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MacheteZombie posted:Yeah all those days you have a boot on your throat choking you out with a spear ready to plunge into your heart as you plea for your life. He has a chance to say the full name afterwards. And even then, it doesn't matter. Batman has no idea who Martha Kent is or where she is. It's just a clumsy tool they are using to end the fight and quickly move the story along. That's why Lois has to run out of nowhere and confirm to Batman "It's his mother! His mom's name is Martha! Just like you!"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He has a chance to say the full name afterwards. And even then, it doesn't matter. Batman has no idea who Martha Kent is or where she is. It's just a clumsy tool they are using to end the fight and quickly move the story along. k
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Jul 5, 2017 15:24
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He stopped trying to kill him and Superman didn't even have to give up his identity, until Lois ruined it.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:25
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You're allowed to like bad movies and even good movies can have bad scenes. Even Affleck has said that the Martha scene is bad.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:29
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You're allowed to like bad movies and even good movies can have bad scenes. Thanks for the approval boss.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:32
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Lads, remember: both your mothers are named Martha.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:40
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zoux posted:Lads, remember: both your mothers are named Martha. Outside of very specific movie chat I think Leon is a pretty swell person tbh
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Jul 5, 2017 15:46
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MacheteZombie posted:Outside of very specific movie chat I think Leon is a pretty swell person tbh Same.  I'm just a jerk and like Batman a lot and wish he was in better movies.
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Jul 5, 2017 15:58
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Same. No worries, I've been hyper defensive about BvS in the past so I can understand my snark being off putting at times.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:00
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I'm just a jerk and like Batman a lot and wish he was in better movies. Batman Forever is still a great movie. Batman's never sat well with me without acknowledging a bit of camp and how silly the whole thing is.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:02
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Cythereal posted:Batman Forever is still a great movie. Batman's never sat well with me without acknowledging a bit of camp and how silly the whole thing is. There's a reason everyone loves Batman 66.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:03
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I like 66' and most of the Nolan Bat-movies. So, I'm pretty sure that I could enjoy just about any Batman movie tonally, if it were done well. The 90's Bat-movies were very bad overall, but I will always have a special place in my heart for Kiss From a Rose, Bat-Nipples, and Mr. Freeze puns.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:06
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I realized a while back that every single version of Batman has at least one thing about it that is great and extremely true to the character and the world he's in. Whether it's visuals, music, a single line, every one of them has something to add.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:11
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I just want the Batfleck solo movie to get out of development hell and be good. I really liked Batfleck; despite thinking BvS was okay and mostly forgettable. I'm not a huge fan of Henry Cavill as Superman, but I enjoyed MoS a lot more than Batfleck's intro movie. 95% of Batfleck was great (and I don't particularly care that he killed people or not), so as long as the Batfleck solo movie can build off that I'm sold. The only bad thing I can say about Batfleck is that I can never forget the scene where he flings a crate with his grappling hook and it looks like a floating cardboard box that defies gravity. That's not really his fault, though.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:21
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I was reading a report about Batfleck the other day and apparently Matt Reeves wants to do a very noir type Batman movie and he sees parallels between Batman and Caesar (from Reeves' Apes film). I'm excited to see what Reeves does.
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purple death ray posted:I realized a while back that every single version of Batman has at least one thing about it that is great and extremely true to the character and the world he's in. Whether it's visuals, music, a single line, every one of them has something to add. 66 - Camp, villains Burton - Visuals, music BTAS - Noir, Alfred Schumacher - Camp (again), one-liners Nolan - Gadgets, GCPD, Gordon Batfleck - "Batman is kind of a loving idiot"
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Jul 5, 2017 16:46
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Big Mean Jerk posted:66 - Camp, villains Batfleck is a great looking Batman. The costume is great, the fight scene is great, the gadgets all look great. Justice League isn't out yet but "I'm real when it's useful" is such a fantastic Batman line. The scene where he is perched in the corner hiding from the cop is also great. His Batmobile is pretty cool but would be much better if it had the Arkham Knight style bat tire treads.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:66 - Camp, villains For Schumaker I'd also point to the awesome insane gothic landscapes and stage design.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:58
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Forever has some great set design and B&R has some of the most fun villains ever, Bane excluded. Forever also has Kiss From A Rose.
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Henry Cavill certainly looks the part for Superman. It's a shame he doesn't have the red underwear on the outside, though. That's the main thing I've disliked about his costume (in BvS anyway - I didn't really like it in MoS because it was too grey for me - it was bluer in BvS). What role in the DCEU was it that Warner Bros. or whoever wanted Armie Hammer for? Was it Superman or Batman? I watched The Lone Ranger recently (I think it's the most Jerry Bruckheimer movie ever produced but in retrospect it has some really cool-looking action setpieces) and it occurred to me that there's been more than one attempt to turn him into an action leading man (see also: The Man From U.N.C.L.E. remake which Cavill was also in*). * It's a shame Cavill - being Superman - will probably never play James Bond.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What role in the DCEU was it that Warner Bros. or whoever wanted Armie Hammer for? Was it Superman or Batman? I believe he was the Batman in the aborted George Miller Justice League film. Yhese days, the Tock is making comments about wanting him to play Shazam.
