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Sharks Eat Bear posted:As someone that only seriously follows the NHL and casually the NBA, I'd be curious to hear the compare/contrast vs. the MLB and NFL in terms of superstar-drivenness. I think you can leave the NBA off the table entirely since it's so extreme on the superstar spectrum. MLB is on the other extreme end, where you can very easily have baseball's version of Crosby or LeBron (Mike Trout) on your team and still suck, for an obvious reason: a baseball player can only ever impact at most ~18% of the play. (A position player only gets a touch more than 1/9 of the at-bats, and only gets more than 1/9 of the defensive plays if he plays an up the middle position). Compare to ~33% for NHL forwards or ~45% for defensemen, 50% for NFL quarterbacks (the only player directly involved in every offensive play) or 85% for NBA players. In the NFL quarterbacks are far far more important than anyone else and this is borne out both by how often the championship teams have elite quarterbacks and by how much they're paid. e: the 50% figure undersells the importance of quarterbacks because they have such a huge responsibility to read defenses, adjust plays at the line, etc., and because a turnover is massively more harmful to your team in a game wherein you get 12 possessions rather than 80 like basketball or hockey, plus a football game involves only about 10-12 scoring events on average, versus 5-6 for hockey and ~100 for basketball. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Trout >>> Crosby NHL salaries should mimic the NBA wherein a small group of good players get a ton of money and everyone else is basically interchangeable and paid minimally. Roster fillers in the NHL are seriously overpaid. Also Bryan Berard was awesome and really fun to watch, and so was Oleg Tverdovsky. God bless fast defensemen.
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bewbies posted:Trout >>> Crosby This is a ludicrous statement even accounting for the fact that it's not Trout's fault that the Angels suck
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ElwoodCuse posted:This is a ludicrous statement even accounting for the fact that it's not Trout's fault that the Angels suck Actually you will find it is quite accurate if you dig a little deeper. Mike Trout Good
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Mike Trout is generationally good but so is Crosby plus Sid has Cups baby. Trout might have the same war as Mickey Mantle or whatever but he doesn't have the rings. And I bet he doesn't even dunk his donuts.
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After taking a look at Marleau's stats over the last 3 years, he has not been especially good. Scoring rates peg him at a low-end second liner/good third liner getting largely undeserved first line minutes. He spent a bunch of time on the PK and was near league-worst in GA and CA/60 - almost as bad as Hyman, who has a completely undeserved reputation as a great PKer. Last season he barely managed to produce at a better rate than Komarov and Brown on the PP. I was totally on board with doing the needful to get Hyman off the top line, but now I'm a little concerned. Also, Jeremy Roenick has led me to believe that his intangibles aren't very tangible.
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I don't know about basketball but I think the non elite players in the NHL are not exactly all interchangeable. There is definitely a skill gap between good desirable 3rd liners and plug in players on the 3rd line.
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Ginette Reno posted:Mike Trout is generationally good but so is Crosby plus Sid has Cups baby. Trout might have the same war as Mickey Mantle or whatever but he doesn't have the rings. And I bet he doesn't even dunk his donuts. The cups is a good point but on the other hand Trout should've won 5 MVPs in his first 5 seasons and was robbed by old baseball men. In any case I think we can all agree that they are both totally uninteresting sports robots.
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Ginette Reno posted:Mike Trout is generationally good but so is Crosby plus Sid has Cups baby. Trout might have the same war as Mickey Mantle or whatever but he doesn't have the rings. And I bet he doesn't even dunk his donuts. Mike Trout doesn't even have the individual accomplishments Ovechkin does, who similarly has no championships and it's not his fault
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Crosby isn't even the best player in the sport right now
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eXXon posted:After taking a look at Marleau's stats over the last 3 years, he has not been especially good. Scoring rates peg him at a low-end second liner/good third liner getting largely undeserved first line minutes. He spent a bunch of time on the PK and was near league-worst in GA and CA/60 - almost as bad as Hyman, who has a completely undeserved reputation as a great PKer. Last season he barely managed to produce at a better rate than Komarov and Brown on the PP. When you think about it, Marleau's intangibles are actually perfectly suited to the Maple Leafs. Who else could better inculcate into the young ones the experience of spending your whole career playing for a blue team that, despite any hype surrounding them, manages to disappoint year after year?
