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Yossarian-22 posted:Stalin also ruled Russia for 30 years, and a lot of the higher estimates count Russians who died to Nazi invasion as literal Stalin victims Grover Furr's estimates aren't that terrible, but he literally believes that Stalin Did Nothing Wrong, so everyone who died either a) had it coming, or b) was killed by a nefarious conspiracy of Stalin's underlings to undermine communist rule in the USSR, and sainted Stalin had nothing to do with it and surely would have stopped it if only he had known. The tldr for this piece on the Great Purge is "yes the Old Bolsheviks deserved to die, and I hope they burn in hell." Grover Furr is super good.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Grover Furr is super good.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Stalin also ruled Russia for 30 years, and a lot of the higher estimates count Russians who died to Nazi invasion as literal Stalin victims stalin killed a lot of nazis
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Grover Furr's estimates aren't that terrible, but he literally believes that Stalin Did Nothing Wrong, so everyone who died either a) had it coming, or b) was killed by a nefarious conspiracy of Stalin's underlings to undermine communist rule in the USSR, and sainted Stalin had nothing to do with it and surely would have stopped it if only he had known. The tldr for this piece on the Great Purge is "yes the Old Bolsheviks deserved to die, and I hope they burn in hell." lol i had no idea grover furr was a somebody
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he is literally known as "that weird communist guy" to a lot of people where i live
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anime was right posted:he is literally known as "that weird communist guy" to a lot of people where i live If you want you can read a thread about that weird communist guy: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3769585&pagenumber=1 I didn't know that tankies existed before then, I thought they were something rightists had made up.
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like im pretty sure i straight up seen that dude buying tomatoes at shoprite more than once
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my favorite Grover Furr-ism is that he takes the "confessions" from show trials at face value, so they clearly exonerate Stalin, because those people were definitely guilty or they wouldn't have confessed! 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Fascism & Japanese militarism is at least responsible for 70 million deaths between 1933-1945 which I think is the time trial world record. Hutus Vs Tutsis was v quick if we are just talking a militarily unnecessary extermination
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JFairfax posted:Hutus Vs Tutsis was v quick if we are just talking a militarily unnecessary extermination The Hutu Power Movement is close enough to a Nazi ideology imo.
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Does Stalin have a huge unnecessary body count? Yes. But was he responsible for all those deaths? Also yes. But was he REALLY responsible for all those deaths? Well... I think the jury's out on that one.
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anime was right posted:he is literally known as "that weird communist guy" to a lot of people where i live hahaha just lol forever if u aint "that weird communist guy" where u live
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I like to go back to this Exile article whenever the argument pops up as to how many Victims Of Communism there may or may not have been. Basically, the Russians themselves not caring about the body count puts a bit of a crimp on westerners whenever they claim that they do.
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Jul 4, 2017 11:53
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Ed Balls and Terry Dicks should have teamed up.
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The glimmer of hope re. the careerists is that, as Mark Blyth put it, they go where the votes go. I've no doubt that there are some die hard neoliberals out there but if social democratic & even socialist policies can be shown to popular and actually win elections that will do a whole lot of good to get the technocrats on board.
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Jul 4, 2017 12:48
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cop show following the detectives of the obscene publications squad plz
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he is going to be such an amazingly bad chancellor lmao
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bring back jones as a dci, call it midsomer naughties
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papa_november posted:I like to go back to this Exile article whenever the argument pops up as to how many Victims Of Communism there may or may not have been. Only a few mass deaths are actually worth moralizing for purely political reasons, which is also why some degenerate Westerners today can squirt crocodile tears over the Red Terror while thinking the wrong side won WW2 and that gas chambers are funny.
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It's astounding how much Western leaders will kowtow to the Saudis, over and over again.
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They have to unless they can find a substitute for Oil
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rudatron posted:They have to unless they can find a substitute for Oil It is technically possible to transition energy systems to fully renewable, or at least renewable + national energy sources in a way that ends reliance upon Middle Eastern energy reserves. The only real barrier is political, and it's Western leaders' commitment to capitalism and the interests of the fossil fuels industry that makes us politically dependent on the whims of a degenerate class of slaveowning monarchists.
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rudatron posted:They have to unless they can find a substitute for Oil We already do it's the 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It is technically possible to transition energy systems to fully renewable, or at least renewable + national energy sources in a way that ends reliance upon Middle Eastern energy reserves. The only real barrier is political, and it's Western leaders' commitment to capitalism and the interests of the fossil fuels industry that makes us politically dependent on the whims of a degenerate class of slaveowning monarchists.
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rudatron posted:They have to unless they can find a substitute for Oil you can create methanol from sunshine http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/march/methanol-new-catalyst-030214.html check out Michael Gove's good twin brother lol  
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's astounding how much Western leaders will kowtow to the Saudis, over and over again. the only explanation is that if we stop they'll launch literal terror campaigns against us
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Kurtofan posted:the only explanation is that if we stop they'll launch literal terror campaigns against us
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Kurtofan posted:corbyn good, but venezuela and russia bad imo This is a good opinion.
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Kurtofan posted:the only explanation is that if we stop they'll launch literal terror campaigns against us their recent oil glut has more to do with it. Saudi can unilaterally mess with the global oil supply.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:their recent oil glut has more to do with it. Saudi can unilaterally mess with the global oil supply. we should nuke saudi arabia, imo
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Jose posted:we should nuke saudi arabia, imo but they have the orb first we must seize its power
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Jose posted:we should nuke saudi arabia, imo re-form the Army of the Potomac and liberate their slaves
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Hodgepodge posted:but they have the orb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U_CjuVNNHU
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Fallen Hamprince posted:he is going to be such an amazingly bad chancellor lmao yeah, bad....... for the bourgeoisie 
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jBrereton posted:It's because they buy our guns, a lot, more than the oil tbh. yeah you dont have bend over to the saudis like the us and the uk do to buy their oil. basically all of their foreign policy is based around the whims of the all important military industrial complex
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40496778 Cucked rear end government refuses to comment on obviously true report about Saudis funding UK terror, while also not publishing a report that their own government asked for because it might implicate the KSA lol
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