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gradenko_2000 posted:[New York Times Op-Ed] lmao these dumbfucks have learned nothing also quote:Candidates inspired by Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren and a host of well-funded groups have embraced sharply leftist ideas. who in the gently caress is he talking about with their well-funded groups? i hope we're not counting the billion dollars that was just wasted losing the presidential election
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I don't think the hordes of pundits, analysts, consultants and other parasites who were on the windfall side of that billion think it was wasted, and they are the ones writing this sort of revisionist history bullcrap.
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Serf posted:lmao these dumbfucks have learned nothing Not surprising a 1 percenter who lives in Manhattan wants New Democrats to control the direction of the party.
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Agean90 posted:i always love it when olds bring up jfk because he's very much the platonic ideal of a lovely centrist candidate. a nice face to look at that doesnt actually do all that much then gets shot in the face JFK was amazing by current-day standards because he was the last president who was an independent enough thinker to not listen to the blob when they wanted him to go to war (in his case, over the Cuban missile crisis).
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Agean90 posted:i always love it when olds bring up jfk because he's very much the platonic ideal of a lovely centrist candidate. a nice face to look at that doesnt actually do all that much then gets shot in the face Right? JFK gets a nice rap because he was indecisive enough to stumble into a solution during the Cuban Missile Crisis and because he was assassinated, but the only reason he got anything done (and marginally at that) was because earmarks and the Soviet Union still existed to allow for some legislation every now and then.
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i cant think of a better argument for a course of action than that mark penn thinks it's a bad idea
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JFK didn't stumble onto a solution during the crisis, he and his brother actively and effectively pursued a peaceful solution, against wishes of the military, and for that he deserves respect. I'm not confident today's centrists would have done the same.
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steinrokkan posted:JFK didn't stumble onto a solution during the crisis, he and his brother actively and effectively pursued a peaceful solution, against wishes of the military, and for that he deserves respect. I'm not confident today's centrists would have done the same. While I agree with you that today's centrists absolutely would have walked straight into a conflict with the USSR as they went along with The Establishment, my read of the Cuban Missile Crisis was that JFK didn't trust his advisers, which is why he waited (I'll refrain from saying "hesitated") long enough to let the situation develop through the teletype.
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It takes certain political courage rather than passiveness, imho, to defy advisers and let a crisis situation develop in a way that is clearly unpopular - as the Joint Chiefs endorsed war. According to all evidence, JFK and Bobby also did a lot to personally facilitate the exchange of communication between the White House, the Russian embassy, and Moscow.
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steinrokkan posted:It takes certain political courage rather than passiveness, imho, to defy advisers and let a crisis situation develop in a way that is clearly unpopular - as the Joint Chiefs endorsed war. According to all evidence, JFK and Bobby also did a lot to personally facilitate the exchange of communication between the White House, the Russian embassy, and Moscow. didnt follow it up by firing all the generals who advocated for nuclear war, typical centrists waffling
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i would want to fist fight mark penn if not for the fact he is one of the most physically repulsive people on the planet who probably smells like a mix of gas station grease trap and hai karate
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steinrokkan posted:Today in Poland, courtesy of the EE thread: The one time y'all have a good excuse for being like 99% completely white
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Shear Modulus posted:JFK was amazing by current-day standards because he was the last president who was an independent enough thinker to not listen to the blob when they wanted him to go to war (in his case, over the Cuban missile crisis). JFK advocated but couldn't get Medicare for All passed which makes he better than the current crop of bad dems. Also he started to plan to make to the moon and the massive amount of government spending on space had lots of side benefits.
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steinrokkan posted:I don't think the hordes of pundits, analysts, consultants and other parasites who were on the windfall side of that billion think it was wasted, and they are the ones writing this sort of revisionist history bullcrap. it's only history if no one else can remember it. political junkies ain't forgetting 2016 any time soon and normals aren't going to read this poo poo
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etalian posted:JFK advocated but couldn't get Medicare for All passed which makes he better than the current crop of bad dems. Wasn't JFK literally shot because nutcases thought he was a commie or somesuch?