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Jul 5, 2017 17:17
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MacheteZombie posted:There's a reason everyone loves Batman 66. The whole idea is that a grown man dresses up like a giant bat to fight criminals. I've never seen a version of Batman that passed the straight face test for me, and I think Batman works better when the setting tacitly acknowledges that this whole thing is a little or a lot silly.
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Jul 5, 2017 18:17
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Batman is such a versatile character that you can put him into pretty much any setting and he will work. Horror? Check. Action? Check. Noir? Check. Camp? Check Comedy? Check Romance? Check And the best thing is, no matter which angle you go with, there's probably a comic book issue you can find inspiration from! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GOt9-M5Pdc
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zoux posted:Honestly, it's not a bad idea to have Batman realize that Superman has a mom, an earthly upbringing, and a relatable connection. It's just that "you're killing Martha" is about the clumsiest, least organic way to do it. I feel like this is the opinion of everyone worth listening to. The idea behind it is good. The execution is terrible. There's a lot of that in MoS and BvS and Suicide Squad. I believe that to be why those films are all pretty divisive (except SS hilariously enough). If you look at the idea behind it and forgive the execution, you're likely to lean more favorably. If you skip over the idea and focus on the execution, you're likely to lean to the other side. I think that's how I actually really didn't like MoS, found BvS to be painfully ok, and actually liked Suicide Squad despite thinking they're about equal in quality.
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It's also shot in the foot by the fact that ten minutes earlier Batman is taunting Superman and says "I bet your parents taught you you were special", like he's already realized that Superman has parents and all that, so literally it has to be the fact that they're both named Martha
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The whole "Martha" scene feels like someone was really married to the idea of "Oh, my God, their mothers have the same name! We gotta do something with that!" and insisted on cramming it in because they thought it was super clever.
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Jul 5, 2017 22:29
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Aping WHM, the Martha Manhunters
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Wheat Loaf posted:Henry Cavill certainly looks the part for Superman. It's a shame he doesn't have the red underwear on the outside, though. That's the main thing I've disliked about his costume (in BvS anyway - I didn't really like it in MoS because it was too grey for me - it was bluer in BvS). It's probably cliched in hindsight now but as flawed as the Man from U.N.C.L.E. was, I thought it was pretty fun and really drew a contrast as to Cavill as directed/playing Superman vs Napoleon Solo. He was as charming as his Supes/CK was dour, really showed what could've been, more of the uplifting Christopher Reeves-type.
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Phylodox posted:The whole "Martha" scene feels like someone was really married to the idea of "Oh, my God, their mothers have the same name! We gotta do something with that!" and insisted on cramming it in because they thought it was super clever. Pretty much. It's not a bad idea to have that shared connection but they didn't put the groundwork in for it. "S-save my mother... Martha..." or something would have worked a lot better, him revealing her identity and begging him and the name just being a coincidence instead of "Save Martha" which is an incredibly false-sounding line.
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sticksy posted:It's probably cliched in hindsight now but as flawed as the Man from U.N.C.L.E. was, I thought it was pretty fun and really drew a contrast as to Cavill as directed/playing Superman vs Napoleon Solo. He was as charming as his Supes/CK was dour, really showed what could've been, more of the uplifting Christopher Reeves-type. I liked Man From U.N.C.L.E. I'd put it on par with Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes movies, which I still like a great deal as well.* It's pretty clearly in the same line as a lot of other pictures like Dracula Untold or more recently The Mummy remake with Tom Cruise (among others) where there's been instructions at some stage that it has to be the springboard for a big blockbuster action franchise, but I think it does decently well as a Cold War spy adventure. And, quite frankly, if somebody wanted to make some kind of "Catch-all 1960s Action Show Shared Cinematic Universe" franchise with Lew Grade's ITC shows, the original Mission Impossible, Man From U.N.C.L.E., Wild Wild West etc. where Tom Hiddleston is John Steed, Emily Blunt is Emma Peel and Hugh Jackman is Jason King, I certainly wouldn't object. I love all that old silly stuff.  * It's recently occurred to me, though, that when you get down to it, they're not exactly Sherlock Holmes movies - they're Sexton Blake movies.
