would cause him to lose power. the last time any of the kims did something like that he had the ok from one of the two superpowers.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:28
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Faustian Bargain posted:Someone write a browser extension that replaces "millennials" with "kids these days." The target audience of "Millennial" articles is... Millennials. They're a way to turn a millenial's outrage into cash. It is a good business model.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:29
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SpaceCadetBob posted:But the question that comes out of this is do you really need four levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less. I use all kinds of math I learned getting my computer science degree, and wish I took even more math classes v  v
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Jul 4, 2017 16:31
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gently caress SNEEP posted:I use all kinds of math I learned getting my computer science degree, and wish I took even more math classes v math is for nerds
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Jul 4, 2017 16:54
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SpaceCadetBob posted:But the question that comes out of this is do you really need four levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less. Instead of looking to cut cost by limiting what a person can learn why don't we just subsidize higher learning completely. When you step back and look at it isn't it kind of hosed that instead of looking at it as our populace getting more intelligent and knowledgeable from higher education we're talking about trimming out courses to better fit them into a job and save money rather then their growth as a person?
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Instead of looking to cut cost by limiting what a person can learn why don't we just subsidize higher learning completely. When you step back and look at it isn't it kind of hosed that instead of looking at it as our populace getting more intelligent and knowledgeable from higher education we're talking about trimming out courses to better fit them into a job and save money rather then their growth as a person? Maybe, but there are other "costs" involved than just dollars. There is the literal hours wasted requiring someone to learn some crazy rear end math theory that they will never need. There is the cost of failure when perhaps a person doesn't have the will or the capacity to learn said useless math, suddenly not getting the degree. Im not remotely against higher education offering as much potential opportunities as possible, but we need more granularity in the system to meet the needs of a diverse population. SpaceCadetBob fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Here's an idea: maybe education is actually good and instead of telling people to get less of it we should use government to make it more affordable. I know that's a 20th century solution not endorsed by our hip entrepreneurial disrupter generation but bear with me.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:But the question that comes out of this is do you really need four levels of calculus to be successful in a generic computer science field? How much could we reduce the cost of higher education if all the fat of a bachelors degree was cut out, and people who just need some basic skills education in that field to be more employable could get it in a year or less. The trick is that computer science is not programming. Your average dev isn't using any of the skills a real CS degree is supposed to impart. Development is a prereq to real CS work, but jobs that require it are fairly rare.
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Ogmius815 posted:Here's an idea: maybe education is actually good and instead of telling people to get less of it we should use government to make it more affordable. I know that's a 20th century solution not endorsed by our hip entrepreneurial disrupter generation but bear with me. Don't need no fancy education to dig coal!
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Jul 4, 2017 17:08
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I think the problem isn't calculus and "esoteric" math, but rather the weird labeling of things like finance as academic disciplines that are better served in, like, bootcamp or professional training settings instead of universities. Decoupling them isnt an option, since business degrees make up an extremely large proportion of overall enrollment, though, and universities rely on that income.
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Ogmius815 posted:Here's an idea: maybe education is actually good and instead of telling people to get less of it we should use government to make it more affordable. I know that's a 20th century solution not endorsed by our hip entrepreneurial disrupter generation but bear with me. Be careful in how you phrase that. For 40 years more affordable meant spreading the payments out over a lifetime via public and private loans. If you mean cheaper, say cheaper.
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Jul 4, 2017 17:15
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https://twitter.com/joelcifer/status/881588022831173632
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Jul 4, 2017 17:22
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Is he plagiarizing Bane from "The Dark Knight Rises" again?
