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Wamsutta posted:Is there a bigger bust of a 1OA than YakCity? gently caress, how far his stock done fell. I was going to say Volchkov but he was actually the 4th pick.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Someone post the Patrik Stefan empty net video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bBns6ZUn0U i love ray ferraro totally flipping out on stefan in the commentary
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Jul 5, 2017 00:25
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Someone post the Patrik Stefan empty net video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bBns6ZUn0U' e: 
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Jul 5, 2017 00:25
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That is my favourite Oilers hockey call ever. It also meant that the Blackhawks ended up with the 5th worst record and won the lottery for Patrick Kane.
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Jul 5, 2017 00:31
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Furnaceface posted:I was going to say Volchkov but he was actually the 4th pick. Wow, I remember that dude? 4th overall in 1996, right? Was that the same draft as Brendl?
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Jul 5, 2017 00:38
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Brendl was 1999 I think. Stefan had a legit career even if he was a dissapointment for his draft spot. Yak has never been as good a player as Stefan
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Jul 5, 2017 00:45
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what happened with lindberg? he was great when he put up, uh, 28 points, and now bad when he puts up 20? i guess in his first season he had like five goals in 3 games and then coasted off that?
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Jul 5, 2017 00:46
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All these scrub-rear end guys getting picked #1 are all the answer you need to morons whining about "oh but tanking" You don't always get Sid or Mario when you pick #1. Stop with this lottery poo poo or the even more ridiculous schemes people come up with
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Jul 5, 2017 00:56
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ElwoodCuse posted:All these scrub-rear end guys getting picked #1 are all the answer you need to morons whining about "oh but tanking" spoken like a true pens fan
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Jul 5, 2017 01:11
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ElwoodCuse posted:All these scrub-rear end guys getting picked #1 are all the answer you need to morons whining about "oh but tanking" they should just let the bad teams pick first, imo
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Jul 5, 2017 01:17
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ElwoodCuse posted:All these scrub-rear end guys getting picked #1 are all the answer you need to morons whining about "oh but tanking" When the Penguins did tank in both of those examples they knew what they were getting.
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Jul 5, 2017 01:23
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Levitate posted:Brendl was 1999 I think. Patrick Stefan ppg: .413 Yak City ppg: .411
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Aphrodite posted:When the Penguins did tank in both of those examples they knew what they were getting. It's amazing how they tanked in a draft year where the season was cancelled.  This was also the case in 2015 when Buffalo and Arizona both tanked to try and get McDavid. Thankfully, the tankers didn't win, and the worst team who wasn't tanking (Edmonton) did get him so all was right in the world.
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ElwoodCuse posted:All these scrub-rear end guys getting picked #1 are all the answer you need to morons whining about "oh but tanking" Forwards drafted first overall since Lemieux have averaged a career PPG of .867 and 6 out of those 23 have exceeded 1000 points (with Kane, McDavid and possibly Stamkos, Tavares and Matthews likely to get there). 3 players have had a career PPG less than .67 (Daigle, Stefan, Yakupov). If you want a very, very good forward selecting first overall (and by extension tanking to do so) is a very much the answer.
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Jul 5, 2017 01:44
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its gonna own when a team in playoff contention until the last week of the season wins a top 3 draft pick and everybody realizes this lottery system is dumb as hell too, in addition to still failing to prevent teams from selling off good players to stockpile draft picks and suck poo poo for a couple years
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Pornographic Memory posted:its gonna own when a team in playoff contention until the last week of the season wins a top 3 draft pick and everybody realizes this lottery system is dumb as hell too, in addition to still failing to prevent teams from selling off good players to stockpile draft picks and suck poo poo for a couple years all of the big teams spend enough to not get a decent lottery pick (canucks seemingly not counting here), so they're only ever going to see a huge jump in the draft and not the big fall or soul crushing agony of being one spot away from a generational player
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Jul 5, 2017 02:39
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Jeremy Jacobs won a case against the IRS to receive a tax deduction for the Bruins' meals prior to road games. Highlights include:quote:Senior Judge Robert Paul Ruwe observed: quote:Judge Ruwe must be a die-hard hockey fan, because he does a play-by-play, with pictures, descriptions and accounts, of every away-day event, from boarding the plane the night before to the moment when the announcer at the away arena shouts “And now, the starting line-up for the Boston Bruins” accompanied by the “horrid shapes, and shrieks, and sights unholy” of the home team fans. It's too bad the judge didn't actually write that.