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Phylodox posted:The whole "Martha" scene feels like someone was really married to the idea of "Oh, my God, their mothers have the same name! We gotta do something with that!" and insisted on cramming it in because they thought it was super clever. They coulda had Superman mention his mother, and that would have been enough to get a reaction out of Batman. Then Batman's all "Hey what's your mom's name?" and Superman says "Martha" and Batman's like "Aww no poo poo that's my mom's name too!" Like have the emphasis on Superman being humanized to Batman instead of the name.
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Jamesman posted:They coulda had Superman mention his mother, and that would have been enough to get a reaction out of Batman. Then Batman's all "Hey what's your mom's name?" and Superman says "Martha" and Batman's like "Aww no poo poo that's my mom's name too!" Yeah, maybe they should have had Clark break down during that scene or something. Anguished in defeat, face in tears, while saying "You're letting Luthor kill my mother. Her name... is Martha... Kent. Find her. You can kill me, but Luthor will kill my mom either way. It makes no difference to him. You can kill me, but please, save her." Something to that effect, while showing Bruce having that same kind of reaction Anton Ego did in Ratatouille when he remembered when his mom used to make him ratatouille as a kid.
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teagone posted:Yeah, maybe they should have had Clark break down during that scene or something. Anguished in defeat, face in tears, while saying "You're letting Luthor kill my mother. Her name... is Martha... Kent. Find her. You can kill me, but Luthor will kill my mom either way. It makes no difference to him. You can kill me, but please, save her." this way better writing than the actual film. like no poo poo
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Wheat Loaf posted:And, quite frankly, if somebody wanted to make some kind of "Catch-all 1960s Action Show Shared Cinematic Universe" franchise with Lew Grade's ITC shows, the original Mission Impossible, Man From U.N.C.L.E., Wild Wild West etc. where Tom Hiddleston is John Steed, Emily Blunt is Emma Peel and Hugh Jackman is Jason King, I certainly wouldn't object. I love all that old silly stuff. I never knew how much I wanted this until now. Not sure I'd buy Hiddleston as Steed though.
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Jamesman posted:They coulda had Superman mention his mother, and that would have been enough to get a reaction out of Batman. Then Batman's all "Hey what's your mom's name?" and Superman says "Martha" and Batman's like "Aww no poo poo that's my mom's name too!" Given the movie's clear emphasis on fathers, Martha shouldn't have entered into it, really. They should have focused instead on Superman reaching out to Lois, and parallel that with Thomas Wayne's dying action of reaching out to the woman he loves. The scene is already pretty much set up that way.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I never knew how much I wanted this until now. Not sure I'd buy Hiddleston as Steed though. The only person I could think of who sort of looks like Macnee from the 60s is, erm, David Cameron.  Matt Smith could be Steed. That's just come to me. I'm just a huge Kim Newman fan who thinks up alternate versions of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen for fun (1970s/80s American action show League: led in the field by Scarecrow and Mrs King, their powerhouse is Jaime Sommers the Bionic Woman, their "M" is Laura Holt acting through Remington Steele) so I love the idea of shared universes even if most of them are a bit naff - especially these movie ones - because the cart always goes before the horse. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Henry Cavill certainly looks the part for Superman. It's a shame he doesn't have the red underwear on the outside, though. That's the main thing I've disliked about his costume (in BvS anyway - I didn't really like it in MoS because it was too grey for me - it was bluer in BvS). I swear I read that Cavill is still on the short list for the next James Bond.
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Wheat Loaf posted:The only person I could think of who sort of looks like Macnee from the 60s is, erm, David Cameron. Definitely need people who can do charming, absurd and funny effortlessly for the (OG) Avengers so I'd go with a combo of Kayvan Novak and Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Really struggling to think of any man alive worthy of being a new Jason King, tho.
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Rhyno posted:I swear I read that Cavill is still on the short list for the next James Bond. I have no doubt that Eon (or whoever makes it now) probably wants him; I'm pretty sure they've wanted him since 2005. But I'm mindful that no Bond has ever already been a reliable movie star when they were cast. The biggest name pre-Bond was Roger Moore and he was mainly known for his telly work; Pierce Brosnan was known, but again, mainly just for television, and Remington Steele had been done for close to 10 years by the time he actually got to play Bond (fun fact: apparently Broccoli went off Brosnan in the interim between Licence To Kill and GoldenEye and had shifted his attention to Liam Neeson instead). If Cavill is still making Supermans when Craig quits, I don't think he'd go over to be James Bond. But who knows? It was a long time ago when that was the way it was, and the movie landscape has changed, even since Casino Royale. Sentinel Red posted:Really struggling to think of any man alive worthy of being a new Jason King, tho. It's true, Wyngarde was and is one of a kind and put so much of himself into Jason King that it probably makes the character nearly impossible to recast.
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My mom's name is Martha, so that bvs scene really spoke to me
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