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Jul 4, 2017 17:27
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Saros posted:Anti-ballistic missiles are pretty metal. My favorite is the one where the US built the silo doors full of explosives because reaction times had to be measured in fractions of a second and the chance that you could take whole seconds to open a silo door simply wasn't acceptable. I like how these are themselves tiny nukes... not to blow up the incoming nukes, per se, but just disable their electronics with the radiation blast. Fairly clever, since the radiation they're relying on frying the incoming missile isn't limited by the speed of conventional explosives. Of course, there is that pesky "we airbursted a tiny warhead near our own city" problem and all that comes with that... Owlofcreamcheese posted:It feels weird when people complain about college not being "worth it", like I'm college educated and absolutely I feel it's super obvious that that doesn't give me anywhere near the buying power my parents had and that is a super real problem. But when I talk to people my age without college educations (who aren't in some unique situation like owning their own business or doing unique skilled trade) it seems like their finances are literally on fire at all times and they are going to die irl from it at any minute. Doesn't even have to be a "unique" skilled trade. Lots of demand for plumbers, electricians, etc.
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The new Governor of Missouri just lowered the minimum wage from $10 to $7.70. 52% of people making $10 or less (salary) voted for him in 2016. lol http://fox2now.com/2017/06/30/greitens-to-let-repeal-of-st-louis-minimum-become-law/
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Jul 4, 2017 17:31
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There is not a ton of demand for plumbers and electricians and any of the other trades, stop repeating that asinine meme.
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I can't write papers so I'm an idiot doomed to a lifetime of mediocrity.
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Medullah posted:Oh hi there me! I didn't gently caress a lot, but I was sick the day they did the tests to determine which math class you should be in. So I got put in average math, and never got to take Pre-Calc in high school, PLUS I was so good at average math I assumed it would carry over when I got to college. Come to college, a computer science degree requires 4 calc classes, and I fill miserably having not been prepared and assuming it would be as easy as the math I'd been taking. Yikes, how bad was your high-school if the average math didn't offer precalc in senior year? gently caress SNEEP posted:I use all kinds of math I learned getting my computer science degree, and wish I took even more math classes v I think a lot of CS programs could go with requiring a good probability & statistics class (maybe in place of diff eq). Actually, pretty much all programs could go with requiring a good probability class, but I don't know if everyone has the background for that.
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mynnna posted:I like how these are themselves tiny nukes... not to blow up the incoming nukes, per se, but just disable their electronics with the radiation blast. Fairly clever, since the radiation they're relying on frying the incoming missile isn't limited by the speed of conventional explosives. Russia still follows this concept. That A-135 ABM system near Moscow is just that, short range airburst nuclear missiles, each with a yield of 10kt. If they're ever was a malfunction at that site, Russia would literally bomb itself back into the Stone Age.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The new Governor of Missouri just lowered the minimum wage from $10 to $7.70. And everyone of them will vote for him again. "Well yeah, he's fuckin' us real hard right in the bumhole but he says he'll use lube next time and he also promises to do something about all the negroes on the other side of the tracks that I have all this economic anxiety about"
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OddObserver posted:Yikes, how bad was your high-school if the average math didn't offer precalc in senior year? Actually I take that back, we got Pre-Calc the 2nd half of senior year. Which wasn't enough. And had I tested properly I'm pretty sure I should have been a year ahead, and our school offered full calculus for advanced math. Looking back my parents should have done something earlier, because I was in AP everything else yet standard math, with an A every single semester. I, as a kid, was just happy to have a class that was easy for me.
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pillsburysoldier posted:I think the problem isn't calculus and "esoteric" math, but rather the weird labeling of things like finance as academic disciplines that are better served in, like, bootcamp or professional training settings instead of universities.  What a dumb opinion.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f9e9c&tid=sm_twquote:Bradley Ledgerwood, 36, is a proud Republican and an enthusiastic fan of President Trump. People like this make an extremely strong case for supporting the AHCA, only so it will innoculate the 2018 and 2020 elections from any possibility the GOP will hold on to any of the branches of government. loving lol though
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namaste faggots posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f9e9c&tid=sm_tw He's not willing to abandon Trump until gently caress You Got Mine turns to gently caress You Had Mine.
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"I'm actively and currently fighting to survive against the life-threatening policies of this administration, but until I actually lose or whatever, I'm still gonna support everything they do. gently caress everyone else though. Just gotta get mine."
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