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Literally this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ
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you'd think with the amount of times some rear end in a top hat trying to solve public transportation forever just invents buses we'd get one person talking about their revolutionary idea to create housing by basically making dormitories for homeless people.
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Jul 4, 2017 07:50
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DC Murderverse posted:you'd think with the amount of times some rear end in a top hat trying to solve public transportation forever just invents buses we'd get one person talking about their revolutionary idea to create housing by basically making dormitories for homeless people. Homeowners and landlords are "against building more luxury housing for the rich", so even those don't get created.
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Jul 4, 2017 09:37
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A friend of a friend worked for Google and actually lived out of a van in the parking lot for like a year until they finally caught on and told him that the parking lot is not a house
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Jul 5, 2017 01:37
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Shugojin posted:A friend of a friend worked for Google and actually lived out of a van in the parking lot for like a year until they finally caught on and told him that the parking lot is not a house All he was doing was disrupting the housing paradigm.
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Jul 5, 2017 01:44
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Shugojin posted:A friend of a friend worked for Google and actually lived out of a van in the parking lot for like a year until they finally caught on and told him that the parking lot is not a house In regards to Silicon Valley you'll hear stories about people paying $700 a month to pitch a tent on somebody's porch or $900 a month to live in a crate in somebody's living room. The apartment I live in now would be like $5,000 a month there. More, possibly.
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Jul 5, 2017 02:10
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ToxicSlurpee posted:In regards to Silicon Valley you'll hear stories about people paying $700 a month to pitch a tent on somebody's porch or $900 a month to live in a crate in somebody's living room. I work with a guy who just escaped from the Bay Area, and he was paying $7000 a month to rent a 1000 sq. ft. home for his family of four. I can't even comprehend that. 
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Jul 5, 2017 02:23
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mycomancy posted:I work with a guy who just escaped from the Bay Area, and he was paying $7000 a month to rent a 1000 sq. ft. home for his family of four. I can't even comprehend that. The bay area is full of people who just don't want to move to hayward (I don't blame them, but even my brother's 1 br/1ba near uc berkeley was only 1500/mo).
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Jul 5, 2017 02:52
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Please don't tell the techbros about the East Bay, the only way us Cal grad students are hanging on is that they haven't yet realized that you can live in a nice big house right between downtown Berkeley and downtown Oakland for $1k a month if you take a couple roommates. Seriously, while the East Bay still has its own gentrification problems, I have no idea how they're not much worse when there are so many people right across the bay with much huger incomes who would pay half as much to live in places twice as big in a really neat area if they were willing to take a short BART ride into the city 
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k stone posted:willing to take a short BART ride into the city What, with the poor people? 
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k stone posted:Please don't tell the techbros about the East Bay, the only way us Cal grad students are hanging on is that they haven't yet realized that you can live in a nice big house right between downtown Berkeley and downtown Oakland for $1k a month if you take a couple roommates. That said, even (outer) Richmond and Sunset were not that terrible last time I looked (which, admittedly was a year ago or so). A long loving muni ride though.
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k stone posted:Please don't tell the techbros about the East Bay, the only way us Cal grad students are hanging on is that they haven't yet realized that you can live in a nice big house right between downtown Berkeley and downtown Oakland for $1k a month if you take a couple roommates. Er, most of those people work down in Silicon Valley itself. You can't take BART there from the East Bay.
