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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i can confirm that all flavors of tron are a Good Matchup for Ponza *ahem* L0cke17 posted:I'm feeling super apathetic after the miracles banning. None of the other control decks I've tried are nearly as fun or interesting. I've gone back to dabbling in Pyromancer decks, but I just can't bring myself to care about legacy at all when it feels like I wasted years of my life learning a deck that got banned. I need something to enjoy the format with again. Any suggestions? Hi, welcome to the RUG Delver bracket. Nice to finally have someone else here. Give up. The consensus at my store is that legacy is really bad now so we just play commander. Let that sink in.
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C-Euro posted:Thoughtseize is way too prevalent in the rest of the format for a ban, and I don't think Wizards would ban a card that would affect things beyond the problem deck (though there have been exceptions, RIP Eye of Ugin). It would be like if Burn got too good and then they decided to ban Bolt. E: Voyager's example is better. If anything puts tulle deck over the top, that isn't played in any other list it's: Stubborn Denial.
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Jabor posted:You don't see anyone calling for a Birds of Paradise ban though. Well, yeah, "one mana planeswalker" and all... but in modern t2 lily, then just grinding out your opponent based around their discards with DRS / Lily going to work is pretty backbreaking against a lot of decks. Elyv posted:Iirc it was designed for standard, where it was a good but fair card. I think you're right - wasn't the design to keep reanimator / snapcaster / flashback in check? I was googling trying to find one of those development articles where they share the revisions for / discussions about the cards in playtesting because I swear I saw one about DRS, but I can't seem to find it. I did find a hilarious article by Sam Stoddard from May of 2015 though, my favorite bit below quote:Will we get it wrong from time to time? For sure. Our goal for Standard is only having to ban a card in Standard about once every ten years. It's not a zero percentage chance, but it's pretty low. We don't have any such stated goals for Modern, but we hope to get to a point where we don't need to ban cards with any regular frequency. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/development-risks-modern-2015-05-22
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myDad posted:Just want to congratulate everyone on making it to page 69 Nice.
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suicidesteve posted:*ahem* What, do you play U Tron?
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TVsVeryOwn posted:What, do you play U Tron? It's what I'm known for.
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Elyv posted:Iirc it was designed for standard, where it was a good but fair card. There were no fetches in that standard, naturally. DRS and LotV were two cards that really hit older formats much more than standard. They were exactly what development was trying to do: hit older formats without destroying standard. I could see them banning Wraith next January. Grixis Shadow now is like a super fast version of Modern Grixis Control and Delver.
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Mezzanon posted:If anything puts tulle deck over the top, that isn't played in any other list it's: Stubborn Denial. Ugh. Shut up. This is the best card in the deck. Don't tell WotC. I feel like banning this would hurt blue so badly for years to come, and I feel like its hard enough to find opportunity to counterspell things in many formats; there's a significant demographic of players who only enjoy playing counterspell decks, lets not chase them off.
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Stubborn Denial is wildly unplayable in decks that aren't also playing 1 or 2 mana 4/X creatures. Also lol @ calling Death's Shadow a counterspell deck.
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It's not a counterspell deck, but it sure counters a lot of spells. Especially against Eldrazi Tron post sideboard. I like Stubborn Denial around as an option for all kinds of different blue based creature decks. Stubborn with Goyf is something that should be an option available as well. A ban like Street Wraith if they decide GDS is necessitating a ban seems much better for not nerfing the amount of options in the format.
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Happy to post on this page.suicidesteve posted:
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They shouldn't ban anything from Death's Shadow except Death's Shadow. It's like Grapeshot, it's not going to get played unless it's able to be broken. If they don't ban DS then every time they print a black value card that costs life, they'll have to consider the impact it'll have in DS decks. If they really want it gone, then just ban it and don't take out half the format to get there.
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L0cke17 posted:I'm feeling super apathetic after the miracles banning. None of the other control decks I've tried are nearly as fun or interesting. I've gone back to dabbling in Pyromancer decks, but I just can't bring myself to care about legacy at all when it feels like I wasted years of my life learning a deck that got banned. I need something to enjoy the format with again. Any suggestions? may I recommend W/r Parfait?
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:may I recommend W/r Parfait? I don't own enough moats! At least to play the 4 moat version.
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L0cke17 posted:I'm feeling super apathetic after the miracles banning. None of the other control decks I've tried are nearly as fun or interesting. I've gone back to dabbling in Pyromancer decks, but I just can't bring myself to care about legacy at all when it feels like I wasted years of my life learning a deck that got banned. I need something to enjoy the format with again. Any suggestions? That's because all other control decks are garbage and you need to just play lands.