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Jul 5, 2017 02:55
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hifi posted:what happened with lindberg? he was great when he put up, uh, 28 points, and now bad when he puts up 20? i guess in his first season he had like five goals in 3 games and then coasted off that? where are you getting any of that from other than the point totals? he was really good when he got fully healthy last year and was one of the rangers' better players down the stretch and into the playoffs. rangers fans didn't want to lose him in the expansion draft
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Jul 5, 2017 03:23
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Wasn't there an infamous Penguins-Devils tankduel for Lemieux that went down to the wire?
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Hockey is one of those sports where one player alone can't make that drastic of a difference to one team. Tanking is the most effective way to get yourself at worst what, a fifth overall pick (?) who will help you down the line, but as the Oilers showed before McDavid it's not enough to offset terrible management. Same can be said for the NFL. The MLB is a little different in how the farm system is almost mandatory. The NBA is probably the greatest example of a league where you need a lottery given the smaller roster size and ability to be on the court for a higher percentage of the game. Tanking is only kind of a problem, but the league will only intervene if they can find a way to make more money by doing so. We clamor for a three point system in standings, but it'll never happen because it drags out the amount of time and number of teams in the playoff hunt and allows them to market it as such. If they figure out how to make draft picks a marketable event (whether they did the idea of eliminated teams gaining points to bank toward the lottery with each win post elimination or god forbid a losers bracket tournament), the owners will do it.
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Jul 5, 2017 03:34
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McDavid literally turned that team around himself.
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Well him and Cam Talbot but ya.
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Erik Karlsson dragged his worthless piece of poo poo team to the ecf. one player can certainly carry a team
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Jul 5, 2017 03:43
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Connor turned around the oilers by forcing Katz to hire an actual coach and an actual manager etc
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Aphrodite posted:McDavid literally turned that team around himself. McDavid put them over the edge but say he went to a team that didn't also have five top seven picks in the previous five years. It's not like he alone could drag say Arizona into the playoffs.
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Schremp Howard posted:McDavid put them over the edge but say he went to a team that didn't also have five top seven picks in the previous five years. It's not like he alone could drag say Arizona into the playoffs. i dunno, i don't think any nhl team is so bad mcdavid couldn't get them in the playoffs. maaaaybe colorado
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the talent deficit posted:i dunno, i don't think any nhl team is so bad mcdavid couldn't get them in the playoffs. maaaaybe colorado Gretzky scored 130 pts in 94 and won the Art Ross and the Kings still missed.
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the talent deficit posted:i dunno, i don't think any nhl team is so bad mcdavid couldn't get them in the playoffs. maaaaybe colorado Put McDavid as the 1C, give Duchene and Landeskog less TOI and put the D under less "giveaway pressure". Varlamov goes back to "Vezina calibre" and the Avs romp back into contention. The Avs weren't that far away, they just needed to move in the opposite direction to the one they moved in.
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Aphrodite posted:McDavid literally turned that team around himself. Pretty much considering just about every move Chiarelli makes is moronic e: Jordan7hm posted:Gretzky scored 130 pts in 94 and won the Art Ross and the Kings still missed. I think the way the league is now though it's tough to see Crosby or Mcdavid not being able to get most teams into the playoffs.
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Schremp Howard posted:Hockey is one of those sports where one player alone can't make that drastic of a difference to one team. Tanking is the most effective way to get yourself at worst what, a fifth overall pick (?) who will help you down the line, but as the Oilers showed before McDavid it's not enough to offset terrible management. Same can be said for the NFL. The MLB is a little different in how the farm system is almost mandatory. The NBA is probably the greatest example of a league where you need a lottery given the smaller roster size and ability to be on the court for a higher percentage of the game.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:That still sounds like you're saying that it's the second most superstar driven of the North American ones, which is true. As someone that only seriously follows the NHL and casually the NBA, I'd be curious to hear the compare/contrast vs. the MLB and NFL in terms of superstar-drivenness. I think you can leave the NBA off the table entirely since it's so extreme on the superstar spectrum.