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k stone posted:Seriously, while the East Bay still has its own gentrification problems, I have no idea how they're not much worse when there are so many people right across the bay with much huger incomes who would pay half as much to live in places twice as big in a really neat area if they were willing to take a short BART ride into the city the real problem isn't techbro incomes (they dont help) but rather the interaction of state regulations like prop 13 and local land use regulation like the scarcity of permittable dense development in the city of san francisco itself
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fishmech posted:Er, most of those people work down in Silicon Valley itself. You can't take BART there from the East Bay. A fair number of tech company / startup headquarters are in SF proper though. Also, you can simply transfer to CalTrain to get to the South Bay (which would be a rather long commute) or (god forbid) just use the money you save from moving out of SF to buy a car. I don't want this to turn into a whole thing with a derail where we all try to calculate out exactly how long the commutes to the Google campus are or something, so to be clear, I was merely offhandedly commenting that I am surprised that that "fair number" of tech jobs in SF proper is not enough to influence housing prices in the East Bay by causing people with larger incomes to move there East Bay to save on housing costs rather than paying $1000 a month to live in a crawl space in SF or whatever as people above me had mentioned. I do not have actual data to show whether that is because there aren't enough of those jobs in SF or because people with those jobs have not "discovered" the East Bay yet. If you do that'd be fascinating. boner confessor posted:the real problem isn't techbro incomes (they dont help) but rather the interaction of state regulations like prop 13 and local land use regulation like the scarcity of permittable dense development in the city of san francisco itself Yeah, I agree in terms of structural, long-term solutions. It would still be rather devastating to the lower-income folks in the East Bay in the short term though if a bunch of people with tech incomes suddenly moved there though -- the answer of course is less to try to keep them out and more to work on those long-term structural changes.
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Housing and real estate in the east bay absolutely has increased drastically already. The UC Berkeley campus bubble must be functioning particularly well, I guess?
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I am aware, as I noted in my first post. It is still a huge differential compared to SF and the expensive parts of the South Bay. I only expressed surprise that it hadn't equalized more yet, and dread that it soon will. e: Sorry, I didn't mean for a totally unnecessary derail from making fun of bad startups. No one cares about my worries about my own housing prices. k stone fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Jul 5, 2017 20:29
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http://twitter.com/shitshowdotinfo/status/882388792275079168
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/how-uber-may-have-improperly-taxed-its-drivers.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur Don't have time to read it atm, but thread-relevant.
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Jul 6, 2017 00:50
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so when is soylent going to start branching out to poopsocks
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reignonyourparade posted:so when is soylent going to start branching out to poopsocks https://twitter.com/jdl_werewolf/status/882390248101163008
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reignonyourparade posted:so when is soylent going to start branching out to poopsocks "Ourobourous" doesn't really lend itself very well to the "take out all the vowels" standard. e: Discendo Vox posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/how-uber-may-have-improperly-taxed-its-drivers.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur I know the answer is tech bro arrogance, but how do you run a business that sells goods and/or services and not consult with some lawyers about the sales tax laws where you do business
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Jul 6, 2017 01:15
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Shugojin posted:I know the answer is tech bro arrogance, but how do you run a business that sells goods and/or services and not consult with some lawyers about the sales tax laws where you do business Laws are for losers.
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There are literally studies that argue SF housing policy costs the US economy billions of dollars.
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My bar for eating and buying groceries is, "does this provide minimum nutrition so that I do not die".
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Laws are for losers. I guess. My company recently started selling alcohol and we consulted the heck out of some lawyers to be sure we were fully in sales tax and other rules compliance. (Since we are in PA and buy from distributors, the sales tax is collected at distributor level when we buy it and the product is not subject to the tax a second time  )
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Discendo Vox posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/how-uber-may-have-improperly-taxed-its-drivers.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur i'm now starting to suspect some sort of elaborate Producers-esque scheme to destroy Uber to make someone a lot of money. between shorting their drivers, creating an environment filled with sexism and harassment, and stealing trade secrets from an opponent, the end of Uber is a parody of itself.
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Jul 6, 2017 02:18
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k stone posted:A fair number of tech company / startup headquarters are in SF proper though. Also, you can simply transfer to CalTrain to get to the South Bay (which would be a rather long commute) or (god forbid) just use the money you save from moving out of SF to buy a car. Er I mean, judging on the fact that you think splitting up a house for $1000 a month rent a person is "cheap", and having taken a look at East Bay rent costs/potential house costs in general - It kinda looks like this all only seems cheap to you because the rest of the area costs so much more. I'd say that means your housing prices are already influenced quite a bit by all this. Edit: Like for perspective, in Philadelphia you can live 2 blocks from a subway station inside the city, in a nice spacious 6 bedroom/4 story rowhouse, and pay under $350 per person still. Not as good as how you could pull that for $100 a person a month back 10 years ago in the same areas because it was still too trashy, as long as you were willing to have some people share rooms, but still. fishmech fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Kim Jong Il posted:There are literally studies that argue SF housing policy costs the US economy billions of dollars. Can you link this?