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Shovelmint posted:Ugh. Shut up. This is the best card in the deck. Don't tell WotC. I feel like banning this would hurt blue so badly for years to come, and I feel like its hard enough to find opportunity to counterspell things in many formats; there's a significant demographic of players who only enjoy playing counterspell decks, lets not chase them off. As soon as I saw the first list playing Stubborn Denial all I could think was "this is what this deck does now" a 1-mana (essentially) hard counter. It's the reason for Grixis over Jund, and it is definitely the card that is secretly the best card in the deck.
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Snappy is pretty nuts in the deck too.
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Mezzanon posted:As soon as I saw the first list playing Stubborn Denial all I could think was "this is what this deck does now" a 1-mana (essentially) hard counter. It's the reason for Grixis over Jund, and it is definitely the card that is secretly the best card in the deck. It would be less hosed up if there were more creatures that could compete with the bodies that Grixis Shadow throws down, but when the 1-mana 4/5 value engine is your weakest creature there aren't a whole lot of problems that Stubborn Denial can't solve.
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Voyager I posted:It would be less hosed up if there were more creatures that could compete with the bodies that Grixis Shadow throws down, but when the 1-mana 4/5 value engine is your weakest creature there aren't a whole lot of problems that Stubborn Denial can't solve. Realistically if they were to ban a card street wraith should go. An enabler that replaces itself and speeds the deck up. I'm not for banning anything but if they do that's the enabler right there. I also wouldn't mind just getting rid of every delve card. It's a busted mechanic.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Realistically if they were to ban a card street wraith should go. An enabler that replaces itself and speeds the deck up. I'm not for banning anything but if they do that's the enabler right there. Except tombstalker. That card was sweet and not broken for years. The ones that cost 1 may have been a bit of a mistake.
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Alright which one of you is this- https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-marvelous-dragonstorm-modern
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C-Euro posted:Alright which one of you is this- That man's voice is the equivalent of this: 
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The Sexual Shiite posted:That man's voice is the equivalent of this: Didn't know they had updated The Big Book of British Smiles. Don't ban anything from death's shadow yet please.
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Just ban every Khans delve card that isn't Murderous Cut in every format. Or just ban Khans in every format. Didn't do anything good anywhere.
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Ban all formats that aren't Vintage or Cube Draft.
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suicidesteve posted:Just ban every Khans delve card that isn't Murderous Cut in every format. please don't ban set adrift
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will of the naga did nothing wrong
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:please don't ban set adrift Just play Commit // Memory and Torrential Gearhulk like a real man.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:please don't ban set adrift Please show me a list that plays set adrift and is good. I love taking away people's draws. Plow under is the best cube card.
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eSporks posted:Ban all formats that aren't Vintage  But I also like EDH and Modern and sometimes even Standard, and also drafting.
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Shovelmint posted:Please show me a list that plays set adrift and is good. I love taking away people's draws. Plow under is the best cube card. i mean im not going to go look it up but UR Delver in legacy plays it every now and again to answer chalice or leyline or other random poo poo that is bad for them, which is basically any resolved permanent if you meant modern grixis death's shadow then i have no idea, i only play joke decks in that dumb format
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Shovelmint posted:Please show me a list that plays set adrift and is good. I love taking away people's draws. Plow under is the best cube card. I run it in the SB of my Mill deck as a catch-all answer to tricky permanents (like Chalice), since I'm milling myself a fair amount with Mesmeric Orb too. Plus you can be a prick and Set Adrift something and then mill right afterwords to bin the card in question. Now, "is good"? Depends on who you ask.
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Its your best answer to a Leyline of Sanctity as mill, yeah
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I like commander because you get to do stupid things like cast Purphoros then cast Rise of the Dark Realms and do 28 to everybody.
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I liked commander before my playgroup got more competitive. Kiki-Jiki does a bunch of cool, fun things when he isn't just winning the game the moment he gets chorded out.
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The largest issue with commander is if you have enough people to play edh why aren't you running cube instead
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suicidesteve posted:I like commander because you get to do stupid things like cast Purphoros then cast Rise of the Dark Realms and do 28 to everybody. I always liked playing porporopphphoss and then dumping everything into marath and making a billion dudes with gaias cradle.
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Pontius Pilate posted:The largest issue with commander is if you have enough people to play edh why aren't you running cube instead Because getting people to spend 4 hours cubing is a lot harder than getting them to spend 30-40 minutes on a game of commander.
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