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ElwoodCuse posted:Mike Trout doesn't even have the individual accomplishments Ovechkin does, who similarly has no championships and it's not his fault Mike Trout is more about the overall package than any one thing he does. His value is off the charts because he steals bases at an efficient rate, slugs well, hits for average well, walks a lot, and is an awesome fielder. He's not necessarily gonna lead the league in any one category but he's really fuckin good at everything. Not even sure there is a good hockey equivalent for that. Datsyuk or Bergeron I suppose, but Trout is much more valuable than even they are. e: But seeing as this is the hockey thread I will demur and agree that him and Crosby are uninteresting sports robots but I guess that's why they are so good
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eXXon posted:After taking a look at Marleau's stats over the last 3 years, he has not been especially good. Scoring rates peg him at a low-end second liner/good third liner getting largely undeserved first line minutes. He spent a bunch of time on the PK and was near league-worst in GA and CA/60 - almost as bad as Hyman, who has a completely undeserved reputation as a great PKer. Last season he barely managed to produce at a better rate than Komarov and Brown on the PP. Unlike Hyman, Marleau is almost a sure bet to get progressively (some might even say horrifically) worse over the length of his contract!
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If you put Lebron James on the worst NBA team they would instantly be a serious playoff team, given that in important games he can be on the court > 90% of the time If you put Sidney Crosby on the worst NHL team, I don't think the same happens (although there's not as big a difference in win % between the best and worst teams in NHL and NBA, since the NBA is statistically the most predictable sport)
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SpiritOfSanDimas posted:If you put Lebron James on the worst NBA team they would instantly be a serious playoff team, given that in important games he can be on the court > 90% of the time Nah, the Knicks would still be bad.
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Matt Zerella posted:Nah, the Knicks would still be bad. The Knicks are a magical blackhole where only bad things are allowed to happen.
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Schlesische posted:The Knicks are a magical blackhole where only bad things are allowed to happen. There's a name for the black hole, its James Dolan. There's a reason the Rangers have had a resurgence and the Knicks haven't. That spoiled fucker keeps his hands off them.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Patrick Stefan ppg: .413 I think I was actually think about Daigle for some reason. He had a 10 year NHL career even if it was always a disappointment. They're all "bad" though
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https://twitter.com/byterryjones/status/882646301271142400 McDavid contract time. 
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Make no mistake: the Marleau contract is bad and is based entirely off of Team Canada nepotism and Veteran Leadership nonsense. Zach Hyman sucks out loud though, and outside of opportunity cost (which is large) the Leafs can afford it.
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Kilza posted:https://twitter.com/byterryjones/status/882646301271142400 "We were unable to reach an agreement"
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https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/882657196076433409 Clearly McDavid was moved by what David Staples wrote and demanded to take less money for the good of the team.
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I hope he took less money, but only a 1 year deal so he can torture EDM again next year.
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I just want to see McDavid offer sheeted
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iospace posted:I just want to see McDavid offer sheeted 
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Mcdavids gonna buy a ford 950 with a Ford 250 in the bed
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https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/882660825512775680 Cool, pretty decent deal IMO e: only downside is that he won't be ready to start the season because of surgery he had to have and will probably take a bit to get back up to speed :\
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I like the deal, can't do anything about the surgery so I'm just going to be glad we have him locked in
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That's a good deal for a good player.
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I'm very happy with that Fast deal.
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Is his name not fasth Edit: apparently his name is no longer fasth
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The Golden Man posted:Is his name not fasth You're thinking of Viktor Fasth.
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If looking at pictures of Brent Burns and Joe Thornton not wearing clothes is up your alley, the body issues also features the US Women's National Team Burns has some really lovely tats Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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A Typical Goon posted:Crosby isn't even the best player in the sport right now  I'll bite.Who is it McDavid has poo poo tons of potential, but is he the best
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Rotten Cookies posted:McDavid has poo poo tons of potential, but is he the best He just won the Hart and Pearson, so yes?
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yellowcar posted:You're thinking of Viktor Fasth. I hosed these two guys up for years
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Rotten Cookies posted:
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ThinkTank posted:He just won the Hart and Pearson, so yes? Couldn't even win a cup on western conference easy mode?
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