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reignonyourparade posted:so when is soylent going to start branching out to poopsocks Reverent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrYzJDy3c38
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Shugojin posted:"Ourobourous" doesn't really lend itself very well to the "take out all the vowels" standard. Move fast, break things, disrupt the sales tax paradigm
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LinYutang posted:Can you link this? quote:The dearth of affordable housing options in superstar cities like New York, San Francisco and San Jose (home of Silicon Valley) costs the U.S. economy about $1.6 trillion a year in lost wages and productivity, according to a new analysis from economists Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago and Enrico Moretti of the University of California at Berkeley. The study, which journalists like The Economist’s Ryan Avent and Vox’s Tim Lee have written about, was made publicly available as a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper earlier this month. There's also this related one: http://newclimateeconomy.net/content/release-urban-sprawl-costs-us-economy-more-1-trillion-year quote:Urban sprawl costs the American economy more than US$1 trillion annually, according to a new study by the New Climate Economy. These costs include greater spending on infrastructure, public service delivery and transportation. The study finds that Americans living in sprawled communities directly bear an astounding $625 billion in extra costs. In addition, all residents and businesses, regardless of where they are located, bear an extra $400 billion in external costs. Correcting this problem provides an opportunity to increase economic productivity, improve public health and protect the environment.
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I don't understand why all these programmers that work down in the valley want to live in SF anyway. It's way cheaper to live closer to your office, saving you money and commute, and you can still go into SF to do stuff when you want to. I can't imagine most dorkuses who program computer would be comfortable participating in most of the poo poo that SF is known for to begin with (chinatown, homosexuals, etc).
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cis autodrag posted:I don't understand why all these programmers that work down in the valley want to live in SF anyway. It's way cheaper to live closer to your office, saving you money and commute, and you can still go into SF to do stuff when you want to. I can't imagine most dorkuses who program computer would be comfortable participating in most of the poo poo that SF is known for to begin with (chinatown, homosexuals, etc). Because face-to-face networking opportunities turn out to be super-useful in keeping one's career going. Even Wikimedia moved offices to SF specifically to tap into the best available techies, and it worked hugely well.
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cis autodrag posted:I don't understand why all these programmers that work down in the valley want to live in SF anyway. It's way cheaper to live closer to your office, saving you money and commute, and you can still go into SF to do stuff when you want to. As for the costs, SF is expensive, but living in MTV is...still pretty expensive. And the shuttle covers the commute cost, at least. quote:I can't imagine most dorkuses who program computer would be comfortable participating in most of the poo poo that SF is known for to begin with (chinatown, homosexuals, etc).
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I've found that the more negative stereotypes of techies/programmers/nerds, like poor hygiene, social ineptitude, and the like seem to become less common the higher up the career ladder you go. Someone making bank as a senior engineer at Facebook is a lot less likely to possess those stereotypical traits than, say, a computer janitor at a random non-tech company making a middling income. The really successful people tend to also be relatively well-rounded people. Like, I've been to PAX, I know that nerds smelling bad isn't a totally made-up thing. But working at Google, it's just not something I regularly encounter.
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Cicero posted:I've found that the more negative stereotypes of techies/programmers/nerds, like poor hygiene, social ineptitude, and the like seem to become less common the higher up the career ladder you go. Someone making bank as a senior engineer at Facebook is a lot less likely to possess those stereotypical traits than, say, a computer janitor at a random non-tech company making a middling income. The really successful people tend to also be relatively well-rounded people. It's not something I've encountered outside of the bay either. I suspect that public views of programmers are still colored by 90s stereotypes of nerd culture or Big Bang Theory. Programming isn't a fringe area of work for CS megadorks anymore, it's a fairly accessible vocation for anyone.
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Cicero posted:Then you would be wrong. I know this is D&D and a lot of posters here can barely control their raging hate-on for techies, but seriously, most people at Google are very socially liberal. Yes, they're also largely overachieving nerds, but for the most part they're not gonna have a problem with gay people or immigrants. They're the image that comes to mind whenever I hear "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."
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