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Truga posted:Wasn't JFK literally shot because nutcases thought he was a commie or somesuch? Oswald was a Commie, though. But 
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Mark Penn was a Clinton advisor for a decade, he also recommended that Hillary attack Obama on the fact that he's not a real American. Andrew Stein is a Democrat who voted for Trump
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Terror Sweat posted:Mark Penn was a Clinton advisor for a decade, he also recommended that Hillary attack Obama on the fact that he's not a real American. centrism I can believe in!
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gradenko_2000 posted:[New York Times Op-Ed] Hmm yes Obama's war on religion was a real thing, and not at all an over-hyped Republican talking point to pander to homophobes without mentioning 'gay marriage'
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Terror Sweat posted:Mark Penn was a Clinton advisor for a decade, he also recommended that Hillary attack Obama on the fact that he's not a real American. its time for the democrats to stop listening to guys who keep losing them elections
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Just lmao if you ever vote for the democrats again in your life
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comedyblissoption posted:iron stache needs to get coached fast b/c he falls apart here Venom get on it
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:fish hook theory looking solid here, joy supports the contras? The idea that it's bad and damning of Sanders that he seemed to appreciate when people supported him rather than disavowing every single one of them seems like a super hot Internet take, but I've actually heard someone say this in person IN WHICH an adult person freaks out to the point of hyperventilating to see Bernie Sanders receive credit for something he does; still considers self to be The Adult In The Room (also a lawyer, with a political science degree)
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I'm a racist who likes to get things done.
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Frijolero posted:I'm a racist who likes to get things done. I'm an extremely lazy egalitarian. I smell sitcom gold.
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because the dems werent bootlicky enough? i wonder if any of theose vets hate war now though
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Rand alPaul posted:Someone at the New York Times screwed up and interviewed Noam Chomsky. My goodness, the comments are extra salty on this one!
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Time for some game theory: What percentage of Democrats are bought by corporate interests and what percentage of them are just clueless imbeciles?
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Frijolero posted:Time for some game theory: All of them
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call to action posted:My goodness, the comments are extra salty on this one! I'm not surprised. Check this sick fire: Noam posted:Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond, instead of abandoning, the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period. Noam Chomsky is basically a Suck Zone poster. The dude fuckin' rules.
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etalian posted:JFK advocated but couldn't get Medicare for All passed which makes he better than the current crop of bad dems.
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Reviving the New Deal legacy? Wish this guy would collapse into mummy dust already, he is apparently senile.
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So, Chomsky blames Obama for not being sufficiently progressive? Doesn't he know what is going in Europe? Doesn't Chomsky know about the fact that people in Germany and France do not want either a radical leftist or radical rightist government but a government focusing on practicality? Oh, of course, Chomsky is so dogmatic that he does not think other people's views even worth being considered. So, he thinks Sanders should rule regardless of how PEOPLE want. It sounds so much like the philosophy of the Soviet Union dictatorship. Thanks God that Obama did not listen to the dogmatic radicals like Chomsky. If he had done, the U.S. economy would never have recovered, and millions of people would be not jobless. But a truely egoist like Chomsky does not care. All he cares is his own religion, which happens to be his ideology. Actually, I found Chomsky's views are the product of two religions: Judaism and Soviet-style socialism. Philosophically, Chomsky is really an old hat; he still believes in absolutism. He cannot bear anything to do with multiculturalism, globalism, relativism, pragmatism, and atheism. Chomsky totally distorted British empiricist philosophy, utilitarianism, and pragmatism. His understanding of these three philosophies is very wrong; it is just a typical example showing how one's ideological interest distorts good philosophy. Chomsky lives in the cold-war era.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:So, Chomsky blames Obama for not being sufficiently progressive? Doesn't he know what is going in Europe? Doesn't Chomsky know about the fact that people in Germany and France do not want either a radical leftist or radical rightist government but a government focusing on practicality? Oh, of course, Chomsky is so dogmatic that he does not think other people's views even worth being considered. So, he thinks Sanders should rule regardless of how PEOPLE want. It sounds so much like the philosophy of the Soviet Union dictatorship. Lmao is this a real comment
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