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Jordan7hm posted:Gretzky scored 130 pts in 94 and won the Art Ross and the Kings still missed. Short season, but in 2012-2013 Martin St Louis and Stamkos went 1-2 in the league with 60 and 57 points, and tampa went 18-26-4 and 27th in the league. e: their goalies averaged 0.903 that season, compare that to price averaging 0.923+ and their top 2 scorers being 28th and 71st in the league. A great goalie can carry a team. A great skater can't even overcome a bad goalie. Powershift fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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a false posted:where are you getting any of that from other than the point totals? he was really good when he got fully healthy last year and was one of the rangers' better players down the stretch and into the playoffs. rangers fans didn't want to lose him in the expansion draft sorry, i just remember the coyotes getting poo poo on for trading him and then never really heard anything after that until he went to vegas and re-signed with them
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:As someone that only seriously follows the NHL and casually the NBA, I'd be curious to hear the compare/contrast vs. the MLB and NFL in terms of superstar-drivenness. I think you can leave the NBA off the table entirely since it's so extreme on the superstar spectrum. I think the big thing is that it's possible to take away the ball from a superstar in the nfl or the mlb. you can intentionally walk people, intentionally give guys a day off during a ace pitcher's start, double team wide receivers, etc, but in hockey you can pretty much always get the puck to connor mcdavid unless you are making a calculated decision while defending a powerplay. and then in terms of being on offense, there's a possession advantage for the nba, nhl, and nfl, from most to least, where having the ball lets you dictate what you are doing with the ball. you can straight up run picks in the nba to force a switch so your superstar ball handler is attacking the worst player on defense, which you can kind of do in the nhl on a power play, but at the botton of the totem pole is the mlb where you're just rolling the dice when you make contact with the ball.
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Jul 5, 2017 04:56
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 that value reassessment of David Desharnais at 1 mil by the Rangers. What were the Habs paying him again cause I'm pretty sure it was a gently caress ton more.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:18
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Desharnais' contract was fine when he signed it and for most of its length.
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Kale posted:
3.5 mil. Davey Breakfast really has fallen off the cliff though.
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hifi posted:what happened with lindberg? he was great when he put up, uh, 28 points, and now bad when he puts up 20? i guess in his first season he had like five goals in 3 games and then coasted off that? It took him some time to get back to 100% this season after having surgery on both hips. In his first year, he was a bit more sheltered and given some softer minutes, and he played a lot with some offensively-inclined forwards, like Hayes/Stalberg/Miller. He averaged over 12m TOI that year, but under 11m his second. His role on the team was almost entirely limited to being on the fourth line, and AV trusted him a lot more defensively, often deploying him with Fast - who he had some great chemistry with. He was also the last priority for creating line chemistry, in large part due to Grabner being a beast on the third line, most often with Hayes and Miller. He's a good and responsible two-way center who could probably find his way into any role in Vegas. Given more ice time, he could put up 30-35p in 15m/g at even strength, and given power play time, he's OK, but won't be putting up huge numbers as the one thing he lacks is top end offensive talent. Good player, good opportunity, but likely to put up point totals in the 30s, or in the 40s if he's on the power play full time. He'll put up a decent total unless he continues playing 11m/night or misses a lot due to injury... or maybe if his Vegas linemates are really bad. Zodijackylite fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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violent sex idiot posted:Erik Karlsson dragged his worthless piece of poo poo team to the ecf. one player can certainly carry a team I wanna know what drugs they put him on after game 4 vs the Rangers because he looked absolutely done. Then suddenly he's back and being the best player in the NHL
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Levitate posted:I wanna know what drugs they put him on after game 4 vs the Rangers because he looked absolutely done. Then suddenly he's back and being the best player in the NHL The anti pain drugs NHLers have access to are really fuckin' good
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